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Title: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: pasi1 on August 07, 2008, 12:23:37 AM
hi,

I found this idea very interesting.

Contra Rotating Magnets --- Whitley Strieber---

Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets

Here is the story regarding Strieber?s device.

http://members.tripod.com/~antigravitypower/exper3.html

I found a book in Finnish language in which Strieber?s device is explained.

Unfortunately I cannot translate it because of my bad English.

You can find the book here:

http://pasi12.freeunlimitedweb.com/Contra%20Rotating%20Magnets.pdf

From this book I made a drawing.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8901/device1st5.gif

I hope this help

Pasi
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: khabe on August 07, 2008, 10:08:39 AM
Whitley Strieber  --- a free-lance writer.
But rotating magnets are interesting anyway,
khabe
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 07, 2008, 01:25:42 PM
Howdy Pasi1,

For your first stab at this you are really damn close, good work...

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Paul-R on August 07, 2008, 03:11:52 PM
Does this overlap with the "Searl Effect"?
Paul.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 07, 2008, 03:18:30 PM
Howdy Y'all

Yep, it does...

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: khabe on August 07, 2008, 06:02:34 PM
When contra rotating two gyroscopic wheels on the same axis - then lost gyro effect - and so what?
khabe
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: pasi1 on August 07, 2008, 07:02:29 PM

hi again,

found this links regarding counter-rotating magnets:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=71254

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ZT4AirRC14YJ:www.drboylan.com/basespst2.html+counter-rotating+magnets&hl=fi&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=fi


pasi
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 08, 2008, 02:14:54 AM
Howdy Y'all,

That link to Richard Boylan's stuff is the real deal.  The entire Cold War was a farce to solicit war time funding to support secret space operations by the US and Russian Covert Forces.  That money was spent developing advanced spacecraft and other "black" projects.  We have been hoodwinked by the man for probably more than 60 years.

The antigravity system is a lot more than just simple spinning magnets.  On a simple craft it is two counter rotating flywheels which have an high voltage charge applied to them.  Each flywheel generates a double vortex of high energy particles.  When you put the two together and spin them in opposite directions there is a conflict between the two flywheels where there are two oppositely spinning vortexes which generate the antigravity effect.  The orientation between the flywheels determines the direction of force. This is advanced physics that (conveniently) does not get taught in the orthodox schools.

Keep chasing the brass ring Pasi1.  Someday you will be building an antigravity ship...

Blessed Be Brothers...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: pasi1 on August 11, 2008, 12:14:58 AM
hi,

I hope that Somebody will be building this device because I don't have the possibilities to do so.

In the book is says that the counter rotating magnets/electromagnets fields, should impact at an angle of 45 degrees for the energy to be released.

I hope some one can translate from the book, the explanation, on how this device should work.

Pasi
 
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 11, 2008, 12:25:06 AM
Howdy Pasi1,

All this stuff already exists.  You shall see that soon.  The Germans were building these in the 20's.  The Galactic Federation was building them millions of years ago.  We will be building them soon...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: AndyT on August 12, 2008, 05:46:03 AM
Galactic Federation?  I think there is more to science than we have been led to belive also, but, Galactic Federation?
If you claim to know this much then you should be able to build this device and prove it to all of us.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 12, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
Howdy AndyT,

Yeah, I think I understand the Vril Levitator pretty well.  The problem is funding.  Are you rich?  You want to loan me several million dollars for research and development?

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Refizul on August 13, 2008, 12:24:43 AM
Hi z.monkey!

It is a bit irritating to read this, as i had a blurry vision about a Device like this a few Years ago.
Somehow the Idea of contrary rotating Magnets, defying the field of gravity manifested its self
in my small brain one evening, and after talking to a friend of mine about it, he convinced me that
it would not work.

Now i read about it again, and read that you understand the principle....well...maybe we could
help each other since i have the opportunity to use a fully equipped workshop with CAD and CAM
means in my spare time.

The development of a "proof of concept" Prototype should not be too hard....

well...PM me if you mean it serious ;)

Greetz around the world!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 01:09:59 AM
Howdy Refizul,

This is no weekend project you are postulating.  I have a good idea and preliminary information.  If this is anything like my current project it could take a LONG time.  There is a good bit of information on the internet and I can forward links to it.  But these aren't like hobby kit that come with instructions then glue together and they work.  This is real development and it will be costly both in time and money.  However, the potential benefit could be astounding.  Unlocking a secret and lost technology that could revolutionize the world is something that I can not fathom as to the benefit to mankind.  You are not alone.  There are others I know who are also interested in making this technology real.  I insist on making all the information available to the public in this thread.  There are potentially many people that can benefit from just the information, but also the technology.  Also this technology has a sorted past.  The Nazi's first developed it.  Then many countries stole it from the Nazi's and continued developing it in secret.  Now it is used against the public in various degrees of severity.  My aim is to make this technology public knowledge so that the playing field is leveled and everyone has access to it.  This should prevent the powers that be from beating us over the head with it.

Here are some interesting links...

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/aldebaran-mystery.html

http://www.discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html

John Searle is a living antigravity legend with the Searle Effect Generator.
http://searleffect.com/

http://www.intalek.com/

http://www.intalek.com/Papers/Nazi-Bell-1024x768.pdf

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/GermanSaucers/GermanSaucers.htm

Viktor Schauberger was the mastermind behind the Nazi's antigravity and free energy experiments, search the internet for information about him.  This will lead you all kinds of places.

Here is a place to buy some good books...
http://www.amazing1.com/grav.htm

There is a plethora of theory on the internet but you can't buy plans for a Vril Levitator.  Those are at best seen flying away from you at great speed.  It would really be cool to have a Thule Tachyonator, the most advanced German Antigravity system and the end of World War II.  Of course, now, I expect that technology is FAR more advanced, and augmented with Aldebaran Technology...

OK, have fun with that, I'll be in contact...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: TheOne on August 13, 2008, 01:59:31 AM
Few years ago (more then 6 I think) I find on the web images from Peiltochterkompass the gyro/compass used by the nazi for the vrill and other saucer project.

I did not find this image on the web since but I saved them! Here the link of the image! Enjoy it!

