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Author Topic: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.  (Read 16921 times)

Offline icarus

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2010, 01:33:59 PM »
Hi Magluvin,
I think your concept is the same as the Torbays Magnet Motor from Agentina.
Take a look at the long thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=933.0

I tried a replication some years ago, but with neg results: too much friction.

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2010, 02:20:54 PM »
I had specified that this seesaw motor, Torbay, was the closest that I have seen to mine.
It is quite a difference though. To manipulate a stator magnet to move above and below the rotor, yes, it most likely does have a lot of friction or it just requires a lot of energy to do so. But here, we make use of both sides of all the magnets, and the magnet is the pivot point with a lever. If you were to build the simple setup in vids 1 and 2 and give it a go round, you will soon be looking for a way to get the rotor to switch that stator, much sooner than the torbay. =] Its actually hard to put it down. My brother was playing with it for a while and he does not really get into this stuff, but he saw the effect and knew what the possibilities were very quickly.
It is  different.

Mags

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2010, 07:12:51 PM »
I had specified that this seesaw motor, Torbay, was the closest that I have seen to mine.
It is quite a difference though. To manipulate a stator magnet to move above and below the rotor, yes, it most likely does have a lot of friction or it just requires a lot of energy to do so. But here, we make use of both sides of all the magnets, and the magnet is the pivot point with a lever. If you were to build the simple setup in vids 1 and 2 and give it a go round, you will soon be looking for a way to get the rotor to switch that stator, much sooner than the torbay. =] Its actually hard to put it down. My brother was playing with it for a while and he does not really get into this stuff, but he saw the effect and knew what the possibilities were very quickly.
It is  different.

Mags

@Magluvin;

I keep coming back to the original motor video.  I think it might behoove
you/us or whatever, to take one of your bearing magnet mounts and
the initial two magnet rotor. Then try to make a model airplane servo
mechanism (plus a computer) rotate the magnet in such a way that
makes the rotor go. See... this mechanism can do what humans do but
in a very consistant way on each rev., but it won't do what a human does
at first...then you can gate in enough behavior to make it work but control
how much servo momentum gets included with the rotor momentum. In
other words teach the mechanism how to do the task and learn how to
do make the wheel do it itself in the process. The slower you make the
rotation process the less energy it takes.

You will never get the wheel to work in overunity mode with this
arrangement of control (actually, I shouldn't say that ;)) due to
the input power required. But you will probably learn how close
you can get.

I feel that your third system tries to work by the old statement;
"Sell the product (energy) at discount but make it up in volume."
That doesn't ever work...Each rev. must power itself or make up
for the power that it took for that rev. Your first attempt is
actually closer to your goal then your last. Don't feel bad - engage
in the learning process.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2010, 07:12:51 PM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2010, 06:57:59 AM »
Ms
Some others also have told me that about using an electromechanical device to move the stator. But would it use less energy than the rotor in doing so? But you got me thinking. I and it seems many here like the concept, and thats great.
Maybe just a solenoid with a mag on the stator lever and just pulse it back and forth, with a little impulse.
But what I always end up with is the fact that once the stator is switched, it does not want to be in that position at the time. But once it gets to the position center between the rotor mags, the stator is attracted to the next rotor mag and the pressure on the latch is released, making the latch very easy to trigger for the next switch and so on.
I have thought this through pretty good. And it is good. ;] 

So lets say a geared servo. I think it would be too slow at switching. Or a servo like in a hard drive to move the read arm, this would require input to the servo from the beginning of the switch all the way till the stator is center between rotor mags, while the latch takes care of that portion of energy needed in my mechs.
Its hard to say really till its all been tried.

But for now I want to continue to pursue the all mechanical way, as that is the real deal.  =]

But I will accept any suggestions that may perform better than I have described above.  ;]

Thanks

Mags

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2010, 07:08:55 AM »
MS wrote

I feel that your third system
tries to work by the old statement;
"Sell the product (energy) at discount but make it up in volume."
That doesn't ever work...Each rev. must power itself or make up
for the power that it took for that rev. Your first attempt is
actually closer to your goal then your last. Don't feel bad - engage
in the learning process.


Much of the basis of the idea was to have the stator mags in a condition that the rotor mag that it is leaving is pushing it and the rotor mag that it is approaching is pulling it. So the rotor is receiving drive from all stator magnets at all times, even the stator that is being switched is still attracted to the rotor mag it is coming upon till the stator is half way through the switch, at which time the stator and rotor mag are as close and inline as they will ever get. And when the stator goes through its second half of the switch, it is already being repelled forward, and at some degree, all the way to the next rotor mag that the stator has to switch at also, and so on.
Once you get it all in your mind, you will see what Im saying. With what we have here, I think it is very close and logical to a working product.

Mags

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Re: Magluvins Magnet Motor MMM Being released for open source developement.
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Offline Magluvin

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Here is my new setup in 3d done in Cinema 4D.  I have pics of the real deal as shown, I just have to dig out my memory cards from the move. I can take some fresh pics, but I dont have the stator stands mounted, and havnt unpacked them yet.
Will get to it later today. 
Mags

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Doh!  Ok mem card is here.  =]

Mags

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Offline Magluvin

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The plexi rotor is 10 in. dia.  The pvc ring makes mags interchangeable with the rotor, of which these mags were funky, as in, they are not magnetized at center. I fiddled and fiddled, extracting them and rotating them to make it right, but I need to get new ones. This created a big imbalance. Some were way off and some were pretty good.
They were on sale but still cost quite a bit. N52  3/4 x 3/8 with so called black nickle coating. The stator mags were good, and if I had bought more of them they would have been excellent for the rotor also. But I only bought enough for each purpose. Im still shopping and questioning the distributors as to accuracy of flux bubbles. They all think im nuts.  :o
Ill do a vid on them as to how bad they really are. And I bet this is a concern for all magnet motors and people not realizing the problem. I should have listened to OC when he said go small.
Mags

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Hello Mags,

Any progress beyond this? Are you posting on another forum?

Cheers,


jwg

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