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Offline Vortex1

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A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« on: August 07, 2008, 02:55:18 AM »
With so much speculation about Radiant Energy, why not build a detector to prove / disprove your circuits ability to generate this mysterious force.

We know from Tesla (per Lindemann and others) that it creates a stinging sensation on the skin and an electric charge on metallic objects, especially copper.

                                A RADIANT ENERGY DETECTOR?

May I suggest the creation of a metallic cylinder (a can) with a closed end. At the back center of the cylinder is mounted  a BNC connector. A round section of copper or copper clad smaller than the ID of the cylinder is soldered to the center pin at the inside back of the cylinder, insuring that it does not touch the cylinder wall. A shielded BNC coax cable is connected to the cylinder connector and to the input of an electrometer or  DC voltmeter with at least 100 Megohm input impedance.

A good ground on the voltmeter will drain off any radiant energy hitting the cylinder, allowing charge to accumulate only on the copper, and only if it receives direct radiation from the device under test. In this manner the radiant detector will be directional and somewhat immune to stray electrostatic fields.

A discharge switch may be added to reset and zero the detector. A fine mesh metallic screen may be added to the front to eliminate stray charge accumulation, as some of the radiant will make it through to charge the copper disc. The device described may also be useful in betavoltaic research.

In operation, the voltmeter or electrometer should reveal a marked increase in reading, a step function when a true radiant event occurs. Anything less than a step is probably ions or charged air particles and should be disregarded.

It is my speculation that radiant energy is a magnetic complete or circular section of flux around the wire  that has experienced a disrupted or collided current flow and that said flux  has been "disconnected"  or broken and therefore manifests as pure potential (charge) that must therefore instantly repel in all directions perpendicular to the wire (radially hence radiant), with the field area surrounding the wire as the origin.

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A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« on: August 07, 2008, 02:55:18 AM »

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 04:36:21 AM »
Howdy Vortex1,

Excellent Idea!  However, Radiant Energy would be more than one specific type of energy at a specific wavelength and energy level.  The radiant energy is provided by stars and is accumulated in planets like they are capacitors.  It can also be locked into matter and not released until the molecules of the matter that it is stored in are broken or destroyed.  Like, take for instance a hickory tree.  The hickory tree accumulates the radiant energy from the sun for a number of years as it is growing an getting larger.  When the tree gets chopped down, is allowed to dry out and ultimately gets put into my smoker to make some Brined Smoked Chicken it releases the radiant energy that it has accumulated over several years.

But, then again, you are probably talking about fresh radiant energy, the kind we are looking for as an alternate energy source.  It seems that if you had a ultra high frequency spectrum analyzer you could monitor radiant energy emissions from test circuit with the specialized probe that you described.  We have to identify what band radiant energy is in.  I speculate that it is in the lower near infrared band and is very similar to heat in its physical properties.  What we consider to be heat energy is the low end of the near infrared band.  I would think that radiant energy is slightly higher is frequency than heat energy.

I installed a Radiant Barrier in my house this year.  This material blocks radiant energy, but is not specific about the specific wavelength which is radiant energy.  It does state that it blocks ultra high frequency light, visible light, far and near infrared light, and down through the radio frequency spectrum.  So, not much help in identifying exactly what radiant energy is.  I personally think that radiant energy is a set of radiations.  It occupies several bands from ultraviolet light down into the microwave radio range.  Different bands of energy require different ways to receive and exploit the energies.  It also requires different ways to detect and measure the energies...

I am looking forward to the "fruit" of this thread...

Blessed Be Brothers...

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 04:52:16 AM »
i hear so many referring to RE like they produce it at will, and actually know what it is.

but oddly (or not), no one posts details of their setups, nor reasons why they think they have it.

until i see someone's RE evidence, i place it in the same category as SM's kicks--- the TBD category.

so great idea vortex.

now, where did i put that kick detector schematic  ???  :P

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 07:27:50 AM »
There seems to be a lot of confusion and interpretations about whatever "radiant" energy is.

