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innovation_station

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TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« on: August 09, 2008, 05:02:40 PM »
the pattend GK posted  8)

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf

this is a builders thred  i will start the transformer today ...

i will post my pics and all are welcome to post there work here too  :)

ist

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 05:50:09 PM »
What is built must driven...

--giantkiller.


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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 11:54:06 PM »
yes mast see the   pdf    sheme   yes   that sheme is  from ,< fathere and master of  elktrics  >


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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 02:40:02 AM »
the main part of this is the transformer here he teaches us how to convert hv re to useable output....

i finished a 6 " 50' reel of garden wire wound as a core from dollarramma for 1 buck and i then seperated it into 4 with 4 zip ties then i wound my tuned wires on it i used 11.3 grams of 22 ga for my first primary ..  and 2' of 14ga romex as my secondary ...  they both weignh 11.3 grams each then the next coil is 24 ga the same 11.3 grams the one after that is agin 11.3 grams of 28ga...  and the last coil is 22 ga bifillar and 14 ga romex bilillar....

just if you all wonder why i did this it is simple ....   i want to know what is the best gage  to use  and the best fit for the size of the ring ...

also i wanted a test tranny to play with ...

i am building right away another 1 or 2  ;)  i will stick with 10 grams for ease of mesurements ... in future 6 " coils  i will use 28 ga primaries....

i will post a pic when my batteries are recharged for my cam

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2008, 04:03:25 AM »
here is my transformer i just wound....

i numbered the wire gages

ist

 :)

ok so in thinking about this transformer i just made it seams in my mind anyways it will not get hot wile in operation   i could be wrong but if it is cold engery flying throught my primaries witch are the higher gage wires as the pattend indicates... then it will convert the cold engery to magnetic engery and  and will be transfered to the secondary if it is wired as showen in the pattend then it may well rotate wile in operation...

from hv plused dc or cap discharge  or spark gap...


tesla also states some where that plused ac or dc of hv can be used ....
« Last Edit: August 10, 2008, 04:38:25 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 05:57:53 AM »
@gk i guess you were done your build longggg b4 i started duh! silly me im a hard learner lol


at all the rest that have finished long ago .....  laughf  at me  and with me cuz i laugh at my self once agin  lol




i wasent gonna say this but i decided to ...

there was a thunderstorm here today ...  i saw the biggest lightning strike i ever saw in my life today....  it is better than this yet .. i was not at the time at home but close by  and i saw the strike from where i was i could of swore it hit the house ....  but i was told a bright blue flash of lite flew across my table to the window in the liveing room at the time of the strike ....


just all to strange ..  and it makes me wonder

so this will conclude my research on the tpu 

for the record im still broke and i dont have a properly working tpu but i will work at it and im sure over time the device will teach me ....

peace ist  :) 



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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 04:07:36 PM »
It seems to me that 390721 is very much two inventions put together.
I wonder if it would be better to separate them, and study them
apart.
Paul.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 04:26:30 PM »
Re: the above post - I've got this wrong. This is a motor with a toroidal
power supply unit as its stator, isn't it?

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2008, 08:55:27 PM »
@All & special attn to Paul-R

Look at Tesla patent #381,970

http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00381970.pdf

If you look at the "transformer" in 390,721 then compare it to the device of 381,970, you notice that they are one and the same device.

There is one difference between the two..... notice and compare in particular the connections of each. I find this as interesting, as I just noticed it myself. The manner of inter-coil connection differs between the two, yet for an almost identical application between the two patents. Peculiar.

Both are rotating field devices, Usable as "transformers" (both patents) or as a dynamo (patent 381,970) with rotating powered stator windings AND external rotating field. ("generator" picture top of patent, same device).


I call the device in 390,721 the "Tesla TPU" for a reason.

Many things can be deduced about this device. 

1. It is A.C. (as clearly stated in both patents)
2. It creates and utilizes a rotating magnetic field (both patents)
3. It is inherently a versatile operation device (as demonstrated by the use of said in "generator" example)
4. Power take off may be either high voltage/low current or high current/low voltage for either carbon arc lamps or regular lighting (see 381,970)
5. Drive element (primary) is ALWAYS the finer wire of many turns - low current winding (both patents), no matter no 4 above. (both patents)
6. The secondary is heavier gauge or "coarser" wire of few turns. (both patents), NOTE: this makes sense for high current low voltage, but not for high voltage low current use.
7. These units DO NOT WORK OFF OF NORMAL TRANSFORMER ACTION (See note 6 above, and read 381,970 carefully), they operate off of the rotating field.
8. The units are iron core (both patents)
9. Construction shape may vary (both patents)


Something to think about.

Paul Andrulis


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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2008, 09:25:42 PM »
The Tesla device referenced is just a rotating magnetic field transformer.  Clever, but no magic.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2008, 10:47:03 PM »
@Grumpy

I respectfully have to state that I disagree with your statement both utterly and completely, and that it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of this device, or the inventors own statements concerning said device.

Occam's razor, the inventors own descriptions, and device design demonstrate that the original TPU is nothing but a "rotating field transformer" as well. No hard evidence to the contrary has been provided by anyone to the contrary.

Lengthy posts, hotly debated arguments, assumptions more than can be counted, concepts from every quarter from scientific to practically magic have been put forth by many, yes. No hard evidence whatsoever. Self determined "experts" out the keaster, yes, but no actual replications of the "SM" device as mentioned. Other devices of other geometries put forth by other supposed self-determined experts are NOT replications of the SM device. (Yes I include the much vaunted, somewhat diefied, Spherics in this statement. His device is NOT an SM device.)