(http://www.cncfreak.com/ufo/Peiltochterkompass1.jpg)
(http://www.cncfreak.com/ufo/Peiltochterkompass2.jpg)
(http://www.cncfreak.com/ufo/Peiltochterkompass3.jpg)
(http://www.cncfreak.com/ufo/Peiltochterkompass4.jpg)
(http://www.cncfreak.com/ufo/Peiltochterkompass5.jpg)
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 13, 2008, 02:14:09 AM
@z.monkey and others,

Joseph Farell gave a pretty good description about the ancient devices from his translations of hindu texts.  The book "The Cosmic War" had all the details.  More interesting was the fact that all these devices used mercury (in some form or other, i.e. red mercury) which has been shown to have interesting counter-rotational properties in the presence of heat, and counter-gravitational properties in the presence of magnetism and/or high-energy pulses (a la TT Brown).  Other elements were used such as sapphire and quartz.  More recent "modern" discoveries in science tend to back up much of what was documented thousands of years ago.  They key always seems to be the magnetic aspects.  Reading about the Nazi Bell really sparks the imagination about where this goes.

http://gizadeathstar.wordpress.com/books/ (http://gizadeathstar.wordpress.com/books/)

I hope some of you big brains do end up getting funded to research this.  Amen to levelling the playing field.

Peace all !
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 02:49:48 AM
Howdy Y'all,

TheOne, That is cool, an actual piece of history, at least a photograph anyway...

squegee69, All of the Nazi's knowledge about levitation and teleportation came from ancient Indian texts called the Vedas.  They describe Vimiana which were the transportation in ancient India during a time period called the Raman Empire.  These Vimiana were antigravity flying machines which could travel into space and under the ocean.  They used mercury because of its mass.  They would pump the mercury in two circular tubes around the perimeter of the ship in a counter rotating directions.  This has the same effect as two flywheels spinning in counter rotating directions, as I described earlier in this thread.  It is the bi-gyroscopic mass which generates the antigravity effect, magnetism, and electricity in these machines.  The Raman Empire was destroyed by Nuclear War more than 40,000 years ago...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: fran on August 13, 2008, 03:21:54 AM
Very interesting. I was only thinking about magnets spinning inside rings within rings trying to figure out anti-gravity, sorta like the planets going around the sun... What do you all make of Dennis Lee, the guy in that documentary "A Case For Free Electricity" ?? Is he the real deal or a scammer? Cool video anyway...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Charlie_V on August 13, 2008, 03:55:19 AM
@z.monkey

Cocaine's a hell of a drug........
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 04:00:27 AM
Howdy Fran,

I have the Dennis Lee VHS video from about 10 years ago.  His machine is very interesting.  It uses neodymium magnets in non-conventional configuration so that you can pull the field coils while the generator is running.  This means no down time.  You can replace a burned out winding without stopping the generator.  Its been a while since I thought about it.  I think antigravity is more about mass than it is about electromagnetism...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 04:02:15 AM
Howdy Charlie_V,

Yeah, not on coke, sorry...

However I do eat lots of chiles... 

Like Habaneros and Bhut Jolokias...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: TheOne on August 13, 2008, 04:09:47 AM
Lets say I have 2 rotating wheel with opposing direction, 2 massives wheel in MDF with magnet, what is the required RPM needed to begin to see an anti-grav effect?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 04:25:02 AM
Howdy TheOne,

That really is TBD.  There is no specific data on the internet, only theoreticals.  I would assume that is in the range of the speed where the gyroscope starts exhibiting it unique behavior.  Probably around 10,000 to 13,000 RPM.  So, this system would have to be very highly balanced.  In a mechanical system the bulk of the mass would have to be around the periphery of the flywheels.  This would require super strong advanced materials to make up the support areas of the wheels.  This is why the mercury system would be better.  You wouldn't need an axle and all the spinning mass that holds the periphery in place.  The antigravity system would be around the edges of the ship and not take up any space on the inside. I have a lot of theory and have worked out probable scenarios in my mind, so I have done a lot of the research.  However to prove the ideas in my mind would be a task of considerable effort and expense.

I really just want to cruising for space chix...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: TheOne on August 13, 2008, 05:09:24 AM
z.monkey,

Ho! I did not know that was that high lol

Schaubeger say its need around 1200 RPM to self-start. Don't know for the anti-grav. But its not the same tech.

So to get 13000 RPM its more complicated for simple experiment. Maybe its possible to scale down one (very tiny) using very high speed motor to test this.

What I see for a very simple test bench is to use a small wheel in between 2 rotors, make the small wheel turn, that make the 2 rotors turn on opposite direction, but to get 13000 RPM on the 2 rotors you will need a motor that can run like 100000 RPM, and I prob hard to find this kind of motor (100k with load)!

Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 05:20:59 AM
Howdy TheOne,

Well, Schaubeger is the master, I am the n00b...  It may be 13000 RPM for something that is 2 inches in diameter, might be 1200 for something 5 meters in diameter.  This is why we need to do research and development.  Without the experimentation we just don't know.  I think the difference is the amount of mass you are trying to move.  The more mass you have the less you have to spin it to get an effect.  Again subject to experimentation.  I think the basic mechanism we need is a counter rotating differential gear system.  When one wheel spins clockwise the other wheel spins at the same rate counter clock wise.  Vectoring the force can come later.  We need to focus on the basic premise first...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 13, 2008, 07:23:05 AM
Howdy Y'all,

TheOne, That is cool, an actual piece of history, at least a photograph anyway...

squegee69, All of the Nazi's knowledge about levitation and teleportation came from ancient Indian texts called the Vedas.  They describe Vimiana which were the transportation in ancient India during a time period called the Raman Empire.  These Vimiana were antigravity flying machines which could travel into space and under the ocean.  They used mercury because of its mass.  They would pump the mercury in two circular tubes around the perimeter of the ship in a counter rotating directions.  This has the same effect as two flywheels spinning in counter rotating directions, as I described earlier in this thread.  It is the bi-gyroscopic mass which generates the antigravity effect, magnetism, and electricity in these machines.  The Raman Empire was destroyed by Nuclear War more than 40,000 years ago...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...

Hi Z.Monkey - where I live, Jalapenos grow best, but I do love a good Hatch or Habanero when I can afford to shop at Central Market.

Any idea what the significance of the red mercury might be, especially with regard to Nazi Bell?  Agreed on the veda texts, thats what I got from my limited research as well, but it sounds like you've done a lot more than "poking around" like me.  Serious study, anyway.  Any ideas on mercury's tendency to "fly into the air" when shocked by extremely high voltage source?  This goes to Bearden's scalar research, as well as some unrelated phenomena reported by other researchers like Hutchison.  The next logical step would be mercury plus ???? something.

This is purely a personal observation, but I have found that the best things about humanity and life are usually the simplest.  Plant a seed - grow a jalapeno and you have dinner.  Does not take an idiot to make it work.  Reading the results of long-term research into these ancient texts just tickles a primitive side in my brain.  The whole concept of energy from the vacuum, aether, gravity-cancelling forces, etc., just seems to me like there's something really simple in front of us we just have not seen yet.  Sorry if this sounds pejorative, but simplicity in truth has always worked for me.

