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Grumpy

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2008, 02:28:31 AM »
@Grumpy

I understand completely. You know what my RE "detector" is? My hand.... (may sound stupid, but true.)

For instance, I was messing with the base drive system of my replication of EM's device, adjusting the frequency trimmer pot, when my hand started to "prickle" sting. I checked with my scope probes, and sure enough, the trannies emitter signal was going ape. I am starting to wonder if the effect is coming from the npn junction itself, in that negatively biasing the p junction is making some form of a N(PN)N effect. Basically the effect of the transistor, amplified by the coils. I dont know, just guessing.

It frustrates me that there is entirely too much cr** where we end up "just guessing".... Grrrrrr.....

It also frustrates me when guesses are treated as truth. (Physics in general, including the professional, amature, "inventors", and "new" idealists. This seems to be a common HUMAN thing.)

Paul Andrulis

The hand has long been an easy detector - just keep it out of any nasty field action.  I have found several references - some dating back almost 100 years even - that connect our nervous system to the aether - that is to say that it is popularly believed that our nervous system is not entirely based on electromagnetism.  So, don't take any chances.

Next time you get the prickly stuff, take a cap, add a wire to each leg about 10 feet long - you can roll them up but keep from shorting, and charge to 45v give or take a few.  If you are stimulating the "medium" where the wires are positioned - the voltage of the cap will slowly rise - look up the Rontgen Effect - change in dielectric between opposite charges produces a current - "medium" is a dielectric - that simple.

Another thing that makes Tesla and other's work hard to understand is attempting to apply what they were doing to anther purpose - like applying Tesla's magnifier technology to the TPU - distantly similar but not the same thing.  Tesla was transmitting energy to other places - not making a TPU.  Perhaps he made a similar device later in his life.

In the end, you have to ask yourself what you want.  Is it communication with distant worlds? an electric car without batteries? freedom from utilities?  better lighting at little or no cost?  a flying craft that reverses gravity?  high motive force in a small package with little input energy?

All of these things are related.  You just have to be willing to travel down a road that few ever tread, where the answers have to be found and are not readily understood, and where blind faith and intuition is, more often than not, your guide.

What do you want, Paul?

EDIT:

Correction it is called the "Rontgen current" - not "effect" (also spelled Roentgen)

EDIT-2:
Correct spelling is: "R?ntgen current"
« Last Edit: August 14, 2008, 02:52:27 AM by Grumpy »

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 05:07:13 AM »
I came across this very interesting commentary on globalization and the new world order power struggles emerging, as I'm trying to understand what the Russians are doing in Georgia.  Very interesting perspectives !

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6365

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 06:06:50 AM »
@Grumpy

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In the end, you have to ask yourself what you want.  Is it communication with distant worlds? an electric car without batteries? freedom from utilities?  better lighting at little or no cost?  a flying craft that reverses gravity?  high motive force in a small package with little input energy?

Good question, "What do I want...."

As to your list;

1. I have no desire to communicate with other worlds. (Don't know anyone there.)
2. Electric car without batteries... (Sounds good to me, though I don't care if it has a small battery in it.)
3. Better lighting at little or no cost... (Sure)
4. freedom from utilities... (You hit the nail right on the head. Main Goal.)
5. Flying craft that reverses gravity... (I am afraid of heights.)
6. High motive force in a small package with little input energy..... (Sure. Would be handy.)


I have come across some effects I call "interesting". However, this is just a personal reaction.

My first goal, which I am close to completion, is to understanding exactly why SM's device works,
        therefore not killing myself or others in the process.
Goal 2 is to replicate said device, which is the easy part with understanding.
Goal 3 is to make it completely safe, as much as is possible with K.I.S.S. safety devices.
Goal 4 is to improve upon the design and work out all bugs.
Goal 5 is to simplify the design, and increase its efficiency, as simple is reliable. Less parts and functions, less that WILL go wrong. (something ALWAYS breaks down eventually.)

What is worse, these goals are ALL attainable, so long as I attack them in order. I could, quite literally, "replicate till I drop" with absolutely no success. These five goals pretty much guarantee success.

Each goal, by the way, is a "main goal" in itself, with little "attainable" goals like ducks in a row to achieve the main goal, or maybe more like a program flow chart......

After the TPU? I don't know, probably the Steven Meyers H2O system for vehicles. (I will have electricity for heat, etc...) I am not EVEN interested in the "nasty" stuff. I will not say wea*ons, for obvious reasons.

Concerning patent 381,970, build this device, and ignore the example A.C. generator. Build a 10w Tesla Coil and separate from the secondary using capacitive plates........... You get the drift. Then you can tell me 381,970 is a toy...  ;D (You will find out why it is titled "System Of Electrical Distribution", and not "An Improvement in Transformer Technology".)

