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Title: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 26, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
Hi everybody, nice to be here, since most people in the real world do not understand my intensions.

First I want to provide some thoughts about gravity and magnetism:

From the scientific point of view, there is no energy potential in gravity. If you  want to use the gravity of an object, you
first have to move it up the hill. Transporting the object up will cost at least as much energy as you could gather from it when
it comes down again.

The same rule applies to ferromagnetic forces. Whenever something is attracted, you will have to spend the same amount of
force to remove it from the field again. See it as a valley: an object may roll down the valley, but there's no way out of the valley
other than to go up the hill again.

These rules are very simple and IMHO they will save you a lot of time by not building some bessler-like wheels that are based on
nothing but gravity, but seem to work in theory, at least on the first look. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say Overunity is impossible.
But tricking gravity with nothing but gravity probably won't work.

At the other hand a combination of multiple forces is still very interesting. Whether a combination of gravity and magnetism will work,
I still don't know. Other combinations do work. You may know the Water/Osmosis Motor that I used to design some months ago. It really works, based on water
evaporation and gravity. (Although it's a weak motor, for me it's important to have success from time to time, even if I can do only "Baby steps").
One thing that I realized when I built the Water Motor, is the fact that a wheel should not need to push itself
away from something that is applied to a stator, because this will always require energy. In this Water Motor parts of the wheel are deforming periodicly,
causing imbalance in the wheel. They deform due to hygroscopic pressure, so they are in no mechanical way in contact with the stator.

So I though how can I cause some kind of deformation in the wheel without to touch the wheel by the stator?? First I thought
"Magnets are the solution" but I was wrong. A Magnet on the stator that is causing Deformation on the rotor is noting else but a physical/mechanical connetion between them!
The force that is required to deform the rotor will be taken directly from the torque - it's only a funny brake, nothing more.

So how could I trigger a force that is applied to the rotor and cause it to deform parts of the rotor, in order to get imbalance?

My main idea to solve the problem is: gravity could trigger a magnet that would deform the rotor. all applied to the rotor.
Imagine a magnet inside a tube, aligned like a spoke. The magnet can move freely inside the tube from the very outline of the wheel towards the axis, for about one inch.
Near the center of the wheel there's a further magnet, fixed on the wheel. These two magnets do attract one another. So the outter magnet will slide inside the tube
until it reaches the limiter. The remaining gap between them is still about one inch or so. Now into this gap I will drop a third, small magnet, with opposing poles. Some lead
ballast and a little track is used to force the 3. magnet in place. This will push the outter magnet away from the wheels center, causing the imbalance we need for a gravity wheel.

So the third magnet will fall between the two other magnets when the wheel is somewhere between angle 0 and 90. When it reaches angle 180 to 270 it will fall back again due to gravity. This way magnet 1 and 2 will be attracting oneantother again.
Now, falling in and out of an opposing magnetic field consumes diffrent amounts of force/torque, even with lead ballast applied. This problem most likely could be solved by adding a further pair of magnets, so the third magnet will always drop between two pairs of magnets that are equalizing the forces. The outter magnet of the compensating pair must of course be fixed. An adjustment screw may be needed to position the outter magnet of the compensating pair in a way that perfectly neutralizes its mobile counterpart, however.

I hope this wasn't too confusing. Maybe I'm going to draw a picture.

The core insight is: all forces (gravity and magnetism) are applied to the rotor - I think this may be the key to one solution.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: FreeEnergy on August 26, 2008, 10:50:10 PM
Maybe I'm going to draw a picture.

sounds plausible. still would like to see a drawing though.
thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: TinselKoala on August 27, 2008, 12:35:01 AM
You might like these two videos, where I test a wheel very like what you have described.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wuldel0syug (the basic wheel, through various modifications)

http://www.mediafire.com/?xhtlsgmm2tt (a clever way of latching the magnets, that almost works)
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 27, 2008, 02:24:50 AM
Ok, here are some drawings. This first one for the sake of simplicity shows the basic rotor without the compensating pairs I mentioned.