I've amassed a large collection of magnets now, and trained my three kids in the finer art of winding coils.  Going to break up all the old A/C thermostats I've got laying around and start collecting some mercury.  We'll see what happens next.

Bless y'all.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: AbbaRue on August 13, 2008, 10:04:19 AM
I would keep the mercury thing quiet.
Because of the toxic effects of the stuff you may have gov. officials knocking at your door.
I read of an article were a woman broke a fluor. tube in her home so she called to have the mercury cleaned up.
It cost her  $2000 to get it cleaned up.  And they say those bulbs are energy efficient.  ;D
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 13, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Howdy squegee69, Abbarue,

I agree that mercury is a hazardous substance and it is not a good idea to mess abound with it in your house.  I once had an accident involving mercury and a alchemy experiment.  I had an experiment explode in my face which involved mercury and I tasted metal for two years after that.  Don't mess around with that stuff.  If anything you need a well suited laboratory with special gear for handling mercury.  BTW cilantro will pull the mercury out of your system.  If you handle mercury or have amalgam fillings it is a good idea to eat cilantro on a regular basis.

The red mercury is mercury mixed with a catalyst agent called cherubim (sp?) I think.  I learned about this when I was studying alchemy.  But I never ferreted out a chemical composition of cherubim.  So that one is a big question mark...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 13, 2008, 11:54:24 PM
@all

Thanks for the tips on mercury.  I was being a bit facetious, but have had several years experience in handling and containing hazardous materials.  I'm paranoid enough being around that stuff.  However, the cilantro thing was interesting.  I cannot think of the last meal I consumed that did not have cilantro - I'm on the tex-mex diet.

Peace all!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: myrmex on August 14, 2008, 12:38:25 AM
The best idea would be to use 2 hard disk motor mounted together with as low distance in betwen the rotating magnet.
 that'd be cheap enough to actually toy with it..
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 14, 2008, 06:57:19 AM
The best idea would be to use 2 hard disk motor mounted together with as low distance in betwen the rotating magnet.
 that'd be cheap enough to actually toy with it..


I've got 2 shot HDD's sitting here on my desk right now (shot plattens but motors and magnets good) and I'm willing to sacrifice them.  How would you propose configuring?  Also got a butt-load of neo magnets from 8t all the way up to 48t.  Any suggestion on config?


Peace to all. 
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Omega_0 on August 14, 2008, 08:52:09 AM
Ya, rotating magnetic fields should produce gravitation anomalies. (No that's not proven yet). :)

You can always use gears to step up the rpm, no need of high rpm motors. Say, use a 100:1 gear with a 1k rpm motor to get 100k rpm. (Or a series of gears of lower ratios)

Place a weight on different positions around it and measure weight changes.
Now how to detect weight changes ? You'd need a very very sensitive balance and the whole thing should be in a vacuum chamber, else air will interfere and can produce lift.

Difficult, but possible to experiment.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: myrmex on August 14, 2008, 10:29:39 PM
If i recall hard disk motor has 4 connection on their pin board , and you can choose depending on wich one you use the direction it will turn


I'd simply use the 2 hd motor you have , keep the hard disk plate as a base to glue your magnet on it and find a way to tie them together  with some copper tube wielded together or any other kind of material .

Now i don't know if you could reuse the hdd board to change rpm but im pretty sure it would be simplier to tie a small variable resistor on it . Maybe use 2 , one for each and play with different speed since it's not sure how fast you need them to go .


There is always a better option , king's canada sell dremel that goes to 12,000 rpm with a digital screen displaying your current rpm and it is fully adjustable so that could be a route to go as well.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: TheOne on August 16, 2008, 06:09:29 PM
I tried to understand why we need counter-rotating wheel to control gravity.

I think I have a part of the answer, When you want control the gravity you need a way to go in both direction UP or DOWN.

If you want to go UP, on one of the 2 rotors go slower and the other stay in his maximum speed, if you want to go DOWN the opposite append, one wheel go slower then the other.

So if you want to go LEFT or RIGHT, you can use the same principle. Basically a saucer should have 4 anti-gravity engine one for each axis X, Y, Z and maybe one to move at angle W.

The X, Z and W need a smaller engine since they only need to move the main floating object, the Y is the main and bigger one to move the entire saucer against planet gravity.

I think that when they travel in space the main anti-gravity (Y) face the direction where they want to go. The X and Z axis and W motor are just used for orientating the saucer in the direction they want to move using the Y engine.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Omega_0 on August 16, 2008, 07:17:23 PM
I don't think that aliens use AG for travel. There is no gravity to go against in most of the space, for millions of light years, not even a star....

They must be using it for hovering over planets but, honestly this is all speculation, we dont even know what gravity is. We have theories , thats all.

:)
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Omega_0 on August 16, 2008, 07:28:57 PM
Why i think , magnets can lead to AG ? because of gravitomagnetism (see wikipedia)
Similarities are cool.

But static magnetic fields dont produce any effect, else everyone would have discovered them by now.
Electromagnets and antennas can produce varying magnetic fields, (EMFs), but they r too weak to produce anything interesting and may be they are not suitable (configs and all)

So rotating the magnets mechanically should show something. Like a superconductor, may be.
And AG is a road to FE, for sure.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 17, 2008, 02:23:04 AM
When we do figure it out, we're all gonna be kicking ourselves in the butt.  This has got to be something really simplistic.  (I'd really love to see inside of Wm. Lynne's Himmelkompass)

Look at the gyroscopic effect.  Basically this thread starts with the idea of adding magnetism to the gyro force.  Assuming the whole vacuum is full of aether, then there will definitely be some kind of interaction between the magnetism and that field.  The spinning motion is merely the push needed to propel the mass.  The magnetism becomes the rudder that steers the way.  Inertia calculated as a function of force plus direction.

I am playing with the HDD's.  Sorry for the long delays - had to replace a small torx bit before I could open the clamshells.  Also, those reader-arm magnets inside the HDD's are truly sweet - anyone else playing around with magnets, be sure to hang on to those curved beauties.  I almost broke a finger playing around with one. 

Peace all!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 19, 2008, 01:38:47 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Sorry I have been gone a while.  I gotta go to work and take care of the house every once in a while...

I was reading back through this thread and I noticed (don't know why i didn't notice before) that Pasi1's diagram in the first post has the same configuration as my Infinity Transformer with a little different explanation.  My Infinity Transformer is based on the Hubbard Coil which Alfred M. Hubbard built in the first quarter of the 20th Century.  In the Hubbard Coil thread I had postulated that his design may have been from extraterrestrial beings, a scale model of their electrogravity engine.

