Author Topic: A Self-Charging Adams Motor (Read 49183 times)

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2009, 12:24:11 AM »

Quote from: lanenal on September 03, 2008, 12:11:01 AM

Here is how to apply the self-charging circuit to John Bedini's Monopole Energizer (or the SSG), feedbacks and comments are welcome.

Cheers,

lanenal

Pardon my intromission on this thread, but I am looking for an answer to get feedback to the source battery. On the graphic shown here there is an apparent resistor between R2 and Q1. If it must be there, what is its value?

Jesus

gyulasun · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2009, 12:55:19 AM »

Jesus,

I can only give an "educated guess" which is you could try first around 47 or 100 Ohm and see any bad or good effect. It creates a negative feedback in the emmitter, so the higher its value the more it works against the approximate unity gain of Q1 (unity gain because of R1=R2 chosen). Also it may give some (little) separation to the induced voltage in L2 with respect to the gate control voltage of M2. And do not be surprised if you find there is little or no any effect of the resistor so you may omit it as well and short circuit its place. So start with a 47 Ohm.

Note the drawing error, gate of M1 should go to the collector of Q1 and not tied to the positive rail at all. Also the polarity of the MOSFETs as I wrote last year above, it still sounds good to me...

I hope member lanenal reappears here too.

rgds, Gyula

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:33:50 AM »

Quote from: gyulasun on January 06, 2009, 12:55:19 AM

Jesus,

I can only give an "educated guess" which is you could try first around 47 or 100 Ohm and see any bad or good effect. It creates a negative feedback in the emmitter, so the higher its value the more it works against the approximate unity gain of Q1 (unity gain because of R1=R2 chosen). Also it may give some (little) separation to the induced voltage in L2 with respect to the gate control voltage of M2. And do not be surprised if you find there is little or no any effect of the resistor so you may omit it as well and short circuit its place. So start with a 47 Ohm.

Note the drawing error, gate of M1 should go to the collector of Q1 and not tied to the positive rail at all. Also the polarity of the MOSFETs as I wrote last year above, it still sounds good to me...
I hope member lanenal reappears here too.

rgds, Gyula

Thank you @gyulasun

Would you be so kind as to draw on the graphic included how to make the connections you recommend?
Also, Are the Mosfet numbers the correct polarity needed?

Jesus

gyulasun · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:12:11 PM »

Jesus,

I modified the schematic as I think it is correct from circuit theory point of view, of course I cannot say it is overunity because it utilizes the flayback pulse energy of the coils just like in the original Bedini circuit, the difference is the regained energy feeds the same source battery, not a separate one. You may also think on the question of charging and discharging a battery at the same time but do not be discouraged: the rate of discharge of the battery should slow down by this feedback!
The type of the P-channel MOSFET I indicated has an 55V maximum breakdown voltage, you may try to search for heftier types, though the 100-150V types have got higher drain-source ON resistance. If you do not operate the circuit without diodes D3 and D4, then the flyback pulse amplitude may not go harmfully high due to the continuos load from the battery.
Diode types are fast or ultrafast rectifiers like UF4001 (not 1N4001) to catch most of the flyback energy.

rgds, Gyula

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2009, 03:44:02 PM »

Quote from: gyulasun on January 06, 2009, 01:12:11 PM

Jesus,

I modified the schematic as I think it is correct from circuit theory point of view, of course I cannot say it is overunity because it utilizes the flayback pulse energy of the coils just like in the original Bedini circuit, the difference is the regained energy feeds the same source battery, not a separate one. You may also think on the question of charging and discharging a battery at the same time but do not be discouraged: the rate of discharge of the battery should slow down by this feedback!
The type of the P-channel MOSFET I indicated has an 55V maximum breakdown voltage, you may try to search for heftier types, though the 100-150V types have got higher drain-source ON resistance. If you do not operate the circuit without diodes D3 and D4, then the flyback pulse amplitude may not go harmfully high due to the continuos load from the battery.
Diode types are fast or ultrafast rectifiers like UF4001 (not 1N4001) to catch most of the flyback energy.

rgds, Gyula

I am asking you permission to post this diagram as it is shown here on my thread as a reference of a possible selfrun circuit. Can I?

Jesus

gyulasun · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2009, 04:29:13 PM »

Hi Jesus,

You can post it but I do not think this circuit is overunity, maximum a near unity COP of 0.9 or say 0.99 if you consider the mechanical torque the rotor with the magnets represent.

So please do not call it a possible selfrun circuit, ok? I wish it were ou...

rgds, Gyula

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:31:38 PM »

Quote from: gyulasun on January 06, 2009, 04:29:13 PM

Hi Jesus,

You can post it but I do not think this circuit is overunity, maximum a near unity COP of 0.9 or say 0.99 if you consider the mechanical torque the rotor with the magnets represent.

So please do not call it a possible selfrun circuit, ok? I wish it were ou...

rgds, Gyula

Thank you @gyulasun
I will post it as a feedback to the source reference circuit.

Jesus

lanenal · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2009, 04:15:54 AM »

Gyula & Jesus:

You guys did a really good job in collaboration and made the circuit looking really good!

I found a few small changes might be in order to make it work, which I have made modifications in it and attached the new circuit.

To make this work, some fine tuning will be needed to ensure that the two MOSFETs open and close simultaneously. Also note that half cycle of the trigger coil also get fed into the battery and that extra energy can get saved.