By the way, the working "headpiece" of the *****ray WAS patented. I tripped across it. I would not have even looked at this patent otherwise, but I came across a reference from Tesla to the patent somewhere, (I believe his autobiography but am not sure), and checked out the patent, which had a mild innocuous title. The simplicity is stunning. The product.................. (That boys imagination was a dangerous thing.)

Paul Andrulis


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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 04:21:48 PM »
@Grumpy

Good question, "What do I want...."

As to your list;

2. Electric car without batteries... (Sounds good to me, though I don't care if it has a small battery in it.)
3. Better lighting at little or no cost... (Sure)
4. freedom from utilities... (You hit the nail right on the head. Main Goal.)
6. High motive force in a small package with little input energy..... (Sure. Would be handy.)

My first goal, which I am close to completion, is to understanding exactly why SM's device works,
        therefore not killing myself or others in the process.
Goal 2 is to replicate said device, which is the easy part with understanding.
Goal 3 is to make it completely safe, as much as is possible with K.I.S.S. safety devices.
Goal 4 is to improve upon the design and work out all bugs.
Goal 5 is to simplify the design, and increase its efficiency, as simple is reliable. Less parts and functions, less that WILL go wrong. (something ALWAYS breaks down eventually.)

What is worse, these goals are ALL attainable, so long as I attack them in order. I could, quite literally, "replicate till I drop" with absolutely no success. These five goals pretty much guarantee success.

Each goal, by the way, is a "main goal" in itself, with little "attainable" goals like ducks in a row to achieve the main goal, or maybe more like a program flow chart......

After the TPU? I don't know, probably the Steven Meyers H2O system for vehicles. (I will have electricity for heat, etc...) I am not EVEN interested in the "nasty" stuff. I will not say wea*ons, for obvious reasons.

Concerning patent 381,970, build this device, and ignore the example A.C. generator. Build a 10w Tesla Coil and separate from the secondary using capacitive plates........... You get the drift. Then you can tell me 381,970 is a toy...  ;D (You will find out why it is titled "System Of Electrical Distribution", and not "An Improvement in Transformer Technology".)

By the way, the working "headpiece" of the *****ray WAS patented. I tripped across it. I would not have even looked at this patent otherwise, but I came across a reference from Tesla to the patent somewhere, (I believe his autobiography but am not sure), and checked out the patent, which had a mild innocuous title. The simplicity is stunning. The product.................. (That boys imagination was a dangerous thing.)

Paul Andrulis

Are you trying to say that 381,970 runs with gain?   If so, I'd like to see that.

Freedom from util-ies - and an electric auto - let's look at that a minute:

about 5kw to run your home = 1 unit a 5kw

about 20kw to run a car at a decent pace = 4 units at 5 kw

straight out of the gate - our energy needs are great and we have a hard row to hoe (old farm saying) - fiddling around with a few watts is a long way from Oz.

I still think that first order of business is to either see the "kick" or to see "magnification" - which are related.  This anomoly is in the realm of the unidirectional impulse and the dielectric.

If you looked up the Roentgen Current - you see this is forgotten in history.   TEsla mentined once that Sommerfeld had written a triatise that proved he was correct. 

So, we can either take the bifilar with iron delay approach - and I thnk we need several feet of iron wire and patience to trim it - or we go straight to the coil of high-self-induction and excite it. 

Take your pick and let's get to work - we are not getting any younger.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 06:39:14 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 07:17:41 PM »
@"System Of Electrical Distribution",
He's not talking about going down a wire. The bucking operation creates huge 'potential' spikes. We like to call RE. That is how the patents are connected in the background and not lines on paper.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2008, 04:15:20 AM »
In patent 381970, it reads

 " Besides the currents generated in the secondary coils by dynamo-magnetic induction other currents will be set up in the same coils in consequence of any variations in the intensity of the poles on ring A (the core). This should be avoided by maintaining the intensity of the poles constant, to accomplish which care should be taken in designing and proportioning the generator and in distributing the coils in the ring A and balancing their effect. When this is done, the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments. "


Now what are these other currents that should be avoided?
What happens if you don't maintain the intensity? Is it dangerous?
I think I read somewhere SM mentioning AC plus hash. Is this the hash?