So I am going to interject the idea that a electrogravity ship is going to have more than one system to make it do the fantastic things that it does.  The large counter rotating masses are gyroscopic in nature giving the ship dimensional stability.  This is different than anti-gravity.  An antigrav would repulse against another gravity field.  This would require the ship to stay in close proximity to a planet or another gravity field in order to operate.  If the ship were to develop its own gravity field then it could operate in free space. However I do not think that the counter rotating masses can do this own their own.  There needs to be an electrostatic component to the complete the effect.  This is where the Electromagnetic coils come into the picture.  This electrogravity ship needs high voltage to drive and bias the counter rotating wheels.  Whether it is two motors driving two wheels or one motor driving a transmission gear system and driving the two wheels there needs to electromotive force to drive the wheels.  There needs to be plentiful electric power to maintain the momentum in the counter rotating wheels and charge the wheels with a high voltage.  This amplifies the effect by electrostatic attraction of ethers and perhaps gravitons.  The field that the ship generates is responsible for generating the gravity and not the individual components which generate the field.  The electrostatic force attracts, from the environment surrounding the ship, what it needs to generate the gravity field.  The spinning masses by themselves generate a gyroscopic  forces which stabilize the ship.  The electrostatic forces generate a flow of particles across the surfaces of the spinning masses.  The synergistic effect draws the energies from the environment around the ship creating an artificial gravity field around the ship.

I have read that gravity is not a continuous force.  It is oscillatory in nature.  It seems constant because we do not notice the nutation.  The theory is that the sun emits a highly penetrating radiation that is transmitted to objects which have considerable mass, ie planets, moons, asteroids.  This highly penetrating radiation is in the area of a Terahertz.  The combination of the Terahertz radiation and the mass generate gravity.  I know this is "out there".  We have been forced to accept Newtonian Physics for our entire lives.  The electrogravity machine does not fit into Newtonian Physics.  We have to look deeper into the workings of nature to understand the electrogravity machine.  We need to look at Cosmic Physics.  We need to look at the highest science.  We need to understand the true workings of the universe on a quantum level, and not the theories that are taught in man's schools.  Who do we ask for such information?  Believe it or not this information does exist on our little backwater planet.  It is in ancient records.  It is in the Akashic Record.  It has been channeled from extraterrestrials.  It is even written in our sacred texts which are lying about everywhere.  Who would think to read the Bible with a physics context?  In the book of Ezekiel there is a Cosmic Chariot described in great detail. If we would get the physicists to read religious texts, that would be a miracle.

OK, Back to the ship.  So the electrogravity engine uses the spinning masses, and I do mean masses not CDs or disk platters, to create a gyroscopic stabilizing effect.  Then the electrostatic force on the spinning masses attracts energy and particles from the surrounding environment to develop an electrogravity field spinning about the exterior of the ship.  This field utilizes radiation, originally from the sun, to produce a gravity field, and the primary particles in this field of energy are ethers and gravitons.

Here is a picture of what was supposed to be a Searle Disk.  Turns out that it did do have the balance or sophistication to be a Searle Disk so I turned it into a alternator.  I'm working on a new design for the electrogravity engine incorporating all the new material I have found.  It could take a while to do this, but slow progress is better then none at all...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 20, 2008, 12:28:16 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Here is my preliminary plan.

So, at the moment, I am working out the power source first, the Infinity Transformer.  A vehicle needs an independent power source and a free energy generator is the obvious choice.  This is something that I have been developing specifically for this purpose.  Then I want to make a magnetic bearing system to support the rotating masses.  I envision a conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "axle" and a inverse conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "hub".  There would be two sets of magnetic bearings which hold each  wheel independently.  There would be a large screw which holds all the bearings in place vertically, but the rotating masses would not touch the screw or magnetic bearings.  Then we squeeze the bearings together to pinch the magnetic fields firmly.  This will tighten the rotating masses into their domain so they don't pitch about when we apply electromagnetic forces to spin the masses.  The rotating masses will be built with neodymium magnets in their periphery with alternating poles pointed outward.  We can then use solenoids and Hall Effect sensors to generate a motor action which will cause the mass to spin.  This will require using a microcontroller to make a multiphase motor driver for each rotating mass. The solenoid coils would need to be mounted around the periphery of the rotating masses to effect the neodymium magnets around the rotating masses.  This is a similar but more advanced version of what is pictured above.

I would like to draw this, but don't have the time right away.  Any one need a project?  All of the ideas above are preliminary.  Right now we are in the research phase of the so everything is fluid, changeable.  But once we start fabricating parts it will be more difficult to change our minds.

Blessed Be
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 23, 2008, 08:52:20 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Here is my preliminary plan.

So, at the moment, I am working out the power source first, the Infinity Transformer.  A vehicle needs an independent power source and a free energy generator is the obvious choice.  This is something that I have been developing specifically for this purpose.  Then I want to make a magnetic bearing system to support the rotating masses.  I envision a conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "axle" and a inverse conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "hub".  There would be two sets of magnetic bearings which hold each  wheel independently.  There would be a large screw which holds all the bearings in place vertically, but the rotating masses would not touch the screw or magnetic bearings.  Then we squeeze the bearings together to pinch the magnetic fields firmly.  This will tighten the rotating masses into their domain so they don't pitch about when we apply electromagnetic forces to spin the masses.  The rotating masses will be built with neodymium magnets in their periphery with alternating poles pointed outward.  We can then use solenoids and Hall Effect sensors to generate a motor action which will cause the mass to spin.  This will require using a microcontroller to make a multiphase motor driver for each rotating mass. The solenoid coils would need to be mounted around the periphery of the rotating masses to effect the neodymium magnets around the rotating masses.  This is a similar but more advanced version of what is pictured above.

I would like to draw this, but don't have the time right away.  Any one need a project?  All of the ideas above are preliminary.  Right now we are in the research phase of the so everything is fluid, changeable.  But once we start fabricating parts it will be more difficult to change our minds.

Blessed Be

@z

Wouldn't it be a moot point if the "driving" system is lossy, given that the input is free power?  While it would be perfect to ascertain the absolute in perfection throughout, this could still be a success if even only the powering side is over unity.  Kind of like Hubbard ran into c.a. 1920 when he had to power  his boat on his coil alone.  I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer, but seems to me like the final proof is related to the ongoing electrical input.  Myself, I'm having lots of fun with batteries, hss hdd motors, and spool systems, but that can only entertain my young children just so long.  Hahaha,  Still seeing interesting and non-documented results along the way.