The PMs inside the Pipes can move up and down. The PM "B" and the lead Ballast build a unit that can move forward and backward on the tracks. They are gaged in some kind of tunnel to make sure they won't turn and jump around violently.  The magnets near the center are fixed to the rotor.

Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 27, 2008, 02:32:12 AM
Here's the same with the compensation magnet pairs. So unit B is going to alternate between two identicly repelling fields, only gravity will decide on what end of the track the unit lies.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 27, 2008, 02:57:17 AM
(BTW forgot to say the green magnets are all static, fixed to the rotor)

TinselKoala : I got codec troubles with your movies. Not sure if I am the only one who blocks windows media player from downloading codecs and what not every other day, personally I prefere youtube / flash movies.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: TinselKoala on August 27, 2008, 06:58:59 AM
Too bad. The movies show a wheel that could very easily be converted to your exact design.
It (my Mondrasek Wheel) almost runs of itself in the larger movie.
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/6b56282f5589c651ac185e55e027742b4g.jpg)
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 27, 2008, 05:09:46 PM
All and all, the secret to a gravity wheel is.
 What goes down, must come up. ;D
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 28, 2008, 03:04:33 AM
AB Hammer - This is why I said "combination" - gravity and magnets. The reason why I show you this picture is: I hope somebody is going to tell me why this wouldn't work.

TinselKoala - That's looking good.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: pequaide on August 28, 2008, 04:03:17 AM
If a mass comes down one meter and goes back up 4 or 10 meters you have it. So you are wrong; gravity alone can be used to make energy.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 28, 2008, 04:50:03 AM
Since I started in the gravity field. I have tried around 50+ builds. Some I knew wouldn't work but I wanted to see the effects. Others I thought would work left my head scratching until it was clear why they did not. I have worked with leavers shifting units extenders, all forms of counter weights and so on. One thing of what I have learned is how to float a weight. This test device is 6 lbs and I can take my pinkie finger and move it around in any direction as well as in and out and it still weighs nearly the same to my pinkie finger at one point. This means that I can put 75% of the mass in any location of a wheel with a very small counter weight of 8 ounces. This means 8 ounces moving 6 pounds and 75% of it can be a positive to the wheel effect. Yes I know that it is a 12 to 1 ratio. but the positive effect is 8 to 1 ratio. With all this it still has some problems that I am addressing with a newer design wheel frame. I had $1,700.00 worth of medical bills to pay after insurance, not to mention some down time which means total losses so I had to put my wheel work to the side. Now I will be finishing 3 of my wheels over the next week and a half. And all is looking very well. IMHO I will video them but there will be covering until the paper work is done, and then the insides will be shown. One of them is a walker only about 10 inches tall and when put down to the ground it is expected to take off. Then I will turn it around and let is go the other direction as well as a mild incline. I do not expect it to go up too steep of a ramp. On the walker I first built didn't fair well but I do believe the design change will correct what the first one could not do.

Sorry for rambling but I am happy to put my magnets down and get to the real wheels again.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 28, 2008, 05:07:46 AM
AB Hammer - This is why I said "combination" - gravity and magnets. The reason why I show you this picture is: I hope somebody is going to tell me why this wouldn't work.

TinselKoala - That's looking good.

I will say I like your design, but I also see a couple of things that worry me. You are adding the slides which is very good in one direction, but very bad in the other. You will have a forward and a backwards jar. I see no other field manipulation which I am learning is the only way to get magnets to do what you want, and get past the sticky spots.
One of my magnet test wheels that I test manipulation, shocked me when the manipulation shot the inner wheel/magnet a full 1/2 turn and would do it over and over again with only very small stick that you could breath and get past. Wow this tells me that it is time to get some better magnets and build a real wheel with at least 6 of these manipulation around the outer side. I know you would love to see it, but it will have to weight until I get my gravity projects done, and protected. For If I am correct and I have gravity, I will feel free to show my magnet approaches.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: Marctwo on August 28, 2008, 11:29:43 AM
@Alan:  You mention protecting your device as if it's just a simple matter of course.  I've been looking into patent filing over the last week or so and I'm quite overwhelmed with the complexity of the process, the time involved and, of course, the costs.

