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Offline lanenal

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A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« on: August 23, 2008, 04:05:29 PM »
An Adams Motor that charges its own supply battery?! Any comments on this idea with its schematic?

Please see the attached schematic.

P.S.: This schematic uses Reed switches to illustrate the idea, but I don't see why other equivalent stuff can not be used instead as well.

P.P.S.: For some experiments on Adams Motor with Reed switches: http://www.mintakafulcrum.net/
« Last Edit: August 23, 2008, 05:06:01 PM by lanenal »

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A Self-Charging Adams Motor
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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 10:28:04 PM »
@lanenal

Hi,

You show a clever circuit, and this could be used for other circuits where you wish to switch a coil on and off (say an electromagnet from a battery)  and you will be able to capture the flyback pulse from the coil and add the pulse energy back to the same battery when you switch the current off with the switches. 

Did you design this circuit? I have not seen this published elsewhere yet.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 11:40:27 PM »
@Gyula

Thanks for the encouragement, and for your nice observations. This circuit (if it could be called one) was inspired by the schematic for Mk3.0 found at http://www.mintakafulcrum.net/. The original one charges another battery, so I played with the idea of charging the same one (at least you can save one, and my hope was that it would be easier to prove overunity as there were disputes on how to measure output). With this simple schematic, I wonder what would happen if the switching frequency reaches to the range of 100Hz-800Hz? Would that draw some ether energy into the system? :)

Anyway, I wish this to be out there into the public domain, and anyone who is interested can take a look, make their own adoptions, and play with it freely.

Have a good one,

lanenal

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 11:40:27 PM »
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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 12:02:33 AM »


 With this simple schematic, I wonder what would happen if the switching frequency reaches to the range of 100Hz-800Hz? Would that draw some ether energy into the system? :)


@lanenal

I cannot answer your question unfortunately, on drawing some ether energy... I do not know. 
But I am sure the change of frequency is always a good idea to find a "sweet point" somewhere in the f range because any coil with the given geometry it was just made surely have a preferred frequency where its properties are the best for a certain job, especially so for coils with ferromagnetic cores.  In case of Adams motor though the RPM so the frequency can be changed up to some value where mechanical properties of the rotor may suffer already and become a limiting factor.
 
If you have not seen it, have a look at this link for a schematic where a similar problem is shown solved with two coils from member BEP here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2831.msg41943.html#msg41943  He gave some explanation in that thread earlier in his Reply#20 on that schematics.

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 02:37:24 PM »
@Gyula

Very thoughtful comments, they are really helpful. Along this line of thought, one idea comes to my mind is to apply this thing to Dragone's schematic as shown in the attachments. Specifically, my circuit can be applied to the driving coils to save input energy, and further boost up the efficiency. Dragone's schematic reports a 200% efficiency originally. Now suppose we can manage to save 50% input energy by applying my circuit (of course, should replace the switching mechanism with something equivalent), then the efficiency should be doubled, ending up with 400%. Now let's be conservative, suppose in Dragone's original circuit there were no OU effect, but just a very high, almost 100% transformation (or just apply my circuit to a high efficiency transformer!). Then with the addition of energy savings with the application of my circuit, a 200% COP can be expected, yes? An almost sure OU device, eh? :)

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lanenal

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 12:35:24 AM »

... Dragone's schematic reports a 200% efficiency originally. Now suppose we can manage to save 50% input energy by applying my circuit (of course, should replace the switching mechanism with something equivalent), then the efficiency should be doubled, ending up with 400%. Now let's be conservative, suppose in Dragone's original circuit there were no OU effect, but just a very high, almost 100% transformation (or just apply my circuit to a high efficiency transformer!). Then with the addition of energy savings with the application of my circuit, a 200% COP can be expected, yes? An almost sure OU device, eh? :)


Hi,

Yes, you are right in your way of logical deducing it is almost sure OU device.  The stress is on the word 'almost' I think but one should be optimistic of course.   
By the way,  I have not seen a convincing test report on that Dragone setup's alleged OU performance, to date...  Bill Alek built it with all the bells and whistles that is all if I am not mistaken?

Keep the ideas coming!  ;)

Cheers,  Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 02:58:22 AM »
Yes, you are right in your way of logical deducing it is almost sure OU device.  The stress is on the word 'almost' I think but one should be optimistic of course.   
By the way,  I have not seen a convincing test report on that Dragone setup's alleged OU performance, to date...  Bill Alek built it with all the bells and whistles that is all if I am not mistaken?

Keep the ideas coming!  ;)

Cheers,  Gyula

Hi Gyula,

Thanks for thumbs up. And surely being cautious keeps it at balance -- probably only experiment will have the final say. I just read something from experimenters about Adams Motors, it seems not a good idea to feed back to the supply battery in certain configurations. Anyways, I am not sure if anybody reported here of successful Adams Motor replication? By reading the story of Robert Adams and his motor, I am almost sure it works (sorry, another 'almost', for I haven't seen one and built one myself -- I guess I need to learn a lot more to experiment).