But, as Gyula already said, we don't fully understand Bedini circuit yet, so we don't know if OU is possible with this circuit.

lanenal

Quote from: gyulasun on January 06, 2009, 01:12:11 PM

Jesus,

I modified the schematic as I think it is correct from circuit theory point of view, of course I cannot say it is overunity because it utilizes the flayback pulse energy of the coils just like in the original Bedini circuit, the difference is the regained energy feeds the same source battery, not a separate one. You may also think on the question of charging and discharging a battery at the same time but do not be discouraged: the rate of discharge of the battery should slow down by this feedback!
The type of the P-channel MOSFET I indicated has an 55V maximum breakdown voltage, you may try to search for heftier types, though the 100-150V types have got higher drain-source ON resistance. If you do not operate the circuit without diodes D3 and D4, then the flyback pulse amplitude may not go harmfully high due to the continuos load from the battery.
Diode types are fast or ultrafast rectifiers like UF4001 (not 1N4001) to catch most of the flyback energy.

rgds, Gyula

gyulasun · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2009, 01:46:09 PM »

Hi Lanenal,

Thanks for the modifications, I agree with them, unfortunately I did not notice the diode polarity was wrong...

If I recall correctly, Bedini has never stated his (original) circuit is OU but he calls it "radiant energy" (which is thought to be coming out together with the captured flyback pulse in his circuit or the flyback pulse itself) that makes positive effects in the charged batteries, it is a chemical effect inside the batteries that happens after several charge/discharge cycles of treatments by his circuit.

rgds, Gyula

nievesoliveras · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2009, 01:56:47 PM »

Quote from: lanenal on January 26, 2009, 04:15:54 AM

Gyula & Jesus:

You guys did a really good job in collaboration and made the circuit looking really good!

I found a few small changes might be in order to make it work, which I have made modifications in it and attached the new circuit.

To make this work, some fine tuning will be needed to ensure that the two MOSFETs open and close simultaneously. Also note that half cycle of the trigger coil also get fed into the battery and that extra energy can get saved.

But, as Gyula already said, we don't fully understand Bedini circuit yet, so we don't know if OU is possible with this circuit.

lanenal

Than you @lanenal!
Then the resistor will be variable or a pot and the diode goes the other way. That is okay with me.

By the way I was trying to get feedback to the source on one circuit I built and yesterday it blew up on an experiment I did.

Jesus

noonespecial · « **Reply #25 on:** January 26, 2009, 02:36:42 PM »

Is it possible to identify the values of the other components to have a complete schematic?

Thanks,
Charlie

gyulasun · « **Reply #26 on:** January 26, 2009, 03:11:31 PM »

Quote from: noonespecial on January 26, 2009, 02:36:42 PM

Is it possible to identify the values of the other components to have a complete schematic?

Thanks,
Charlie

Hi noonespecial,

This is Lanenal's circuit, I hope he returns to you too.

As a hint, see my reply # 13 and 16 on the resistors values, potmeter R3 can be say 4.7 - 22 kOhm to adjust base current, depends on induced current in L2.

rgds, Gyula

lanenal · « **Reply #27 on:** January 26, 2009, 03:30:43 PM »

Hi Guyla,

Glad we all agree with the modifications, as for the errors, they are all mine in the first place, thank you guys for sorting them out and for making fantastic corrections and improvements.

As for the OU of the Bedini SSG, It is the best write up I have found on the theory behind the SSG

http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Bedini.pdf

Which states in its abstract that "The system becomes an open system far from thermodynamic equilibrium in its vacuum exchange, and permissibly produces COP > 1.0."

hope this help. (One more thing: if Beardon's theory is correct, then we might want to take out C1, when the OU happens in the battery).

@Jesus: thanks for the redone of the circuit, looks tidy!

lanenal

Quote from: gyulasun on January 26, 2009, 01:46:09 PM

Hi Lanenal,

Thanks for the modifications, I agree with them, unfortunately I did not notice the diode polarity was wrong...

If I recall correctly, Bedini has never stated his (original) circuit is OU but he calls it "radiant energy" (which is thought to be coming out together with the captured flyback pulse in his circuit or the flyback pulse itself) that makes positive effects in the charged batteries, it is a chemical effect inside the batteries that happens after several charge/discharge cycles of treatments by his circuit.

rgds, Gyula

lanenal · « **Reply #28 on:** January 26, 2009, 03:58:54 PM »

Hi noonespecial:

thanks for your interest. R1, R2 will be similar (notice the thing here: they are in serial, and the current flowing in them should be almost identical, and the voltage over them are used to switch the two MOSFETs), so that they can switch off the MOSFETs simultaneously. They can be quite big (to save energy), I would suggest values range between 5k-10k ohms, but you can experiment with it. The Pot R3 roughly agrees with Guyla's suggestion, but once again, no hard numbers. Finally, the pot that was not labelled is not essential for low voltage batteries, unless the voltage of the battery is really high (this pot allows you to play with higher voltages by keeping the voltages on R1 and R2 low).

I think Guyla might also be able to give you some further comments on this, I am grateful for his help and advices on improving this circuit.

lanenal

Quote from: noonespecial on January 26, 2009, 02:36:42 PM

Is it possible to identify the values of the other components to have a complete schematic?

Thanks,
Charlie

guruji · « **Reply #29 on:** June 15, 2010, 08:44:07 PM »

Did anyone build that circuit? Is it good?
Any part names?
Thanks

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