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Dr. Tesla

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #210 on: October 10, 2008, 03:00:04 AM »
I see the  trash  has  come to  this thread .

Please  just ignore  him

All he wants  is  to argue and ridicule .

If no one  feeds his need  for  conflict  he  will get board and  go away .


gary 

I reported your personal insults to the moderator. It just goes to show what a person you are. And as for your "technical" comments, these are pure garbage, just like you, because you  have no idea what are you talking about.

Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.

Yeah. Great science and discoveries. Go on, invent more. I wonder why you bother when your "aliens" are coming in a couple of days and will give you all this technology on the plate.

I was told that you have a few different profiles to make more noise with your nonsense. This is now being checked out, just in case. or should I just say: hi pink floyd?

The fact that wizardofMars has eloquently demolished this subject and only received similar treatment from you and monkey, instead of some answers on his quite relevant and pertinent questions shows how little you have to say about any subject. As soon as someone asks a good question or competently points out at things that are pure nonsense from elementary scientific point of view you and alikes start personal insults and trashing.

Ok, pink floyd, or monkey, or resonanceman, or whatever are your names in this forum. Show us more of your colorful language. That is all you have to contribute anyway.


hypersoniq

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #211 on: October 10, 2008, 03:12:42 AM »
@jeanna

You are fabricating an HHO welder?

Make sure
1.) you generate enough LPM of gas to get through at least 1 bubbler/flashback supressor AND create a steady flame... those sputtering tiny needlepoint rock melters on youtube probably won't cut it for this application.
2.) Bubblers are filled and checked regularly (they not only prevent flashbacks, they also filter out much of the inevitable liberated electrolyte)
3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.

I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...

nievesoliveras

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #212 on: October 10, 2008, 03:13:44 AM »
Hi!

@All
Maybe you have seen it already. But there is a couple of links of a guy that made something with rods that relates to electrinium I think.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" ;Video 01

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true"%20style="width:400px;height:326px"%20allowFullScreen="true"   ;Video 02

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #213 on: October 10, 2008, 03:41:52 AM »
The power of any chemical reaction is expressed when the electrons are being transferred from one atomic neculei to the other.  An endothermic reaction draws heat in from the surround.  An exothermic the opposite.  In either case there is energy flow either to a condensed field or expanded field.  Why should we care which way it is going as long as it results in a flow of energy going through our systems that are setup to experience this flow.  Oxidation of hydrogen results in more energy in less space.  It is an implosion.  Yet while the electrons are being exchanged their kinetic energy is expressed on the field resulting in electromagnetic heating of the unreacted oxygen and thermal expansion of the gas.   You take hydrogen and ignite it in a test tube with mostly hydrogen in there and it sucks air into the tube.  The point being is that you imparted energy into the surrounds.  You run a car too rich and you lose power.  
   Unfortunately I am not wired or do not know how to control my nervous system electrical pulses to influence anything beyond the normal muscle contractions.  If I could first thing I'd do is make everyone some free food housing clean fuel and let everyone know their life is important and needed.

jeanna

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #214 on: October 10, 2008, 03:42:43 AM »
@jeanna

You are fabricating an HHO welder?

Make sure

3.) you wire in an emergency stop button to KILL gas production by cutting power,and place it where you can punch or stomp it quickly while welding/melting.

I was kicking around the idea of an "end-stage" small bubbler/flashback supressor built into the handle (like an airbrush gun has a place to screw in a paint canister, albeitwith different "plumbing") that would offer some protection from a spark reaching the dangerous amount of HHO gas going from the handle to the primary bubbler...

good ideas.

Actually I am still just trying to figure out how to rearrange the shed so I have a safe way to do this.

I was planning to make it with a double bubbler (sounds a little like Macbeth)

I like the foot switch idea.

I contacted one company to sell me a welder because I really like to weld, but I got no reply. I don't want to force anybody to scam me, so I tread lightly with this.

I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.

jeanna

@Sparks, those are kind sentiments in the end. I am not sure I follow what you are saying about Oxidizing Hydrogen. I was actually thinking it was reducing (hydrogenizing - I think) Oxygen?? but, I will accept what you say. I didn't think burning H2 was implosive, just burning HHO as "Brown's gas".

But, whatever it is, the point I was trying to make is that it is the internal atoms of the base metal that fuel the fire for the transformation. Maybe you are saying the same thing and I just don't understand.

But, I think this is off topic. I apologize to the thread.

hypersoniq

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #215 on: October 10, 2008, 03:48:47 AM »
1. Who is "Arthur P. Summera"? Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text.

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). What's the connection?

5. Bonus question. The Universarium Foundation (aka The Universariun Foundation) magazine 'The Voice of Universarius' is still lying around in some libraries and I've seen them on Alibris. Some of those folks like Zelrun Karsleigh are probably still alive and could tell you who Summera is (or isn't).