Peace all!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: v71 on August 29, 2008, 12:49:24 AM
Very intersting, actually i was thinking back again to my antigravity research.
I have built an inertial propulsor using rotating masses , it loses weight , but not so much to be usefull
for thrusting, it is bades around gyros, 3 gyros rotating in a direction mounted on a base rotating in a plane which is ortogonal to both angular momentum, this is officially called precession, but i think that a lot more is involved.
I am willing to partecipate in this project since i have too many ideas to share.
My intention is to build a high voltage generator and electrify two counter rotating alluminiun plaets, just like the guy in
the thread above.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 29, 2008, 01:35:24 AM
Howdy V71,

Welcome to the Weird Science Club...

squeege69, yeah, the system will be "lossy" but we can look at that as work done.  In fact it is going to take a lot of energy to fly.  This is why were starting with a free energy generator, maybe we can make it economical to fly.  Even a scale model with two iron flywheels it will still take a considerable amount of energy to spin the wheels up to lift velocity and maintain that velocity and have reserve energy to maneuver.  A small note here, I have been reviewing the Vril notes and the upper flywheel is smaller in diameter than the lower flywheel.  On the advanced Vril ship there are 3 gyros mounted on the lower flywheel for stabilization.  Apparently the two flywheels alone are wobbly, hard to control.  A story about the original test flight stated that the pilot (an experienced Luftwaffe combat pilot) barely escaped with his life because the Vril ship was so hard to control.  So I guess that we are already modifying the original plans...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: v71 on August 29, 2008, 10:21:53 AM
The reason why a flywheel is smaller in diameter is because of differential graviton flow pressure , my theory is that gravity is made of particles which flows into matter in an anisotropic fashion where mass is absent, mass as an inherent (sp??)  propriety of allowing gravitons to flow inside of it, the more flux, the heavier the object is.
This explains also why an object cannot travel more than the speed of light.
At that speed , the graviton flux, cannot move inside an object more than the speed it is intrinsically allowed to move.
The earth is massive in mass , so an enormous flow of gravitons travels from the surrounding space , unordered, into the earth, the flow is directed towards the center, and thus is oriented , once reached the center, the nucles starts to heat, gravitons are partially rejected, back, and create an outward current .
So gravity is attractive and repulsive , just like the magnetism.
Actually there are several ways to block the influx of gravitons
high voltage ( are electrons really gravitons particles ?)
rotating magnetic fields
specially designed arrays of nanomaterials
frequency vibration , both sound and em wave
The gyros on the Vril , reminds me of my attempts to inertial propulsion, i think that the reason was to stabilisze the device, i noticed that the formulas in books are wrong in the case of precession.
I found that it is not the classic a=mgr/I formula which describes the precession force.
Another one is to cancel the magentic field, in an em wave leaving the electrical component to oscillate.
Electrical oscillation forces the g vector to align orthogonally to the e field.
Basically , e, b, g are vector which are orthogonal to each other, university teaches us that only e and b are orthogonal.
But the poyinting vector which is the cross vector beetween e and b, is acutally the g v ector
Worth to investigate.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 29, 2008, 02:50:12 PM
Howdy V71,

You are the only person that I have seen use the word graviton on this website the entire time I have been a member.  I haven't read all the threads, but I have read a lot.  I do believe that faster than light travel is possible, but it is going to take more than the Vril technology to do that.  Also the information I have about Vril technology leaves a lot of questions.  I have a lot of information available to me, but it is all superficial.  There are not many critical technical details.  There are people out there in the world that understand this technology completely, and may even have functioning levitators, but they cannot share any information because they are part of some secret group.  That is all right, because I am going to learn a lot more about this technology by starting from scratch, rather than if I was to make a copy of someones design.  One thing is for sure, this is going to be a lot of machine work, my favorite...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: squegee69 on August 30, 2008, 04:45:35 AM
Howdy V71,

Welcome to the Weird Science Club...

squeege69, yeah, the system will be "lossy" but we can look at that as work done.  In fact it is going to take a lot of energy to fly.  This is why were starting with a free energy generator, maybe we can make it economical to fly.  Even a scale model with two iron flywheels it will still take a considerable amount of energy to spin the wheels up to lift velocity and maintain that velocity and have reserve energy to maneuver.  A small note here, I have been reviewing the Vril notes and the upper flywheel is smaller in diameter than the lower flywheel.  On the advanced Vril ship there are 3 gyros mounted on the lower flywheel for stabilization.  Apparently the two flywheels alone are wobbly, hard to control.  A story about the original test flight stated that the pilot (an experienced Luftwaffe combat pilot) barely escaped with his life because the Vril ship was so hard to control.  So I guess that we are already modifying the original plans...

Blessed Be...

Amen to that, Brother.  Did not mean to leave you with the impression I was being critical.  Considering the day and age we live in, once one problem is solved, the other will come along nicely.  Correct about relearning everything - getting untaught all the mischief we picked up in classical education is going to be a chore.

If you don't mind my asking, are your sources of information on Vril public or private in nature?  Any resources you can point a fellow hungry mind toward?

Peace!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on August 30, 2008, 05:24:30 AM
Howdy Squeege69,

I posted a number of links for Vril information up at the top of this thread.  Also I have read many books through the years.  Here is a good source for antigrav information.

http://www.amazing1.com/grav.htm

I have read a lot of those books.  Also i have some esoteric sources that I can't reveal online.
Yeah, you are right about as soon as one problem is solved, another one crops up.  This is our accelerated learning curve to catch up with our Galactic brothers and sisters...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: gdaigle on September 02, 2008, 06:56:57 PM
From Wikipedia:  Louis Whitley Strieber [stÊŸibÉš] (born June 13, 1945) is an American writer best known for his horror novels The Wolfen and The Hunger and for Communion, a non-fiction account of his own perceived experiences with non-human entities. Strieber also co-authored The Coming Global Superstorm with Art Bell, which inspired the blockbuster film about sudden climate change, The Day After Tomorrow.

The device has similarities to several other claimed "antigravity" devices yet to be replicated, including those by Searl and Hollingshead.  Similarities include counter-rotating magnets, central magnet and charged ring or spherical capacitor, though also many dissimilarities.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: 4Tesla on September 02, 2008, 09:46:08 PM
I don't know if these will help ya all.. I heard of using Tesla coils (no moving parts) for antigravity.. maybe using two Tesla coils with the primary and secondary coils on one wound clockwise and on the other counterclockwise?

