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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #450 on: December 08, 2008, 08:32:42 PM »
Well yes and no. It is more similar to the Crystal Cells.

On a certain level the diode-like arrangement is similar,
but it does not accord with most of what is described in
the Electrinium paper at all.
It is in much better accordance with normal diode theory.
It is in fact exactly what is described on the site: an array
of a huge number of small diodes, which sort of rectify the
minute ambient oscillations.



Koen

I was  thinking that it is probably  more similar than different .
Electrinium seems to be working  like a rectifier in some way .

I was also wondering  if it might  be useable as a backup plan ........ if the funds were  raised to get the  equipment  to try to make  some  electrinium  it  would be wise to  have a few ideas for making  a profit  from  the equipment even  if  the electrinium project failed.


gary



 

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #451 on: December 08, 2008, 09:32:40 PM »

from page 70 of  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.690

Talking about  room temp  superconducting  plastic

http://www.ultraconductors.com/primer.html

I would  agree that this guy  probably doesn't  have  anything  ready to show  people ......but he could have found  something .

It is my theory that  with the  right  materials it may be possible  to make  electrinium  by flowing  enough  current  through the materials to  form channels for the current,  then  removing  the current slowly and letting the  material harden .

Could this  be done  with plastic?
Could this  guy  be " burning" conductive  channels into plastic ?
These  channels might  in effect  be multiple microscopic  spark gaps.
I am pretty sure that  sparks don't always  follow the  laws of physics ......so  a long string of small sparkgaps  might  have some very interesting properties.
 
I am  not sure  if this  would  qualify  as electrinium but it might  be worth  looking into. .

 I am  thinking that  filling the plastic with very  small particles might help.
I am thinking that both  conductive and nonconductive  particles would be needed
The interaction  between the  current  the plastic  and the  conductive particles would  form the channels and create in effect anodes and cathodes.

gary


Offline Koen1

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #452 on: December 09, 2008, 03:27:34 PM »
Well, thing is, yes the idea of "electrinium" is similar
to rectification and diode structures, in a way...

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.

Diodes are not like electrinium, the idea of electrinium
is roughly similar to diodes. The other way around.
The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.
And unfortunately the underlying theory is not in accordance
with the variations of diode theory. Superficially it is,
but on the deeper levels it is not.

Besides, as far as I know there is NO room temperature superconductive
material yet. Certainly not a plastic. That ultraconductors stuff has been
around for years and nobody has ever had the honour of actually seeing
a piece of the hypothetical superonductive plastic. It does not appear to
actually exist.
If we had room temp superconductors then yes, that could change the
entire story a bit, give it an extra dimension so to speak.
At least, I assume you see the similarities between room temp superconductors
and semiconductors in this specific context? I have a feeling you do,
otherwise why bring up superconds in the forst place? ;)

The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D

Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.

Lol :) funny to see how the better "electrinium" posts are all Cell related,
and not so much "electrinium" as described in the similarly titled paper.
:)

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #453 on: December 09, 2008, 06:47:30 PM »
@all

I made a mistake???
I am reading too many threads at the same time.

Jesus

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #454 on: December 09, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
 (static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
 so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #455 on: December 10, 2008, 12:48:24 AM »

But rather than to say that diodes and rectifiers that do exist
and that we do have good working theories for that explain how
and why they work and how we can make them,
are like electrinium that does not exist and that we do not
have good working theories for that do not explain properly
how and why they work and how to make them,
I would say it is the idea of electrinium that is shaped
roughly along the lines of diodes and rectifiers,
and certainly not the other way around.


Koen

I really  don't care much about  who has what  theorys  about  this and that .The  theorys  that you  describe  as good working theorys   are  just accepted theorys.   They are probably way  off the way that they actually work . The politics  of science  is  often stronger  than the evidence of science  when it comes to  what  theorys  become accepted . .....Anyone  with  a half way open mind  can see this .

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The fantasy electrinium is a conceptual over-unity diode.