Let's cover spherics for a second. He comes in. CLAIMS to be an assistant of SM. CLAIMS he knows how SM built his early units. Claims he has a more advanced design. HOWEVER, HE CANNOT REPLICATE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN!

(Which demonstrates he lied somewhere, as you cannot advance a design, without understanding the original.)

This should have been a red flag for everyone concerned, but amazingly enough, he has gained his own elitist faction, which practically think him as the SM God, and themselves reigning experts.

(Yes I do know much more than you think about this, about fancy codes and secret e-mails, and NO, I am neither impressed nor interested. These guys have already taken their "blue pills", so to speak. I have no intention of spouting off about details so these guy's "secret" {gag} is safe.... I know where they are coming from and why, and also know that their "God", knowingly or not, is trying to kill them off slowly, or did they forget that RE kills?)

Paul Andrulis
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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2008, 11:24:05 PM »
@Grumpy

I respectfully have to state that I disagree with your statement both utterly and completely, and that it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of this device, or the inventors own statements concerning said device.

Paul Andrulis

Then you are foolish.  Go ahead and build it - then you will see for yourself.

By the way, Tesla authored a very extensive article on "polyphase" devices that explains this device in more detail - I'll see if I can locate it - in this article, Tesla supports my statement with his own words.  I believe it was prior to 1892, when he started to persue other things.

I don't know why so many are reading so much into Tesla's patents that just isn't there.  Actually I have a good suspician of "why" and do not hold it against anyone - and I commend the strength of thier influence - bastards.

Carry these patents into a cave or underground for a while and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 12:05:14 AM »
@Grumpy

Some very good points, and one EXTREMELY good question.

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I don't know why so many are reading so much into Tesla's patents that just isn't there.

Very good question. The problem is that this is coming from all sides. People see a carbon arc or a light bulb in a schematic, and assume RE because of the archaic symbol used. Many people see capacitive plates and insert spark gaps in their mind. Many read his patents and assume they are in full understanding of both what he states and also of what his diagrams portray.

They interpret these thing through their own understandings, world-view, and desires, and could care less about Teslas understandings, world-view, and desires. Therefore, to these people, his words and drawings will remain just that, words and drawings.

Occam's razor tells me that your suspicions are probably right, but not to applied to the right people, or to the proper extent. But then again, you may be simply invoking and ancient principle, of "holding your friends close, but your enemies closer". (Seek out those who intend you harm. Just a hint. Also remember the fate of Julius.)

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 12:38:09 AM »
@Grumpy

Some very good points, and one EXTREMELY good question.

Very good question. The problem is that this is coming from all sides. People see a carbon arc or a light bulb in a schematic, and assume RE because of the archaic symbol used. Many people see capacitive plates and insert spark gaps in their mind. Many read his patents and assume they are in full understanding of both what he states and also of what his diagrams portray.

They interpret these thing through their own understandings, world-view, and desires, and could care less about Teslas understandings, world-view, and desires. Therefore, to these people, his words and drawings will remain just that, words and drawings.

Occam's razor tells me that your suspicions are probably right, but not to applied to the right people, or to the proper extent. But then again, you may be simply invoking and ancient principle, of "holding your friends close, but your enemies closer". (Seek out those who intend you harm. Just a hint. Also remember the fate of Julius.)

Paul Andrulis

Exactly!  Hey, wait a minute...we are on the same frequency - hmm - let's wait and see if it passes.

Not only are the symbols "open to interpretation", but the terminology is as well, so you really got to take a hard open-mined look.

Tesla explains the reason's for a device in his patents and then explains how they operate - who are we to add to that?

I believe that the really good stuff came later and was not patented - remember Tesla's "Bolts of Thor" and his "Death Ray"? - ever see a pattent for those?  He even states in interviews when he is like 60 that the magnifier's arrangement was how this was accomplished at the time.  He kept experimenting until he died.  Not every device he ever invented works on RE principles.  Tesla did not even discover the effect until around 1892 - give or take.

What is really dissapointing is that in the efforts of people to find answers and understand things in their own ways - they often over-complicate simple concepts becasue of preconditioning and erronious beliefs that are not their own.  They throw in particles and parts of Einstein's theories, and everything else - including the kitchen sink.

Production of RE is fairly simple to explain and achieve if you pay attention.  The park gap that I showed is the first half - the excitation by unidirectional impulses.  The second half is just a coil of high self-induction and low self-capacitance.  Then there are modifications of this.  this is what Tesla first used a gap and a coil.  A tuned (resonant) coupled coil system can not approach what is possible with a magnifier, but it can drive one.

If you really want to hear some good ones - ask people to explain the magnification mechanism of the coil of high self-induction.

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Re: TESLA pattend 390721 BUILDERS THRED
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2008, 02:00:36 AM »
@Grumpy

I understand completely. You know what my RE "detector" is? My hand.... (may sound stupid, but true.)

For instance, I was messing with the base drive system of my replication of EM's device, adjusting the frequency trimmer pot, when my hand started to "prickle" sting. I checked with my scope probes, and sure enough, the trannies emitter signal was going ape. I am starting to wonder if the effect is coming from the npn junction itself, in that negatively biasing the p junction is making some form of a N(PN)N effect. Basically the effect of the transistor, amplified by the coils. I dont know, just guessing.

It frustrates me that there is entirely too much cr** where we end up "just guessing".... Grrrrrr.....

It also frustrates me when guesses are treated as truth. (Physics in general, including the professional, amature, "inventors", and "new" idealists. This seems to be a common HUMAN thing.)

Paul Andrulis