I don't know if this guy is real or not, but I have heard of others that have used Tesla coils:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_QrSTlNnek

Here is an Acoustic Levitation Chamber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KzmB2bI7s

and Ultrasonic Levitation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4exO4CuoSU&feature=related

Jason
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on September 02, 2008, 10:51:37 PM
Howdy 4Tesla,

They guy in that first video is John Hutchison.  He is a legend when it comes to strange electrical stuff.  He managed to scoop up tons of interesting military surplus stuff and make all sorts of cool experiments with it.  The Hutchison Effect is gravity defying in nature.  True antigravity, I don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hutchison
http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html

The acoustic and ultrasonic levitation are interesting.

It seems to me that there would be many ways to levitate from mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, mental, and even others I have not thought of.  Probably what we are doing now is the most primitive and rudimentary forms.  We'll get something working and then the aliens will show up and say "you're doing it all wrong, do it this way".  So were making our Model T UFO and the alien craft are like Lambroghini Diablos, or better...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: 4Tesla on September 02, 2008, 11:03:24 PM
Yep.. once we find what works, then we can make it better.

Jason
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on September 04, 2008, 09:18:09 PM
Howdy Y'all,

Just received something that can answer a lot of questions for us here in this topic.  This is a copy of "The Vimanika Shastra" from the Vedas.  This is information about the Vimanika (Flying Ships) from ancient India during the Raman Empire.  The Vril and Thule Societies in Germany used this information to build antigravity ships before WWII.  This is a GODsend.  I can't wait to read it.  Just got it from a friend.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item122

OK, Have fun with that...

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on September 10, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
Howdy Y'all,

Here are a few more documents.

"Secret Societies" is the story of the German Vril and Thule societies developing antigravity aircraft before and during World War II...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item132

"Orion Technology" documents a wide variety of secret technologies including but not limited to the Philadelphia Experiment, Project Rainbow, Project Montauk, Phoenix Project, Project Dreamscan, Project Moonscan, Project Mindwrecker, Reichian technology, Aliens and UFOs.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item134

In "The Case for the UFOs" Morris Jessup explores the extensive evidence.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item135

Blessed Be...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: X00013 on September 12, 2008, 11:32:38 PM
@ All, I can't help you on this subject, but maybe this guy can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gs1yI_UjiE
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: gravityblock on December 01, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
@v71 regarding gravitons:

I think that the observations of lensing indicate that a quantum theory of gravity, based on gravitons interacting with every particle including individual photons, cannot be correct. For graviton interaction to be correct, a photon would have to follow a polygonal path as it passes a massive body, each segment of the polygon being, perhaps, of planck length.

To complicate matters even more, string theory actually predicts the gravitons you are referring to. Kip Thorne explains in his book, Black Holes and Time Warps that the electromagnetic field of an object contributes to the gravity of the object, because mass and energy are equivalent. I believe that gravity is nothing more than a large mass leaking energy in the form of heat, light, radiation, energy from the sun be reflected back into space, and other forms of energy that we may or may not know about leaking into space, which then gets dispersed as an electromagnetic wave outwards from the large mass, which then causes fluctuations in space and in time due to the different energy densities that are traveling outwards from the mass.  Thus the energy density will be stronger in the vicinity of the mass as opposed to further away. The fluctuations in spacetime causes objects to gravitate towards each other due to the different energy densities. A small object will move towards a larger object because it will follow where the energy is the highest. This is nature's way to regain the energy/mass that was lost or leaked.

The range of electromagnetism and gravitational force are both thought to be infinite. The strength or intensity of an electromagnetic field and a gravitational field both decreases at a rate of 1/distance2. The only difference is in its relative strength. The relative strength for gravity is 1 and the relative strength for electromagnetism is 10 with 36 more zeros behind it. The reason why gravity has a lower relative strength (weaker) is because gravity is acting on all matter or the entire energy/mass of an object and not just on electrically charged particles. Thus gravitational waves and electromagnetic waves must be the same. Also, gravitational radiation and electromagnetic radiation must be the same. The reason why string theory predicts the graviton is because it is the same force that is responsible for electromagnetism, thus the gravitons and photons must be the same. So, one may say that gravity is a process and not really a force, although the process does create a force. Reverse the process and you may have anti-gravity. Could it be that the force carrying virtual photons cannot be detected because they are in another dimension?

I don't know if the above is correct, but it does make sense to me and I believe it is inline with GR, SR, and string theory. I have posted the above ideas in another thread, but not sure if the idea is correct or will even be accepted. I will attach a pdf file that I am drawing my ideas from. Please read the pdf file, because it explains it so much better than I can. I am posting this idea because even if it is only partially correct, it could lead to something that is correct. Just a thought.

"The day you stop thinking is the day you die"



Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: holri on February 18, 2009, 07:45:18 AM
I can't find the book at the web site you mentioned. Is there a chance you could tell me the title or authors name?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on February 19, 2009, 05:00:49 PM
I can't find the book.
Which Book?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Paul-R on February 20, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
Which Book?
It looks like this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/160506551X/sr=1-1/qid=1235140884/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1235140884&sr=1-1&seller=
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on February 20, 2009, 04:20:31 PM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item122

I uploaded this one last September...
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: The_Jerk on February 24, 2009, 07:01:54 AM
ZPR, Aether or whatever you name it, is the basis of all functions effecting "mass", "gravity", and such.  Everything has it's own electromagnetic field.  These fields are controlled by these subatomic particles.  They create friction between atoms forcing them together and apart based on how the angle of electron rotation corresponds to other atoms.  Electricity is permitted to function by aether, magnets are permitted to function by aether.  Magnets are electricity, electricity is magnetism.  All positives and negatives existing anywhere are bound together by aether friction created by the rotation of electrons around the nucleus.  The only way to excite the aether to make it behave like a solid is plain and simple.  To form friction between the aether and electrons.  The likelyhood of manufacturing a spherical device to compress electrons into themselves is out of reach, but simply exciting the aether requires the use of nature.  DNA, Photons, Sound and Force all propagate in a vortexial fashion(John Tyndall).  Wave physics show us just how to do it with everything.  The rotational magnetic field is nothing new, even exciting aether has been going on for over a hundred years.  Magnets are not just pulling electrons from the air, the magnetic field is created by friction between aether and electrons.  If you break a permanent magnet in half, the split portions will repel each other.  Why is that?  They were magnetized!  Electrons were compressed which created vast amounts of friction between the aether and the electrons.  This friction makes an imbalance in the center of the magnet that can only compensate by shitting an electron cloud out of each end.  The electrons move out far enough and ride as close as they can before being sucked back in the other end to do it all over again.  While absolutely amazing, a magnet simply cannot excite the aether,(which is powering the electron flow),outside of itself.  Electron compression is required.  Harmonic Rotational Electro/Magnetic Field: Creates fire tornadoes!  Enjoy
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: holri on March 04, 2009, 03:53:44 AM
I'm still looking for the book that pasi 1 mentioned: the book that is written in finnish and that discusses whitley streibers counter rotating magnets.
I can't find it on the web site. Does anyone know the title of the book or the name of the author?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: giantkiller on March 06, 2009, 05:06:28 AM
Ya, rotating magnetic fields should produce gravitation anomalies. (No that's not proven yet). :)

You can always use gears to step up the rpm, no need of high rpm motors. Say, use a 100:1 gear with a 1k rpm motor to get 100k rpm. (Or a series of gears of lower ratios)

Place a weight on different positions around it and measure weight changes.
Now how to detect weight changes ? You'd need a very very sensitive balance and the whole thing should be in a vacuum chamber, else air will interfere and can produce lift.