How  can you  state that  electrinium  is a fantasy ?
Are you  saying that it is impossible  just because  you have never seen any ?
Is it  possible that it is   being  manufactured  and used  by  some  black  opps projects that the public may never  be told about?
Is it possible that it   has been  developed  then  suppressed?

Wouldn't it be something  if  us  fools  working on this  " fantasy  "  came up  with  an idea that helped you  improve your  crystal cells ?


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The process you so roughly describe as "burning" channels for the current
through a material is one that in my opinion is closer to what some of us are
trying to do in our Crystal Cell experiments than to anything described in
the electrinium paper.
You're going Hutchison style Crystal Cell "conditioning" there, it seems. :D


My  idea for the  gold/iron  cell that we talked about early in this thread always included melting  the  metals  with high  current  and burning  current paths through the material.
I was simply  relating  my understanding  of  a way  that might  work for making  a form of electrinium  to the superconducting  plastic idea.



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Then filling the plastic with particles, "dopant", that's also very Crystal Cell-ish.
Except we generally don't use plastic but some other nonconductive or
semi-conductive material.


As I see it the  non conductive particles  would  help define the  size of the channels ......and also  help dissipate heat.
I am not as sure of the conductive particles .
One  way that   conductive  particles could  be used is  if  one side of them  was made of a metal that  easily emitted electrons .....and the other side  did not easly emit  electrons .... it would work like a string of micro vacuum  tubes.

Another  way might  be geometry  of the particles
If  the  particles  were shaped  like a tear drop and all lined up in the same direction  the points would  emit  a lot more  electrons  than the  rounded ends.

in  both cases  the  channels  would  be  very narrow and  formed in the path of least resistance  between the non conductive  particles.

gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #456 on: December 10, 2008, 12:59:45 AM »
the way i understood the authors description of "electrinium"

the substance should have both properties of an electret
 (static charge separation between two 'ends' of the material)
as well as inductive properties.

chemically speaking, it would be an semiconductive iron alloy, something like::

(x)SiO2 +(x)Si28 + (x)Fe56
crystalized in an electric or magnetic field.

Fe56 and Si28 are unique forms of Iron and Silicone, which can be transmuted from carbon powder under an electric arc (or through a 6 month alchemaic heating/cooling process which is rather inefficient)

the carbon powder is molecularly disrupted by the electric arc, (approx. 16KJ per 6C12)
and splits into the Si28 isotope (which is mostly stable) and an unstable isotope of Nickel. (Ni56)
the nickel decays in a matter of nanoseconds and combines with some of the silicone, and becomes
     Fe56
The resulting mass, if melted/mixed is an iron-silicate alloy, which you then would mix with quartz powder and allow it to recrystalize.

i have no clue what "causes" would allow such an electrinium to exist, so the ammounts of each substance in the alloy are a pure guessing game, if its even possible.

Transmutation is generally performed in open air, by a spark gap, with the powder in between
  60W - 100W  in various arrangement do work.  ive heard of experiments done outside this range, but i dont know how successful they were.

i would reccommend less than 80 volts DC , and at least 1 minute of arc per gram for complete transmutation, use a carbon electrode, as it will not melt, and a high temp plate as the (-), if some of the resulting alloy melts from the arc thats okay because you will re-melt it later anyways.

and obtain the finest particle size you can for the quartz, the resulting alloy should have an unstable resistance measurement, that's how you will know you have "enough" SiO2 in the mixture"
when you measure resistance it will be up/down as the current takes different paths through the crystals
you wont be able to melt the quartz, even when the alloy is already boiling, unless you are lucky enough have an electric arc furnace in your basement (if so, can i come over to play?!?)

what i mean to say is the resulting mixture will re-crystalize around the solid quarts particles,
 so it wont "look" like a perfect crystal.


if anyone has the equipment / patience, it would be interesting to experiment along these lines.
(msg me if you need a source of free 99.9999% carbon particulate)

Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #457 on: December 10, 2008, 02:23:50 AM »
Smokey