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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 11:30:19 PM »
In patent 381970, it reads

 " Besides the currents generated in the secondary coils by dynamo-magnetic induction other currents will be set up in the same coils in consequence of any variations in the intensity of the poles on ring A (the core). This should be avoided by maintaining the intensity of the poles constant, to accomplish which care should be taken in designing and proportioning the generator and in distributing the coils in the ring A and balancing their effect. When this is done, the currents are produced by dynamo-magnetic induction only, the same result being obtained as though the the poles were shifted by a commutator with an infinite number of segments. "


Now what are these other currents that should be avoided?
What happens if you don't maintain the intensity? Is it dangerous?
I think I read somewhere SM mentioning AC plus hash. Is this the hash?

You got it, bud!
The idea is to maintain a perfectly even magnetic field so that at the rotational speed with the concentric fields the flux crosses the inductor at a calculated distribution. Smooth potential. Spurious fluxations represent a change in speed i.e spikes. This higher energy can affect the process. This also can create dead zones in your output. We want one type of continous controlled vector alignment. Think Hubbard coil, Hamel, Searl.
My 390721x3layer is a radius of 4 inches. Thank God for that. The more mass with equal level rise in energy would have been shear catastophy at the human level. I want to do what Tesla did and not experience getting blown off my feet or RE bullets flying through my space.

Check the Chris Angel video where he shorts the T-coil to ground through a chain mail suite. They show the T-coil on the generator chasis. They used 1/2 inch copper tubing for the pancake primary with a wind diameter of 4 feet. At that potential and field density his ankles were conductors. In other words, the insulator in the chain mail suite diminished in diameter to 4 inches. The magnetic field saw the chain mail and human flesh as one conductor. And being at a distance of 5-6 inches (ankle height) just above ground puts the conduction path in phase. He broke his foot from the kinetic hit. Similar to the shock at the end of one wire. Idiot. Thats like wrapping yourself in aluminum foil thinking you can play with the marshmallows in the campfire.

--giantkiller. Think about it.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2008, 04:04:48 PM »
Hello you wonderful friends of Free Energy
Now it seems its on its way
Here is the new fuel cell that converts to electricity without any moving parts - no machinery free electricity
http://www.genepax.co.jp/en/mechanism/system.html

Genepax is the name of a small electric car that runs with these new cells.Amazing if this works

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2008, 03:24:13 PM »
Hello,

     it's clear that a rotating magnetic field with a lot of speed, will cause some kind of gravitomagnetic effect and energy generation. Since 2 years I follow people who are trying to replicate that SM thing.
     
    It is clear for that:

1. Rotational magnetic field with very high speed of electrons causes this effect.
2. A lot of high voltage is need for the first start of this device, I don't think 12v is enough, 100v or much.
3. At least three magnetic pulse, i mean vertical magnetic coils.
4. For the output, there should be a very high quality regulator which will collect some energy for back feeding.

   Unfortunately, so many people replicated this device, have tested it with a very low input voltage on coils, it is better to use very high voltages around 100v and 200v to test it, than a reasonable kick can be seen.

   One of overunity threads, I have seen an old TV schematic, which has a toroidal shape, TPU like unit at the center, But I can't find it again. If some body has can you send it?

    A small note: Tesla used lamps during their tests. We are still using transistors, MOSFETs? Those devices are slow comparing to lamps. I think Lindsay had a good reason why she tells this thing.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2008, 04:17:50 PM »
Hello,

     it's clear that a rotating magnetic field with a lot of speed, will cause some kind of gravitomagnetic effect and energy generation. Since 2 years I follow people who are trying to replicate that SM thing.
     
    It is clear for that:

1. Rotational magnetic field with very high speed of electrons causes this effect.
2. A lot of high voltage is need for the first start of this device, I don't think 12v is enough, 100v or much.
3. At least three magnetic pulse, i mean vertical magnetic coils.
4. For the output, there should be a very high quality regulator which will collect some energy for back feeding.

   Unfortunately, so many people replicated this device, have tested it with a very low input voltage on coils, it is better to use very high voltages around 100v and 200v to test it, than a reasonable kick can be seen.

   One of overunity threads, I have seen an old TV schematic, which has a toroidal shape, TPU like unit at the center, But I can't find it again. If some body has can you send it?

    A small note: Tesla used lamps during their tests. We are still using transistors, MOSFETs? Those devices are slow comparing to lamps. I think Lindsay had a good reason why she tells this thing.


 ;D

my cold bottles will remain cold a wile yet ;)

ist!  8)

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2008, 03:52:57 AM »
Hello,

I think Large Capacitors on SM's tpu are not for output regulation, they are used for firing collector coils.

IST we are not wile!
 ;)

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2008, 10:41:31 PM »
Spherics states that:
A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal. I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals.

Let's try!

After making tests with the circuit simulator, I can see the kicks covering both peaks. It seems to be the key.