Difficult, but possible to experiment.

Oh yes it is sir...
Searl.

--giantkiller. If it runs itself it does way more!
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: giantkiller on March 06, 2009, 08:48:51 PM
Oh yes it is sir...
Searl.

--giantkiller. If it runs itself it does way more!

That is Searle effect.

Interference of 2 or many fields. Keely + Tesla = Hutchison.

You all have seen the Searle generator spinning. Just put a loop of Romex right out of the box on top and tap the power off of it.

--Jian K'lar.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: nave on September 26, 2015, 04:45:37 PM
im very poor in english , please read Carefully

you notice that  counter rotating  magnet not efficient  for levitation and anti-g ... you need electrostatic , longitiudinal wave(scalar wave) , longitudinal standing wave ....  for this you need alumium(hamel use this metal in his antigravity mashine for electrostatic charge or longitudinal wave between magnets in form of pipe shape)  or coopper (john searl device use this metal)
 and neodemyum(searl use this) or cobalt (diploma device use this that in alnico magnet )  and plastic or dielectric i don no for what reason.

aluminium or coopper  -- neodymium or cobalt  --  - plastic   --- magnet ---

you notice that in crystul structure of cobalt and neodymium both are hexagonal  ( searl told : neodymium layer serves as a source or reservoir of electron charges that are drawn out by electromagnetic induction  or radient energy )   and victor grebennikov ( hexagonal shape emit longitiudinal wave , de broglie wave in Nest bee , notice that one wing over another create levitatin(to longitiudina wave) )
 
 
you notice that leedskalnin in make of coral castel ( told: for levitation you must give frequency to magnet ... pmh(perpetual motion mashine)give dc pulse to pmh and  Creation longitiudinal wave(when to defferent magnet pole face to face create longitudinal (just like counter rotate current bifilar coil tesla not normal bifilar coil tesla that two current identical direction)   // may bunch of pmh and adjust to creation standing wave or different form of Interference between longitudinal  wave but in identical frequncy) ....

all of this feature is in alnico magnet

counter-rotating magnet ==== rotating magnet = frequncy  and make longitudinal wave and Interference between longitudinal wave(standing wave longitiudinal(gravity)  and magnet  and aluminium )

moving charge create magnetic field  = http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/hamsear.htm
 
stan deyo levitation device ( Interference between longitiudinal wave ( in form of standing,stationary wave )

tesla coil create longitiudinal wave then two tesla coil in (identical frequnecy)  and  if  may make standing wave in some area creat gravity.

and in your mind that It works with longitiudinal wave(scalar wave) ... if you know what does frequency created, you able to levitate , make gravity , teleport , spoon bend ( just like hutchison effect)

two electromagnetic pole or wave  create longitudinal  and two or more longitiudinal wave (in some condition ) create gravity or anti-g . but  may magnet be needed for this (kesh foundation said : magnetic field create gravity  http://keshefoundation.org/new-horizons/fields/217-principle-of-magnetism
http://keshefoundation.org/new-horizons/gravity
http://keshefoundation.org/applications/space/gravitational-technology/140-gravitational-positioning-spacecrafts-propulsion-systems
)

and plasma , may ingnition , They say emit longitiudinal wave ( http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/FlatSpiralSecondaryPlasmaBall01.htm )
plasma with longitudinal in some frequency  cure disease
tesla coil in various frequncy  (electrotherapy)

longitiudinal scalar wave :::    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scalar_wave#cite_note-14


nikola tesla longitiudinal wave (((((((
http://journal.borderlands.com/2010/the-broadcast-power-of-nikola-tesla-part-1/  ( Gerry Vassilatos — from Borderlands (Vol. LII, Number 2, Second Quarter 1996) )

"Tesla was sure that this new discovery would produce a completely new breed of inventions, once tamed and regulated. Its effects differed completely from those observed in high frequency alternating current. These special radiant sparks were the result of non-reversing impulses. In fact, this effect relied on the non-reversing nature of each applied burst for its appearance. A quick contact charge by a powerful high voltage dynamo was performing a feat of which no alternating generator was capable. Here was a demonstration of “broadcast electricity”.
Most researchers and engineers are fixed in their view of Nikola Tesla and his discoveries. They seem curiously rigidified in the thought that his only realm of experimental developments lay in alternating current electricity. This is an erroneous conception which careful patent study reveals. Few recognize the documented facts that, after his work with alternating currents was completed, Tesla switched over completely to the study of impulse currents. His patents from this period to the end of his career are filled with the terminology equated with electrical impulses alone.

The secret lay principally in the direct current application in a small time interval. Tesla studied this time increment, believing that it might be possible to eliminate the pain field by shortening the length of time during which the switch contact is made. In a daring series of experiments, he developed rapid mechanical rotary switches which handled very high direct voltage potentials. Each contact lasted an average of one ten-thousandth second.
Exposing himself to such impulses of very low power, he discovered to his joy and amazement that the pain field was nearly absent. In its place was a strange pressure effect which could be felt right through the copper barriers. Increasing the power levels of this device produced no pain increase, but did produce an intriguing increased pressure field. The result of simple interrupted high voltage DC, the phenomenon was never before reported except by witnesses of close lightning strokes. This was erroneously attributed however to pressure effects in air.