The standard physics definition is any frequency emitted from a heated source. In the lab this is usually referenced by a "black body source". But this is not the definition bandied about by Tesla fans, and especially Lindemann, who are specifically referring to the radial bluish needle like (not corona) discharge around a conductor caused possibly by certain stress conditions of high amperage plus some type of inertia effect where the incoming current crowds the electrons in the wire before they can disperse and move in the wire as reported by Tesla

This is only one way we have been told that the effect is created,  there may be others. So in this thread I would like to keep the definition consistent with the "Tesla observation"

Tesla also observed that after the "radiant event" metallic objects in the room acquired an "electric charge". This is the basis of the thread. We can measure the fact that an electric charge on a body has ocurred several ways. I don't need an accurate scale if we haven't defined the units, but I can make a measurement of the relative charge impinged on a metallic body.

I understand that there are other forms of "standard definition" radiant energy, such as solar, heat lamp hot wire, light bulb, glowing ember, flame, catalytic heater etc. This is not what we are referring to. For these types of "standard radiant energy" we have pyrometers, phototransistors and photomultiplier tubes to measure the effect, to name a few.

I would urge anyone who has duplicated the bluish,stinging, radial needle like discharge around a wire, not to be confused with ordinary corona effect, please post your setup in this thread so I can duplicate it and test my "radiant detector"

Regards.....V

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 01:04:24 PM »
Howdy Vortex1,

I experienced intense blue-green discharges on the contacts of my relay when I was testing the Infinity Coil.  I was alternating the terminals of a SLAB onto the center primary coil.  The impedance of the center coil primary winding is really low, less than an ohm, so the coil was drawing high direct currents.  The discharges were very intense, almost hypnotizing, and very hot.  The current being drawn melted the solder on the internal relay contacts.  This experiment was done with a source voltage of 12 volts, so we know that even low voltage can solicit a radiant discharge.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 05:31:07 AM »
well if it can be made with hv it also can be made with low voltage .....  why?


cuz it is the same amount of engery  if you will use hi voltage you will need low amparage ... and if you use low voltage you will need high amparage  8)

right hand left hand  ;D

the return will be the same ...   it has been said as much as 1000 times ...   

now if we could only make hv from a low voltage like a 9v battery  charge a cap and dump it to a load fast enough ...  we might have a tpu ...

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 02:41:56 PM »
To attempt to standardize radiant charge detectors:

A quick calculation shows that a 3.58 cm. diameter disc will have 10 square centimeters of  surface area, a nice even number for calculations and it will fit easily into a food type can.

This should provide adequate sensitivity and allow for easy Volts per cm measurement. If I have made an error here it is open to correction.

If we standardize on a one meter (safe) distance of our detector from the generating device, we now have V/cm/m.

I have thought about using a small HV capacitor in the device to filter the output, but this would probably kill the impulse response. A 100 meghohm resistor would provide auto bleed down, but may not be needed as the input impedance of the VTVM  or final measuring device may be adequate to provide bleed down.

Marco says he has already been down this road several years ago. I welcome his posts of test data and construction schematic of his "radiant"  generator and "radiant" detector here.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 05:08:11 PM »
What?!

Do you realy think that i am going to write a book or draw schematics??
This has ALL been done before.
You just need to DIVE INTO THE TESLA POOL.
Like i did.
He has written down EXACTLY how to do this and there are more with diffrent methodes.
You really need to read and understand Tesla very carefully and then you will see he slips his tounge here and there.

If i need to write down all i did then i would end up with a copy of Tesla patents and that my friend is a waste of my time.  :)
It is all in his patents.

Marco.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 06:43:42 PM »
Sorry to have asked, but thanks for the excerpt and the put down. I should be humbly reduced to a newbie.

So Tesla seems to be saying that the generally held belief is:

Extremely high frequency vibrations emitted that ionize the atmosphere through which the waves travel.

Whereas his own belief is that they are charged particles emitted of high velocity, and these charged particles can charge a neutral conductor or discharge a charged conductor in the vicinity.

Seems like the wave/particle paradox again. I will try to research this patent to arrive at the context.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 07:23:07 PM »

For reference, the excerpt comes from patents: 685,957 & 685,958.


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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 10:07:07 PM »

Sorry to have asked, but thanks for the excerpt and the put down. I should be humbly reduced to a newbie.
 .

