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Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #420 on: November 02, 2008, 11:43:20 PM »
Hi!

Do you mean something like this?

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Offline nitinnun

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #421 on: November 03, 2008, 12:41:08 AM »
yes. exactly like that picture.
those plates would provide all the pressure that you need.

so you could all focus on "only" the electricity producing atoms.
and not worry about making a chemical mess.


your best option, is to make a chemical compound that has most/all of its covalent bonds filled.
and is covalently bonded to 2 metal terminals.

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #422 on: November 03, 2008, 02:54:53 AM »
Hi!

Pardon my ignorance in chemistry. I only know a little about pulsed motors.
Do you have any new recipe of those chemicals that will fill their covalent bonds?

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #423 on: November 03, 2008, 03:05:12 AM »
chemical reactions are known for causing covalent bond changes, with VERY little heat and energy.


metals tend to have lots of covalent bonds. making them highly ideal.
the larger magnetic fields of metals, would also strengthen the overall magnetic field in the cell.

carbon and silicon both have 4 covalent bonds.
so they are ideal for making long covalent bond chains.
(silicon can likely form covalent bonds, without melting.)

hydrogen has 1 bond, and oxygen has 2.
they are often used to "cap" the ends of lattice chains.

i think nitrogen and sulfer both have 3 bonds
sulfer is required to form protein chains.


remember that nothing has to get hot enough to "melt".
things need to get hot enough, to "make them form covalent bonds".

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #424 on: November 03, 2008, 03:22:11 AM »
Hi!

An example recipe:
To take a break from reading at the computer, I prepare myself a hot cup of coffee.

1. Fill an 8 ounces microwave resistant cup with water.
2. Put it into the microwave and press the numbers to 1:30 minutes (on my microwave, yours could be different).
3. When the microwave finish heating the water, take it out of the microwave.
4. Add 1/4 teaspoon of instant coffe and stir.
5. Add a teaspoon of cream and stir again till the cream is well disolved, the mix will look clear brown.
6. Add two teaspoons of sugar and stir again (or sugar at your taste)
Your instant coffee is done at this point.

Enjoy it while reading in front of your computer or peacefully rocking on a hammock! Use creativity here.
It gives you sufficient energy to have working at your computer for hours.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #425 on: November 03, 2008, 03:27:11 AM »
i've found that the unsaturated fat in raw flax seeds, has given me much greater mental focus.

avoid heating food whenever you can. the heat damages the foods structure.
and the oxidization makes it much harder for your body to process.
(the body needs unsaturated fat, to dissolve oxidated materials.)


clockwise magnetism has shown to be healthy for living things.
which is part of why people desire to be around paramagnetic elements. such as gold, silver, and copper.

if you spin metal clockwise, the spin builds up its clockwise magnetism, and inhibits its counter-clockwise magnetism.

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #426 on: November 03, 2008, 03:51:00 AM »
Hi!

What I meant by giving you my coffee break recipe is that, that is the best way to show someone how to make something based on a recipe.
I asked you on another post if you had a recipe to get those covalent bonds you are talking about.
In other words, Do you have a step by step instruction on how to set the battery you recommend making?

I have very clear that it needs to be compressed. But I dont really know what are the other steps on the process.

I know you gave this recipe:
i pressed together a very thin sheet of copper,
a very thin sheet of dried glue,
and a very thin sheet of steel.

But it lacks the process step by step.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #427 on: November 03, 2008, 01:43:32 PM »
Hi!

I reread the page and found the answer to my question. It was my fault for not reading the page well.

I did an edited version of the information.

Again. My fault for not reading well the page.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #428 on: November 06, 2008, 11:57:54 PM »
Actually, his dry pile is a valid post, but to know that you would need to get informed. And some knowledge. While the dry pile is nothing to write home about, it does demonstrate the basic concepts of capacitance. and self-charge. However self-charging capacitance is already lifted to a higher level and there are better examples than the dry pile. And with higher energy output.

The output that beats the "electrinium" stuff pants down, by the way. And it is much simple to build and experiment with than that crap cyanide and silver-oxide sludge.

I guess, no one here, believing in the electrinium story, is capable of understanding the basic chemical fact that the sludge is energy-spent material and as such is useless for a production of any electrical charge.

So, good luck with that to those who are banging their heads at the wall about the "electrinium", you'll need it.


Hi Dr.T, the point is that no-one has successfully built an electrinium battery to date. There have been a few attempts but no-one successfully aligned the atoms and in so doing merely reproduced a slightly improved "permanent" version of the standard alkaline battery technology.