Are there any good guides to patent applications that can help make the whole thing less daunting?
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 28, 2008, 01:11:45 PM
@Marctwo

 If you go the lawyer way it will cost the rip out of you. At this time there is no working wheel, so you have to wonder what possible patent infringement will you be making. Now a patent search is important and how you word your patent is very important. It has to be written in a way that will make it hard on the patent thieves (the little change way) from happening and then after patent pending is in place, you can show the media for exposure. I received this information from the patent office itself, and close dependable friends.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: broli on August 28, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
abhammer it's the only thing I dislike about you and probably will never agree with. It's the use of patents, I also don't like how you sometimes try to convince people they should do the same. It corrupts minds and gets people from research mode to greed mode. I do all my research and work for free. If I'm lucky enough to find a runner it'll be free for everyone like it's supposed to. Even if someone else gets the credit for it I don't care as long as it's out free of charge I'll sleep and die happy.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 28, 2008, 03:42:49 PM
abhammer it's the only thing I dislike about you and probably will never agree with. It's the use of patents, I also don't like how you sometimes try to convince people they should do the same. It corrupts minds and gets people from research mode to greed mode. I do all my research and work for free. If I'm lucky enough to find a runner it'll be free for everyone like it's supposed to. Even if someone else gets the credit for it I don't care as long as it's out free of charge I'll sleep and die happy.

broli

 That is easy to say when you have a good job and a retirement. If I had the same I would probably feel the same. But I have lived in off and on poverty over the last 20 years, being a handicap (bad legs from an head on collision) I got hit by a drunk driver at over 110 MPH. Even though I am a blacksmith/armourer and I dare say a good one. It is still a very very painful life and no retirement possible under these conditions. I hope you understand, it is not greed, but survival. And I want credit for who ever where credit is due. Not to be berried by hype and big business. Even Tesla's name was almost berried, and would have been, if he didn't do so much, and so much documentation by the media.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: broli on August 28, 2008, 04:06:27 PM
Yes I agree, everyone has his own story. But in my sight there's no way of justifying a patent. If you just want to survive then releasing a runner under open source terms will make you survive 5 life times. If you want to sit on millions or have that illusion atleast then go ahead patent the idea and we'll see what happens. Despite of the dreamer tesla was and what he invented he also used to patent every single thought he had, and what did it bring him today? Well I let students explain that as none have heard of him if they haven't done the research.

What's wrong with giving a world changing invention away? We have been used to these bad habits for so long that they seem oke now and have become the status quo.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 28, 2008, 07:22:35 PM
@broli

 It looks like you  have allot to learn.
 It seem like you don't know what it is like to be in poverty.
 You don't know what it is like to work in pain, needing cane and props just to try to make some money.
 You don't know what it is like to have an invention stolen from you and you don't have the money to fight them.
 
 To a blacksmith a tool needs to be used, and I look at money as a tool. If I had the money I would build jobs and places where the handicap and the poor people could have a life, the more I could make the more I can give.
 What can a poor person give? Nothing but ideas that can be taken and made millions on and the poor person could do nothing for they can't afford it.
 What can a rich person give that knows what it is like to be poor? Who has always put other people first. If I was that greedy, I wouldn't be here talking to anybody, wasting my time. But I will say this as well I give freely as long as I can afford it. Survival dictates what I can do. I have no choice.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: pequaide on August 29, 2008, 02:39:53 AM
The patent office will not experiment with your invention unless they have independent verification of its authenticity. In other words: all the world knows about it already. They too believe that such an invention is impossible.

A better hope at making money with it would be to introduce it to a corporation that has patent lawyers that will attempt to protect your invention, after they have vested interest in the project.