WHen I try to see  how this  would  work  it looks to me like  it is more than 3/4 quarts.  ...... 
I still think that  it would have to be  compressed while  the heating process goes on. 
I was thinking it would  take much  greater power  ....I hope that you  are right about that part.


gary

i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #458 on: December 13, 2008, 09:45:59 PM »
i believe the quartz will compress while the metal is cooling. and if under astrong enough biased field, the electric currents created by the quartz compression should be exactly opposite of the magnetic induction, which will create the desired 'eletret' orientation of the quartz.

you are right about the quantity of quartz, is must be much greater than the quantity of iron-silicate alloy to establish an overall "semiconductive" effect. the alloy itself conducts electricity very well, despite being nearly 30% silicone


Sounds interesting

Back on  page 6 I  tried  to describe a way to  possibly make  Iron/gold electrinium  I like  the idea because it is fairly  simple  , the ceramic  bead  that  is the " container '  for  the  process also becomes the  outer  shell  of the  finished unit.   The process would  be fairly easy to test  on a small scale ..........but also  could  be automated without  to much  trouble.

I  made a few crude  drawings to help explain ....   Just go back to page  6 and  scan for the  big ugly  gifs   :)

I  was thinking that  your idea might  be able to  be made  in a  similar way .... perhaps  a plug  made  of the  right  components  between the electrodes.  The electrodes  would have to be made in  such a way to permanently fuse to the  main  core and provide the  proper electrical  conections.


gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #459 on: December 17, 2008, 03:09:20 AM »
@all

I was browsing the forum as usual and I found this thread that on this specific link, the guy states that he has a shorted 12v battery and talks about a diode battery. I think that this is related with the electrinium.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6230.msg144295#msg144295

Greetings!

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #460 on: October 27, 2010, 08:08:20 AM »


Magnetic sludge from used up batteries.




what's wrong with that, good place to start? you might have a job aligning the atom pairs though to make any sizeable voltage....

I take it everyone has seen my video on the subject? It got banned on youtube LOL  ::)


http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoId=27970157




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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #461 on: October 27, 2010, 08:25:03 AM »
Without reading through every post, did anyone succeed in making any electrinium? Through electrolysis maybe? Or from the sludge inside an old alkaline battery?

Did anyone manage to get into an old car battery and found sludge at the bottom? Electrinium sludge....?

I was playing with the idea of making a battery by re-packing the contents of an old alkaline battery and re-aligning/re-charging the atoms with high voltage/current just to prove the concept. The pairs of atoms (Nickel-Cadmium) would be aligned fairly randomly in parallel so the voltage would always be that of one pair ie. 1.5volts and the current would drain with load according to how tightly they are packed? Just add water to make them conduct and make an "alkaline" solution (any liquid that conducts will do just as well)!

For the record we already have the technology to make electrinium it is virtually the same process they use to make permanent magnets ( a form of battery) by aligning the molecules in the magnet then packing them solid.




Just some ideas to play with?


It Works for me! 




Matt

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #462 on: October 27, 2010, 08:28:26 AM »
One last question for tonight! Does anyone own a furnace and crucible?


And has anyone approached an IC manufacturer/engineer to see if they would be interested in helping to grow an electrinium crystal the same way silicon crystals are grown?


That was two questions  ;)



Matt

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #463 on: October 27, 2010, 08:46:25 AM »
PS. I know Marcus Reid has some success with permanent batteries but  again the molecules were not aligned in series so the voltage/current drain was low even though they lasted for upwards of nine years (and counting) under test. There are even some crystals that display permament battery properties occuring naturally in rocks I understand :)



http://www.vakuumenergie.de/projekte/crystaline_unit.html


http://www.electra-energy-ag.com/ (in German)




Matt

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #464 on: October 27, 2010, 09:01:49 AM »
Hi!

@gary
Thank you for the information about the lead batteries. I will need now to make another decision about the electrinium source chosen.

Jesus


hi Jesus I think you were mislead (pardon the pun!) a lead acid battery is "duped" with other materials/metals that make it work, it doesn't necessarily stop the electrolysis process that makes the sludge.


Or stop our research :)



Matt