. . .
Tesla made electrical measurements of this projective stream. One lead of a galvanometer was connected to a copper plate, the other grounded. When impulses were applied to wire line, the unattached and distant meter registered a continual direct current. Current through space without wires! Now here was something which impulses achieved, never observed with alternating currents of any frequency.
Analysis of this situation proved that electrical energy or electrically productive energies were being projected from the impulse device as rays, not waves. Tesla was amazed to find these rays absolutely longitudinal in their action through space, describing them in a patent as “light-like rays”. These observations conformed with theoretical expectations described in 1854 by Kelvin.
In another article Tesla calls them “dark-rays”, and “rays which are more light-like in character”. The rays neither diminished with the inverse square of the distance nor the inverse of the distance from their source. They seemed to stretch out in a progressive shock-shell to great distances without any apparent loss.
. . .
Most imagine that the Tesla impulse system is merely a “very high frequency alternator”. This is a completely erroneous notion, resulting in effects which can never equal those to which Tesla referred. The magnetic discharge device was a true stroke of genius. It rapidly extinguishes capacitor charge in a single disruptive blast. This rapid current rise and decline formed an impulse of extraordinary power. Tesla called this form of automatic arc switching a “disruptive discharge” circuit, distinguishing it from numerous other kinds of arc discharge systems. It is very simply a means for interrupting a high voltage direct current without allowing any backward current alternations. When these conditions are satisfied, the Tesla Effect is then observed.
. . .
The asymmetrical positioning of the capacitor and the magnetic arc determines the polarity of the impulse train. If the magnetic arc device is placed near the positive charging side, then the strap is charged negative and the resultant current discharge is decidedly negative.
Tesla approached the testing of his more powerful systems with certain fear. Each step of the testing process was necessarily a dangerous one. But he discovered that when the discharges exceeded ten thousand per second, the painful shock effect was absent. Nerves of the body were obviously incapable of registering the separate impulses. But this insensitivity could lead to a most seductive death. The deadly aspects of electricity might remain. Tesla was therefore all the more wary of the experiments.
He noticed that, though the pain field was gone, the familiar pressure effect remained. In its place came a defined and penetrating heat. "))))))))



Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Etown on March 04, 2016, 11:06:06 PM
Hi guys,

I'm new on the forum and was happy to see this thread. I have been interested in natures forces for a long time and recently have been reading a tesla book that sparked some thoughts. I thought up some similar devices to what you guys are talking about. Although for different reasons. I was more interested in the magnetic cogging that is produced in this design for potential power generation.  I was wondering if any of you would have any suggestions for some pulse coil designs to get this baby spinning so I can start experimenting with different power generation coil designs. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Etown on March 04, 2016, 11:12:57 PM
Here is a video of first test to see basic mechanics.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: CANGAS on March 05, 2016, 10:11:34 AM
I just have one simple question.

WHO IS THE MORON WHO HAS UPLOADED AN IMAGE SO FAR OUT OF SCALE THAT IT MAKES VIEWING THE THREAD IMPOSSIBLE?!


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Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: z.monkey on March 05, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
http://scientilosopher.blogspot.com/2011/10/diamag-test-platform.html
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 05, 2016, 10:52:12 AM
Cerrolow 117 as an alternative to Mercury
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: franco malgarini on March 05, 2016, 02:06:36 PM
My Gyroscope:




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Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Paul-R on March 05, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
I just have one simple question.

WHO IS THE MORON WHO HAS UPLOADED AN IMAGE SO FAR OUT OF SCALE THAT IT MAKES VIEWING THE THREAD IMPOSSIBLE?!


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Remember that he is new.
There should be a width limit set at 800 pixels, maybe less (with an option to upload a version version to storage somewhere if the picture is VERY detailed and intricate.

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Stefan: Would you wish to set such a limit?
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Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Etown on March 08, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Remember that he is new.
There should be a width limit set at 800 pixels, maybe less (with an option to upload a version version to storage somewhere if the picture is VERY detailed and intricate.

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Stefan: Would you wish to set such a limit?
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can I remove the picture ? I just uploaded from my pictures and didn't realize it would be some ridiculous size or I obviously would not have done that. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Nink on March 08, 2016, 02:51:28 AM
Yep just click modify and upload a smaller picture (it will replace the existing one) .  Use paintbrush or your favorite editing tool to shrink it   We will flip to a new page soon so the problem will eventually go away for people who don't go back to this page.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: franco malgarini on March 08, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
Monography:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/xloa9zana7dcnag/Monografia+Propulosione+a+Campi+Magnetici+Rotanti.pdf



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Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Etown on March 11, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
Well ...  for some reason I do not see the option to delete or modify my post on the thread or in the my post/attachments screen.   :-[
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2016, 01:29:34 PM
Well it [the option ] goes away after a certain time has passed
if you do This [keep written lines shorter and cycle your lines instead of run on]
it will stay over on left side of the Page and all can read with out putting on
sneakers and running back and forth.

when it turns to the next page it will reboot to normal size .

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Chet
PS
I see the slide bar thingy [on right side page position indicator on my main screen] shows we are getting
close to the end of this page , should turn soon





























































































some times this helps move it along to the next page and then you can repost the image
in a smaller format so more will read and comment

Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
I have to say
I do like Franco's gyroscope










its very Nice


and now you have the next page....

 8)

no charge  :D
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: verpies on March 11, 2016, 02:22:04 PM
Well it [the option ] goes away after a certain time has passed
if you do This [keep written lines shorter and cycle your lines instead of run on]
it will stay over on left side of the Page and all can read with out putting on
sneakers and running back and forth.
The overunityresearch.com does not have this problem because it resizes pictures.

The ultimate solution for a webmaster would be to resize the inline images to the width of the client's window. 
Is that so difficult to do?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
Yes
It must be almost impossible ...since Tinsel has Begged for a decade [at least]
to do this ??

seems Over unity will come first ??

then maybe Stefan will buy the delux package ?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: citfta on March 11, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
Some of the other forums I belong to will not let you up load a picture if it is over a certain file size.  Is that hard to do?  It seems like the easiest solution but I am no web site guru so I don't really know.

I just saw at the bottom of the reply window there is a limit on file size but it is 7000KB.  Can't that be reduced to a more reasonable size?
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: e2matrix on March 11, 2016, 05:53:29 PM
Yes
It must be almost impossible ...since Tinsel has Begged for a decade [at least]
to do this ??

seems Over unity will come first ??

then maybe Stefan will buy the delux package ?
I've told TK and have mentioned it many times here.  The solution is simple.   User Opera web browser for viewing here and click the 'Fit to Width' button (mine is in bottom right corner) and everything fits to the width of your screen without changing the text size.   It seems other browsers should have this option too - I haven't really looked into it but Opera has been an innovator since way back in introducing new things that usually end up in  other browsers eventually.

The other thing is that if you have a newer large monitor AND your screen resolution is set quite high like 2560 x 1440 it is rarely a problem with any browser.  If you are still using 800 x 600 or even 1024 x 768 you will have that problem often.   As much time as most people spend on their computers it is worth the upgrade if you don't have a larger screen and video that supports it.
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: Paul-R on March 31, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
I haven't been keeping up with thiws thread but wondered if this has been covered:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm
Title: Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
Post by: lumen on March 31, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
Interesting article.
Possibly they are about to discover something important about gravity.
I hope they don't turn further in the direction of a project I am working on. (seems closely related)