You should help protect yourself from the corporation outright stealing your invention when you show it to them, have a third party sit in with you on demo day, and video tape the demo.  Also; posting your invention on this site and starting a discussion is a valid means of establishing priority.  Sharing a slice of the pie with a corporation gives you a better shot at making money: it is a big pie.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: DrWhat on August 29, 2008, 12:51:09 PM
Alan,

you say "You don't know what it is like to have an invention stolen from you and you don't have the money to fight them". What do you mean by this? What invention?

I too invented something but I cannot say here as it will give away what I do/where I am to too many people. The patent attorney from a large patent firm said "no it's not worth patenting, too obvious and perhaps unpatentable". Three years later it was fully patented by an overseas company and now the invention is in millions of devices worldwide. To have been angry is an understatement. But my anger was never shown to others.

Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: broli on August 29, 2008, 01:00:06 PM
No disrespect intended DrWhat but that story is as old as my grandma. "I invented it and they stole it from me bohoo." This wouldn't have happened if it was open sourced. We live in a new age today. However thinks he can patent a free energy device and think multi billion companies are going to sit and watch you do it lives in a fantasy. 100's die on a daily basis due to crude oil, do you think your life is protected by some higher being? I accept whatever comes with the idea of giving it for free. If it's hords of people trying to hang me or praise me, I don't care. As long as I can reach my goal it's all fine.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 29, 2008, 03:13:33 PM
Alan,

you say "You don't know what it is like to have an invention stolen from you and you don't have the money to fight them". What do you mean by this? What invention?

I too invented something but I cannot say here as it will give away what I do/where I am to too many people. The patent attorney from a large patent firm said "no it's not worth patenting, too obvious and perhaps unpatentable". Three years later it was fully patented by an overseas company and now the invention is in millions of devices worldwide. To have been angry is an understatement. But my anger was never shown to others.



DrWhat

I was talking to broli with those statements, that he does not understand what it is like from my perspective . Now by his latest statement shows he truly don't understand how big business works either.
 The invention that I was talking about is a foam applicator for GM windshields that this co couldn't solve. I built a fully functional prototype in less than a week when their engineers haven't solved it in 7 months in the US or Japan. I was trying for a real job with a retirement. They took the device, and I had witnesses who wanted me to work there (lower engineers). But they just said what you going to do, you don't have the money to fight us HA HA. One of the other engineers smuggled out my original prototype and gave it back to me. I'll send you a photo of it.

 From what you said on your story, I would suspect the patent attorney, as the prime suspect for the theft, as that company where most likely his clients as well.

broli would have me give what I have done/doing away, and when I can't swing a hammer anymore and just let me starve and die, left with no money even to bury me. What he also don't understand is that once the patent pending is done, it will be exposed and people will be able to build for themselves as well. But most people will not build for them selves and that is where the money is, and the patent gives you protection for your name and where you have it patented from having greedy people from taking unjust advantage and claim it to be theirs. But as long as they pay for the wright and pay royalties they will still be able to build. The money that is talked about does not come from the poor but from the rich, and patents have and never will stop the person from building their own for their own use. The problem with open source is that anybody can start a co. and call it theirs with out any fears, and ignore the inventor's existence claiming what they invented and the inventor can't do a thing. Thieves out there will change it a little and patent it anyway taking the inventors name wrights and his credit as well. This will also keep the inventor form building his own machine and selling them for someone else now has the patent.

 @broli

 Patents do not stop what you want in the effects of open sourced to the public, but it does stop people from stealing it and making their own companies form it. What you are asking is like, the invention is a meat, and it gets thrown to a pack of hungry wolves (big business) and it will be devoured with nothing left for you.

 ::) Reality check!!

 
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: broli on August 29, 2008, 07:07:22 PM
ABHammer you should investigate open source licensing and their legal status more. I don't see why many like to equate it to giving stuff for free or having zero revenue. Like I said this is probably a subject we will never agree on anyway. If you believe this is your ticket out of "poverty" then that's fine. Just don't be disappointed when the patent office will laugh at your idea or steal it right there or even get out raced by an open source one. This device to me is not about money. It's about free energy, it's the sole purpose of ultimate survival.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 29, 2008, 08:38:31 PM
Greetings broli

Here is the basic info for open source licensing.