Hey it's noy my intention to put anybody down.
I am just getting tired of people who want me to *show* *proof* *tell* them things that they better can discover by theirselves.
The information is widely available and all it takes is some time to read, and some time to try things.
Even if i would draw and post a working schematic of whatever device, still nobody would notice or do something with it.
It's like they are all waiting for somebody to come to their bench and show them how to do something so they can then try it themselves.

I am sure that when you go deeply into the patents you will find some intresting lines there that Tesla seemed to have left there especially for you...

This seperates the people who are willing to try something from the people who are so called "ass sitters" demanding for whatever whoever is going to give them so the only thing they can do is sit on their ass forever  :)


Marco.


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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2008, 12:37:31 AM »
@Marco, you sure are patient.

@all,
Can I share my pain? LOL.
This has been posted for 1yr + 8mo.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431
Kind of complex but right off the 390721 and the 382282. These are tatooed right on my brain. No really, just above the medula oblongata.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf
12v @ 2 amps. Wow!
But wait! There's more. He stated iron wire center right in the patent. We have a winner, folks!

And I thank Otto for the configuration wiring.

Is this a test to see if I still have my mind? Granted I got burns and headaches but...
Oh, just go ahead build it, turn it on and stick it real close to your head. Maybe the belief system will expand.
There is a possibility of teleportation to a front row seat in the sandbox at the tard farm.

--giantkiller. Put me in your will, please.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2008, 05:49:20 AM »
@Marco, you sure are patient.

@all,
Can I share my pain? LOL.
This has been posted for 1yr + 8mo.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21431.html#msg21431
Kind of complex but right off the 390721 and the 382282. These are tatooed right on my brain. No really, just above the medula oblongata.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf
12v @ 2 amps. Wow!
But wait! There's more. He stated iron wire center right in the patent. We have a winner, folks!

And I thank Otto for the configuration wiring.

Is this a test to see if I still have my mind? Granted I got burns and headaches but...
Oh, just go ahead build it, turn it on and stick it real close to your head. Maybe the belief system will expand.
There is a possibility of teleportation to a front row seat in the sandbox at the tard farm.

--giantkiller. Put me in your will, please.

ahhhhhh, please don't.  ::)

i thought this thread was about RE detection. please don't recycle that unrelated "stuff" where it's not appropriate. so the het thread is dead, too bad. keep this "stuff" there if you don't mind.

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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2008, 10:50:55 AM »
hi 
 
what you are saying here 

 dont say nothing bad for the <marco> this man  is realy good   do not say eny bad  for   marco

and  i thing this  is good theme   <radiant energy  keep going  whit that

  ATHERE  THING FOR TESLA TR.

IM WONDERING  WHAT IS THE  FINAL PORPOSE OF  TESLA TR <
             
                     IS THAT  FOR  JUST TOY  OR HAVE FOR ATHER  WORK

                  TESLA HAS  MAKE THAT FOR   <FUN>>OR  JUST TO MAKE  TO CLEAN THE  AIR  OF  DUST
                     I DONT THING THE TESLA HAS DOING AND MAKE THAT FOR THIS   <<<<<<<<<<<<MAST BEING   SOMETHING  SECRET  OF TESLA  COIL TR. BUT WE DONT HAVE THAT  ;)
     


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Re: A "RADIANT ENERGY" DETECTOR
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2008, 04:15:42 PM »
intresting gk

to say the least....

i do like the pattend  with the motor the generator and the transformer in 1unit.....  a TPU what?  that easy ...  errrrrrr   lol

also the last pattend you posted lol  4 spark gaps ...  switch in the right time   with 4 primares and 4 secondaries ...  well

any how i finished my whats up ist tpu deal ...  well  results were poor but it does do somthing ....

i can lite a super bright led a 9v one to about 1/2 brightness from my freq genny set to 1v ...  at 20k hz so yay

not the results im after....

better keep fishing... :)

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@gk about that pattend the first 1 ...    the transformer is inverted ...  it steps down hv to lower voltage ..  btw that is the first time i ever saw that pattend

any one gonna build it?   im gonna start the transformer today   i will use 22 ga as my secondary and romex 12 ga as primary wound on a garden wire core  i will tune them mass to mass to get my lengths of wire based upon the winds showen in the pattend as i have herd tesla was tight on his dwgs.... meaning you can take em as you see em ;)

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