There is no way you can put your hand on your heart and say "this beats electrinium hands down" that is like saying Mc Cain won the election "hands down" !  Electrinuim when aligned correctly will produce something like 25,000v per sqare millimeter, hmmm I don't know the exact figure, but that information alone is enough to make me want to conduct some more research in this field.

So although you might consider yourself to be banging your head agaoinst a wall, the rest of us are having a fun time creating breakthrough with something that could potentially benefit the world greatly!

This is a thread about electrinuim batteries! Not about kincking around stories about already half understood and ineffective technologies....

Over to you Einstein!


Matt

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #429 on: November 07, 2008, 12:05:15 AM »
Hi Guys,

Reading through I am not sure where this thread is heading, so I just wanted to share a couple of things to maybe bring things back on track a little...

I found this on wiki which I thought was interesting:-

One of the problems with the plates in a lead-acid battery is that the plates change size as the battery charges and discharges, the plates increasing in size as the active material absorbs sulfate from the acid during discharge, and decreasing as they give up the sulfate during charging. This causes the plates to gradually shed the paste during their life. It is important that there is plenty of room underneath the plates to catch this shed material. If this material reaches the plates a shorted cell will occur.

I am thinking maybe this "paste" is electrinium sludge (bonded pairs of atoms) formed during the electrolysis process? Since....

At this stage the positive and negative plates are similar, however expanders and additives vary their internal chemistry to assist in operation when in use.

...basically additives are used to make the plates "dissimilar" otherwise there would be no negative and positive plate and no potential difference between them.


Has anyone tried collecting some of this sludge from the bottom of a spent car battery?



Matt

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #430 on: November 07, 2008, 12:29:31 AM »
Hi!

@mrcharisma

I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #431 on: November 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM »
....and while I am on the subject, i remember earlier someone (drannon?) asking where we could find a silver iron battery? apparently "silver-zinc" batteries, aka "silver-oxide" batteries are quite common.

...from wiki:-
A silver oxide battery (IEC code: S), also known as a silver–zinc battery, is a primary cell (although it may be used as a secondary cell with an open circuit potential of 1.86 volts). Silver oxide batteries have a long life and very high energy/weight ratio, but a prohibitive cost for most applications due to the high price of silver. They are available in either very small sizes as button cells where the amount of silver used is small and not a significant contributor to the overall product costs, or in large custom design batteries where the superior performance characteristics of the silver oxide chemistry outweigh cost considerations. The large cells found some applications with the military, for example in Mark 37 torpedoes or on Alfa class submarines.

While I am not suggesting you approach the military and ask them for an MK37 Alpha Class Torpedo! It might be quite easy to find a silver-zinc "button" type battery (the type you find in watch batteries?) and extract the sludge from those?

apparently one doesn't need much of the stuff to make a really powerful battery (when the molecules are aligned correctly)  :)





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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #432 on: November 07, 2008, 01:00:08 AM »
Hi Jesus,

well he has a point! But I am thinking maybe the sludge is electrinium, lead in its rawest form is full of impurities   http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PAFzq1l1ZlE  not to mention the additives! and that some more research as you suggest cannot but be of benefit to everyone...

Trust all is well with you too ?


Matt


Hi!

@mrcharisma

I tried to make some experiments once but when I suggested it this was the answer:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5479.msg132645#msg132645

Jesus



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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #433 on: November 07, 2008, 02:32:46 AM »
Hi!

@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.

The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.

No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.

Jesus

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #434 on: November 07, 2008, 11:03:19 PM »
Hi!

@mrcharisma
On that video the person heated and cooled the lead glob several times and the lead turned to a color resembling gold, but that does not mean that it is gold. Piryte seems gold but it is not. Dont be fooled.

The only good thing is the hho instrument he used to heat the lead is what we need to experiment with the electrinium battery materials.

No, I do not trust all. Only the creator of all things I trust.

Jesus


Hi Jesus,

well it does not mean it is not gold either! lead is full of impurities including bismuth, silver, zinc, copper and gold it is a well known FACT that these things can be economically exctracted from lead...

maybe it is bronze, an amalgum of copper and another element? or maybe the gold is becoming visible and floating to the surface during the roasting process? or MAYBE it is alchemy and the lead is transmuting into gold lol

try wikipedia for lead and see what you get ;)


in GOD we trust, everyone else pays cash lol


Matt