An open source license is a copyright license for computer software

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_license

You still do not understand. Once patent pending starts which is the same time you register it in the mail show up at the patent office and get the receipt of your filing. Then it is time to shout it from the mountain tops, news media, ect. You don't wait on the patent office to confirm it or it to be denied. Public pressure is your best friend. It still goes out all over the world just as if it where posted today. It just keeps thieves from stealing it from you, when you do it the correct way. ;D

Besides you should know I am not greedy or I wouldn't have sent you that video. And the fact that I will help people with what they are working on, and give advice. The hardest thing I have to keep from doing is just giving out the secrets of what I have worked so hard on, and what I have worked with others on.

Now I hope you understand.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: Marctwo on August 29, 2008, 10:05:44 PM
I seem to have opened a can of worms asking for patent advice so I've replied in another thread to let this one get back on topic.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5468.0.html

Cheers.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: Dgraphic911 on August 30, 2008, 01:40:20 AM
alan

"Now I will be finishing 3 of my wheels over the next week and a half. And all is looking very well."

I can actually find that in at least 3 posts per month over the past year.

How long is "a week and a half"

and whats your definition of "all is looking very well"?


I thought your walker was done and you were off the the patent office in MAY?
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 30, 2008, 03:37:55 AM
LOL

 Dgraphic911

 You caught me in wishful thinking, and I have built wheels in that time. But what happens all to often is being self employed I have to make more money and it keeps pushing back what I want to do. Sometimes I get about halfway built and then I see a problem that needs to be addressed, and before I can address them. Out of the blue so to speak. We have a breakdown or have to take a trip and then I have to make more money again. This is normally above the basic cost of living but necessary expense like stainless steel $1,500.00 worth needed. A few hundred dollars worth of rivets, welding wire, shielding gas, ect. ect. Sometimes I feel like a juggler with a broken arm. I even lost a few more days so I won't get started until Wednesday and Thursday. But finally these days unless like a medical emergency are wheel days YES!!. It is aggravating to have a design and even tested parts for the effects needed and can't finish the final wheel. What is even worst is each breakthrough makes you come up with other ideas and to look at old ones how they can be changed. The heat here is also a killer that shortens my days of work for I am in a tin building in the summer, and the hot sun beating down. This fall will be a very good time for I won't be being cooked and I will probably be moving to New Jersey sometime between fall and next spring. I am merging my business with my vendor Ice Falcon. Now we will be talking making money as a teem. We both expect to double out income from this merger. Then I see myself having even more time for wheel work and inventing. Then I will probably be even a bit more open on what I am doing.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: AB Hammer on August 30, 2008, 03:43:52 AM
alan

I thought your walker was done and you were off the the patent office in MAY?

That walker was done in may, but is was not perpetual, but I won't show it due to the other approaches, and another invention that has come from it. But it takes money to patent as well. I have 3 finished items to patent just waiting for the cash needed to do it. But when I have a running wheel the cash will be there and the other items will get their patents.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: utilitarian on August 30, 2008, 07:20:45 AM

At the other hand a combination of multiple forces is still very interesting. Whether a combination of gravity and magnetism will work,
I still don't know. Other combinations do work. You may know the Water/Osmosis Motor that I used to design some months ago. It really works, based on water evaporation and gravity. (Although it's a weak motor, for me it's important to have success from time to time, even if I can do only "Baby steps").
One thing that I realized when I built the Water Motor, is the fact that a wheel should not need to push itself
away from something that is applied to a stator, because this will always require energy. In this Water Motor parts of the wheel are deforming periodicly,
causing imbalance in the wheel. They deform due to hygroscopic pressure, so they are in no mechanical way in contact with the stator.


You put up a very bad example.  Evaporation is not a force.  That is the Sun's energy at work, and will end when the Sun runs out of hydrogen.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on August 31, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
Thanks for being back ontopic.