Cheers,

lanenal

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 04:42:33 PM »
Hi  Lanenal,

There is a very good link to 10 pages, the author of which is also a member here, he is Hoptoad. It is worth going through page by page and on the last one, page 10, he shows an experiment, where (as he puts it) bending of  Lenz's Law happens.
This is his link: http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/

On this Forum you can see pulse motor topic that includes Adams motor too here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3318.0.html

Cheers, 
Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 10:22:25 PM »
Hi Gyula:

Thanks for the references, they are nice. I think Hoptoad is kind of suspicious on the OU property of Adams Motor, he definitely hadn't seen a successful replication the time he wrote that stuff. I found another guide by Harwood in the Encyclopaedia of free energy here: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/adamsmotor.htm , which boldly affirms the OU property.

Recently I was thinking about applying this self-charging circuit to Bendini's SSG (the Monopole or the Window motor), what do you think about this possibility?

Cheers,

lanenal

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 12:11:01 AM »
Here is how to apply the self-charging circuit to John Bedini's Monopole Energizer (or the SSG), feedbacks and comments are welcome.

Cheers,

lanenal
« Last Edit: September 03, 2008, 12:42:03 AM by lanenal »

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 09:31:10 AM »
I can't see the gate of M1 steering M1 at all or am I missing something?

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 10:58:37 AM »
I can't see the gate of M1 steering M1 at all or am I missing something?

Yes, it should be modified I think. The collector of Q1 is to be connected directly to the gate of M1, (the gate of M1 should not be connected to anywhere else but the collector) and there should be no connection from the collector to M1's any other two legs (that presently seen horizontal wire from collector to M1 should be cut). This way the voltage drop across the collector resistor R1 will directly control the gate.

By the way M1 is a P-channel device I wonder?

Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 05:49:24 PM »
Yes, it should be modified I think. The collector of Q1 is to be connected directly to the gate of M1, (the gate of M1 should not be connected to anywhere else but the collector) and there should be no connection from the collector to M1's any other two legs (that presently seen horizontal wire from collector to M1 should be cut). This way the voltage drop across the collector resistor R1 will directly control the gate.

By the way M1 is a P-channel device I wonder?


Yes, I think you are right: both M1 and M2 should be P-channel devices. Note that R1 and R2 are supposed to be of very high resistance compared to L1, their main purpose is to raise enough voltage when Q1 switches to the ON state (When Q1 is in the OFF state, the gate voltage should be close to zero, yes?), for the gates of M1 and M2.

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 11:38:36 PM »
hi,

Well, I do not think M2 should be p channel...   it should be n channel and M1 can be p channel, this is how I understand such switches in your configuration.  The best would be for you to test this circuit if you could afford the time, sorry, I cannot now.
And also please modify the schematics on connecting M1's gate to the collector instead of the positive wire (the question from Tink).

Let's try discussing this circuit, though mostly you have written it correctly in the text under your schematics. Q1, M1 and M2 are off state and the approaching magnet induces voltage / current in L1-L2,  Q1 switches on and so do M1 and M2,  current is able to flow from the battery through L1, its flux kicks the passing magnet away from L1-L2.  Let me stop here for a moment: transistor Q1 will be switched off anyway around the time the magnet is kicked out because its base-emitter cannot get any positive bias from anywhere else,  but it is still good if the base-emitter gets an extra switch off bias from L1's flyback pulse and this induces a counter current in L2, if so,  this helps Q1 quickly reach and remain off state until the next magnet approaches again.

Regarding the values of R1 and R2, if you choose both to be say 1kOhm and let the collector current of Q1 to be 5mA, then the voltage drop on both is 5V and this 5V usually is enough to open the power MOSFETs (their usual threshold voltage is between 3-4-5V and there are special types with even lower switch-on thresholds, both in p and n channel polarities).

So in case M1 is p channel type, its source will be tied to the battery positive wire, its drain will go to L1-D4 common point and its gate directly goes to Q1 collector.  And let M2  an n channel type, its drain goes to L1-D3 common point, its source goes to battery negative wire and its gate goes to R2 as shown.  By using the two differing polarity types for M1, M2, their so called body diodes (that internally exist between the drain-source electrodes of each) will block each other should any unwanted induced current start flowing through them. 

Now the question remains: will this be overunity? Well if you think the original circuit has got at least 80-90% efficiency without your regaining the flyback pulse energy, then the possibility is open for ou with your circuit at least to keep the battery in a charged up state, to keep it at a level where its terminal voltage is kept more or less constant for a long time. This would already show sure ou...
Do not forget the rotating wheel with the magnets also produces work and somehow it ought to be utilized in the overall efficiency quest.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: A Self-Charging Adams Motor
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 02:21:35 PM »
This guy clames to have modded an adams motor and it ran for 25 hours on a D cell battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcl3enEqqk

 

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