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Title: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: Michelinho on August 10, 2008, 05:38:22 AM


Hi everyone,

This forum had my brain working overtimes during my short two weeks membership. I am greatful to all of you that stimulated my grey cells. Free energy search is only about a year old in my case, but not the search of knowledge.

Last spring, after reading the Works of Howard Johnson mapping the magnetic vortices, I decided to look at how vortex behave in nature, air with watching tornado clips and water with clips of water vortex machines. As I was responding to a fellow member's post, I realized the potential of what I had just writen before my eyes. Maybe it is the edge we need to see new results.

We use attraction and repulsion to run our magnetic replications.

How can we get this edge that enables us to make a step forward?

We need mirror image magnets. I have not seen advertizing or availability of such in my usual supplier's listings.

I have a memory of a part of  something I read before but not to whom it refers. It could relate. Young minds come forward, my cells are old.

"About a company being very reluctant in producing a batch of special magnets for Mr X, is it because the specifications were for mirror image magnets?" Polarity inversion on industrial machines could be labor intensive or expensive (a guess).

Mirror image magnets should give an edge in the right direction. Could we have the most popular sizes of magnets used in magnetic motor replications available in mirror sets?

Should we look in that direction?

In a Bedini, I wonder if the 1/2 turn rotation of a coil with a rectangular core on magnets aligned in mirror image position on the SSG rotor. It could be an easy way to investigate.

Happy thinking,

Michel

 
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: 0c on August 10, 2008, 04:51:50 PM
We need mirror image magnets. I have not seen advertizing or availability of such in my usual supplier's listings.

I have a memory of a part of  something I read before but not to whom it refers. It could relate. Young minds come forward, my cells are old.

"About a company being very reluctant in producing a batch of special magnets for Mr X, is it because the specifications were for mirror image magnets?" Polarity inversion on industrial machines could be labor intensive or expensive (a guess).

Mirror image magnets should give an edge in the right direction. Could we have the most popular sizes of magnets used in magnetic motor replications available in mirror sets?

Michel, I'm having some difficulty visualizing what you mean by "mirror image". Can you possibly make a drawing to compare a normal magnet with a mirror image magnet?
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: Michelinho on August 10, 2008, 06:28:13 PM

Read up on Howard Johnson's work regarding the mapping of the magnetic vortices found at magnet poles.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson (http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson)
and
http://aias.us/documents/otherPapers/Johnson-Magnets.pdf (http://aias.us/documents/otherPapers/Johnson-Magnets.pdf)
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: 0c on August 11, 2008, 02:23:16 AM
Read up on Howard Johnson's work regarding the mapping of the magnetic vortices found at magnet poles.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson (http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson)
and
http://aias.us/documents/otherPapers/Johnson-Magnets.pdf (http://aias.us/documents/otherPapers/Johnson-Magnets.pdf)

I am familiar with Howard's work and both the documents you reference. I cannot find any reference to mirror image magnets anywhere there. If you are looking for magnets with 2 north poles and no south poles, good luck. If you want magnets with a strong, concentrated north pole and a weak, diffuse south pole, check out Halbach arrays.

If you will illustrate your mirror image magnet concept, maybe someone here can be more helpful.
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: Michelinho on August 11, 2008, 10:49:20 AM

Hi,

According to Howard's work each pole of a magnet produces two vortices that reenter the magnet in its center; a "North" vortex and a "South" vortex. What he also tells us is that the "North" magnetic vortex is of equal potential on each of the magnetic poles of the magnet. The difference between the North pole and the South pole is on the North pole of the magnet, the "South" pole vortex is weak and in the "South" pole of the magnet, the "South" pole vortex is strong.

In a rectangular magnet each end being "North" and "South" we should get:

On the North Pole:

The magnetic doughnut, formed by the strong "North" vortex and the weak "South" vortex, is big because of that weak "South" vortex doesn't keep the two intertwined for long and the angle of entry in the magnet is steep( forcing a big loop on half of the magnet and a shallower form on the other half. It is reentering in the same direction and at the same entry point as the strong "South" vortex on the South pole and so repel themselved in the narrow the entry gap like 2 long anti vortices sucking them in to the center of the magnet.

We also know from Howard's work that the North pole of the magnet is better at repelling and the South pole better at attracting. (From the farther reach of the big "North" doughnut having little opposition)

On the South Pole:

The magnetic doughnuts are much flatter and wider.  It has to be so because two strong vortices coming out of the magnet poles, attract and repel themselves and stay coherent longer than a strong with a weak vortex. A more violent change of direction toward the center of the magnet forming a flat "South" vortex overflowing the diverted strong "North" vortex.

Howard tells us here that the South pole is better at attraction and also stronger than a North pole. That still matches.

Howard also tells us that the 2 vortices are not centered at the pole and from that, we can deduce that most of 2 adjoining sides will have a "North" tendency and  and the last two an opposite "South" tendency. The vortex will also have a tendency to reenter closer to the side it is aligned with and be malformed accordingly.

Take 2 of the above described magnets, and turn one around so both North poles face.  1/2 turn, the repulsion will be stronger or weaker and another half a turn will produce the opposite effect . The repulsion will be slightly sideways  because the vortices are malformed sideways.   (Vortices alignment will never match.)

Take those 2 magnets but mirror, you oppose identical vortex formations, in attraction and repulsion where it is most needed.


That sounds clear to me but I don't know if it will make it more understandable. In a few words, mirror image magnets will oppose identical pole vortex formations and side tendency perfectly. Maximum repulsion or attraction.

That was a long post to do...

Take care,

Michel




Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: 0c on August 12, 2008, 05:30:16 AM
Michel,

I now see what you mean. However, I have never been able to detect where a weaker pole vortex might exist. In fact, if there actually are dual vortexes, I think they may "float" and change location based on influences from surrounding, ambient fields.

Can you describe a procedure that can reliably detect just where the weaker or stronger vortex might be, without having to invest in expensive and sophisticated equipment to do it?
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: Michelinho on August 12, 2008, 06:39:17 AM


Hi,

You can feel this just with 2 magnets facing each others repelling or attracting when approached from one side or the other. Also try to oppose identical poles and then flip the magnet 1/2 a turn and try again. Do not hold the magnets too tightly (also sideways). You can also do it with a gaussmeter with a remote probe.

Take care,

Michel
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: Michelinho on August 12, 2008, 07:02:08 AM


I like  the old guards which made all those dreams running this and other forums. I've studied some of their works and at one time or another, it will come home to roust.

It is strange that all those great men think that the magnetic process involves basic particles spinning right or left according to their polarity. I just overlooked Newman's theory and Howard Johnson's data and if I melt both together I get: a magnet is a N "balls" inertial pendulum. The "balls" come out but have to come back to those of the same angular momentum kicking out another one in the process. The flow becomes the magnetic flux. When one loses its angular momentum, it shoots out never to return. The magnet slowly demagnetize.

So many possibilities,

Michel
Title: Re: A successful magnetic motor needs something special.
Post by: 0c on August 12, 2008, 08:02:09 AM

Hi,

You can feel this just with 2 magnets facing each others repelling or attracting when approached from one side or the other. Also try to oppose identical poles and then flip the magnet 1/2 a turn and try again. Do not hold the magnets too tightly (also sideways). You can also do it with a gaussmeter with a remote probe.

Take care,

Michel

I can detect a slight difference between the corners and the flat edges, but no difference from side to side or corner to corner. Maybe my sense of touch is not sensitive enough. I don't have a gaussmeter and cannot justify one at this time.