A bad example? I don't think so. What I basicly said was "a combination of 2 forces". The water wheel clearly does that, no need to deny anything. It is heat from the
sun that causes evaporation. I never said this is overunity. But it is free energy, since water evaporates in huge amounts all the time, and then rain if falling down again, all driven by the sun, anyway.

So I asked myself if I could replace the sun force by another force, eg. by magnets. Isn't magnetism just an other form of gravity? So it wouldn't be two forces then? But wait, magnetism
affects only ferromagnetic matter (other than rather insignificant diamagnetism etc). So it isn't just an ordinary form of gravity. Can we utilize this diffrence to create some kind of
alternating gravity loop, some kind of gravity stirling?

These questions usually confuse me a little and that's why I am doing some experiments. Sometimes it's easier to ask people like you why something wouldn't work, in order to save some time and money in building a device. So, any ideas?
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: pequaide on September 01, 2008, 03:05:16 PM
Dieter; A 5 kg mass moving 1 m/sec has 5 units of momentum and it will rise 5.1 cm. (d = 1/2 at? or d = 1/2v?/a) this is equal to 1 kg at a height of 25.5 cm.

A 1 kg mass moving 5 m/sec has 5 units of momentum and it will rise 127.4 cm. (d = 1/2 at? or d = 1/2v?/a) this is equal to 1 kg at a height of 127.4 cm.

127.4 is greater than 25.5

Build a machine that conserves momentum while giving the motion of a large object to a smaller portion of itself and you have an energy producing device. Such machines can be built for about $25 and are called cylinder and spheres machines.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on September 02, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
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Such machines can be built for about $25 and are called cylinder and spheres machines.

Have you built one? If so, then please let us see some pictures.

I would however be happy if we discuss the picture that I used to post in this thread after somebody asked for it. Do you ppl understand how it is meant to work at all? I'm a bit afraid most people don't really take the time to study such plans. Besides, the above plan is already kind of obsolete, but it still shows the basic principle of operation. Current concepts are still based on gravity that is triggering a magnet that will push away an other magnet to get imbalance, 90 degrees out of phase.

Anyway ;) seems like I got to build it, at least meanwhile I won't do anything worse .
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: pequaide on September 03, 2008, 10:52:32 AM
I have built about 20 energy producing devices. Some models are in freefall and others work on top of a frictionless plane. Photographs can be found on the tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/free_energy/ web site under files posted by pequaide, I labeled the 16 latest 8-15-08, 8-19-08, 8-21-08, and 8-25-08.  I had posted pictures here but for some reason it won?t let me post pictures anymore, maybe my computer is to slow. 
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: broli on September 03, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
Dieter; A 5 kg mass moving 1 m/sec has 5 units of momentum and it will rise 5.1 cm. (d = 1/2 at? or d = 1/2v?/a) this is equal to 1 kg at a height of 25.5 cm.

A 1 kg mass moving 5 m/sec has 5 units of momentum and it will rise 127.4 cm. (d = 1/2 at? or d = 1/2v?/a) this is equal to 1 kg at a height of 127.4 cm.

127.4 is greater than 25.5

Build a machine that conserves momentum while giving the motion of a large object to a smaller portion of itself and you have an energy producing device. Such machines can be built for about $25 and are called cylinder and spheres machines.


Thanks for this I didn't realize this before! If you indeed can transfer the whole momentum around you can theoretically make as much excess energy as you like. The problem is building such a machine. Since momentum was formulated through collision experiments and wasn't meant for this kind of stuff. I'll check out your work.
Title: Re: What goes up must come down - some thoughts
Post by: dieter on September 03, 2008, 10:58:07 PM
pequaide, although I don't really understand your devices, the pictures are impressive and I appreciate to see somebody is actually doing somthing in the real world, and not only on plans.
Keep it up and make sure not to get smashed by the oil lobby. Although a new energy source may be the only way for mankind to persist in the near future, such an invention is pretty lethal for its inventor.