1. Your guess is as good as anyone's... my guess is it's a pen name for someone who had an idea but lacked the ability to see it through. If the document was written in 2080, I would be more concerned...

2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?

3. Obviously someone re-typed it, maybe stripped out useful formulas and/or interjected their own spin on some of it.

4. Possible likely candidates for who re-typed it and added their own stuff.

5. Where's the question here?


Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it?
Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.
I got something of value from it, probably not what the author intended, but enough to send me on my way to chase down my version of the concept...

Whenever you read a document that mixes "beliefs" and science, BLOCK OUT THE SPIRITUAL STUFF AND RE_READ IT !!!, The same goes for the people more into the spiritual side of things, block out the science and re-read it...

You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)

hypersoniq

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #216 on: October 10, 2008, 03:59:58 AM »
Quote from: jeanna
I have a 9 volt battery proving the concept on my kitchen table. I don't know why I need to get a high LPM. It seems as long as I have some in reserve in the first bubbler, I can spot weld a little and get the rhythm of it.

Spot welding with low pressure is ok for a demonstrator or proof-of-concept, but to do what you want regarding electrinium will require a steady flame. intermittent heat does not promote uniform internal crystal structure (think voids, lattice mis-matches and fissures)

Drannom

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #217 on: October 10, 2008, 03:30:22 PM »
Hello all

sorry, i have not read yet this topic (and all the others) since 29-09-2008, i will do that soon with a lot of excitement !! keep going !  :D

i will be back on the track in the next days, i will get much free time in winter with many feets of snow outside

don't worry i am ok

 

nievesoliveras

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #218 on: October 10, 2008, 04:11:44 PM »
Hi!

Forgive me for asking and forgive my ignorance on the matter. But, does anybody know where to get the electrinium rods this guy is talking about?

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-635987818295327978&hl=en&fs=true
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4298347669641896403&hl=en&fs=true

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #219 on: October 10, 2008, 04:16:07 PM »
Howdy Nievesoliveras,

Isn't that the elemental rod guy?  I think I have seen his video before.  Don't know where to get the rods, I think he made them...

Edit:  Yeah found the videos, here you go...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403

Blessed Be...
« Last Edit: October 10, 2008, 04:46:17 PM by z.monkey »

sparks

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #220 on: October 10, 2008, 04:29:01 PM »
  Again a little off topic but light going through a prism and falling on gold creates plazmoids.  This technique is used for dna analyses.  It seems that the charge seperation as a result of this technique lasts significantly longer than the exposure of the gold to the light.  It's like charging a capacitor with light.  Now if this happens with infrared wavelengths we could have a nice infrared to voltage converter.  For some reason those copper clad pyramids come to mind.
  @Drannom

  welcome back!

    Have you ever tried introducing a magnetic field during your crystal synthesis?
Possibly a pulsed torroidal coil to replace the mixer. 
« Last Edit: October 10, 2008, 05:07:10 PM by sparks »

nievesoliveras

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #221 on: October 10, 2008, 04:33:52 PM »
Hi!

@Zmonkey
Thanks!

Jesus

ramset

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #222 on: October 10, 2008, 04:39:09 PM »
Sparks do you think Infrared can be collected in an antennae system-[parabolic ?] and focus to a collector ?
          Chet

sparks

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #223 on: October 10, 2008, 06:23:54 PM »
      The problem with shortwavelength conversion to electrical is the antennae size.  The creation of these plazmoids is interesting in that it represents a direct conversion of wave energy into electrical energy.  I believe that the impostion of the "demodulated" light wavefield onto the metal results in wave interference on the surface of the metal that is condusive to electron release from the metal atomic lattice.  The ionized atoms stay in the surface of the metal while the electrons form a seperated electron cloud outside of the metal.  This electron cloud seperated from the ionized metal atoms lasts up to 4times the length of the light signal.  This charge seperation could act as a voltage scource to drive an external circuit designed at much lower frequency.  This is basically the disintegration of the plazma which stored the light catalyzed energy.

    If the same mechanism is employed but optimized for the infrared spectrum we have a continual heat to electrical converter.  I invision pyramid crystals grown on the surface of a gold foil then an n substrate and second conductor foil.

wizardofmars

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #224 on: October 10, 2008, 11:46:00 PM »
2. Google maps/satellite pic shows it as a tree... Did something exist there 28 years ago?

Seriusly, who cares where it came from, the REAL question is what are we going to do with it? Some who has the means may try it as written, most will just go back and forth trying to decipher it.....You obviously read at least some of the document, if it didn't give you an "a-ha" moment, drop it and move on to the next thing. :)

Google shows no match with "850 north 28th street springfield oregon 97477" for me. There is a 850 28th St Springfield, OR 97477 however. Maybe someone could pull the records on that propety.

As for not caring where it came from - by your criteria, there are millions of random documents out there and you'll never get through them all. Figuring out if they came from a credible source (or some anonymous writer who was then 'reinterpreted' by a second anonymous writer) is important.