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Author Topic: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets  (Read 74252 times)

Offline squegee69

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2008, 06:57:19 AM »
The best idea would be to use 2 hard disk motor mounted together with as low distance in betwen the rotating magnet.
 that'd be cheap enough to actually toy with it..


I've got 2 shot HDD's sitting here on my desk right now (shot plattens but motors and magnets good) and I'm willing to sacrifice them.  How would you propose configuring?  Also got a butt-load of neo magnets from 8t all the way up to 48t.  Any suggestion on config?


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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2008, 08:52:09 AM »
Ya, rotating magnetic fields should produce gravitation anomalies. (No that's not proven yet). :)

You can always use gears to step up the rpm, no need of high rpm motors. Say, use a 100:1 gear with a 1k rpm motor to get 100k rpm. (Or a series of gears of lower ratios)

Place a weight on different positions around it and measure weight changes.
Now how to detect weight changes ? You'd need a very very sensitive balance and the whole thing should be in a vacuum chamber, else air will interfere and can produce lift.

Difficult, but possible to experiment.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 10:29:39 PM »
If i recall hard disk motor has 4 connection on their pin board , and you can choose depending on wich one you use the direction it will turn


I'd simply use the 2 hd motor you have , keep the hard disk plate as a base to glue your magnet on it and find a way to tie them together  with some copper tube wielded together or any other kind of material .

Now i don't know if you could reuse the hdd board to change rpm but im pretty sure it would be simplier to tie a small variable resistor on it . Maybe use 2 , one for each and play with different speed since it's not sure how fast you need them to go .


There is always a better option , king's canada sell dremel that goes to 12,000 rpm with a digital screen displaying your current rpm and it is fully adjustable so that could be a route to go as well.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2008, 06:09:29 PM »
I tried to understand why we need counter-rotating wheel to control gravity.

I think I have a part of the answer, When you want control the gravity you need a way to go in both direction UP or DOWN.

If you want to go UP, on one of the 2 rotors go slower and the other stay in his maximum speed, if you want to go DOWN the opposite append, one wheel go slower then the other.

So if you want to go LEFT or RIGHT, you can use the same principle. Basically a saucer should have 4 anti-gravity engine one for each axis X, Y, Z and maybe one to move at angle W.

The X, Z and W need a smaller engine since they only need to move the main floating object, the Y is the main and bigger one to move the entire saucer against planet gravity.

I think that when they travel in space the main anti-gravity (Y) face the direction where they want to go. The X and Z axis and W motor are just used for orientating the saucer in the direction they want to move using the Y engine.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2008, 07:17:23 PM »
I don't think that aliens use AG for travel. There is no gravity to go against in most of the space, for millions of light years, not even a star....

They must be using it for hovering over planets but, honestly this is all speculation, we dont even know what gravity is. We have theories , thats all.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2008, 07:28:57 PM »
Why i think , magnets can lead to AG ? because of gravitomagnetism (see wikipedia)
Similarities are cool.

But static magnetic fields dont produce any effect, else everyone would have discovered them by now.
Electromagnets and antennas can produce varying magnetic fields, (EMFs), but they r too weak to produce anything interesting and may be they are not suitable (configs and all)

So rotating the magnets mechanically should show something. Like a superconductor, may be.
And AG is a road to FE, for sure.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2008, 02:23:04 AM »
When we do figure it out, we're all gonna be kicking ourselves in the butt.  This has got to be something really simplistic.  (I'd really love to see inside of Wm. Lynne's Himmelkompass)

Look at the gyroscopic effect.  Basically this thread starts with the idea of adding magnetism to the gyro force.  Assuming the whole vacuum is full of aether, then there will definitely be some kind of interaction between the magnetism and that field.  The spinning motion is merely the push needed to propel the mass.  The magnetism becomes the rudder that steers the way.  Inertia calculated as a function of force plus direction.

I am playing with the HDD's.  Sorry for the long delays - had to replace a small torx bit before I could open the clamshells.  Also, those reader-arm magnets inside the HDD's are truly sweet - anyone else playing around with magnets, be sure to hang on to those curved beauties.  I almost broke a finger playing around with one. 

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2008, 01:38:47 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Sorry I have been gone a while.  I gotta go to work and take care of the house every once in a while...

I was reading back through this thread and I noticed (don't know why i didn't notice before) that Pasi1's diagram in the first post has the same configuration as my Infinity Transformer with a little different explanation.  My Infinity Transformer is based on the Hubbard Coil which Alfred M. Hubbard built in the first quarter of the 20th Century.  In the Hubbard Coil thread I had postulated that his design may have been from extraterrestrial beings, a scale model of their electrogravity engine.

So I am going to interject the idea that a electrogravity ship is going to have more than one system to make it do the fantastic things that it does.  The large counter rotating masses are gyroscopic in nature giving the ship dimensional stability.  This is different than anti-gravity.  An antigrav would repulse against another gravity field.  This would require the ship to stay in close proximity to a planet or another gravity field in order to operate.  If the ship were to develop its own gravity field then it could operate in free space. However I do not think that the counter rotating masses can do this own their own.  There needs to be an electrostatic component to the complete the effect.  This is where the Electromagnetic coils come into the picture.  This electrogravity ship needs high voltage to drive and bias the counter rotating wheels.  Whether it is two motors driving two wheels or one motor driving a transmission gear system and driving the two wheels there needs to electromotive force to drive the wheels.  There needs to be plentiful electric power to maintain the momentum in the counter rotating wheels and charge the wheels with a high voltage.  This amplifies the effect by electrostatic attraction of ethers and perhaps gravitons.  The field that the ship generates is responsible for generating the gravity and not the individual components which generate the field.  The electrostatic force attracts, from the environment surrounding the ship, what it needs to generate the gravity field.  The spinning masses by themselves generate a gyroscopic  forces which stabilize the ship.  The electrostatic forces generate a flow of particles across the surfaces of the spinning masses.  The synergistic effect draws the energies from the environment around the ship creating an artificial gravity field around the ship.

I have read that gravity is not a continuous force.  It is oscillatory in nature.  It seems constant because we do not notice the nutation.  The theory is that the sun emits a highly penetrating radiation that is transmitted to objects which have considerable mass, ie planets, moons, asteroids.  This highly penetrating radiation is in the area of a Terahertz.  The combination of the Terahertz radiation and the mass generate gravity.  I know this is "out there".  We have been forced to accept Newtonian Physics for our entire lives.  The electrogravity machine does not fit into Newtonian Physics.  We have to look deeper into the workings of nature to understand the electrogravity machine.  We need to look at Cosmic Physics.  We need to look at the highest science.  We need to understand the true workings of the universe on a quantum level, and not the theories that are taught in man's schools.  Who do we ask for such information?  Believe it or not this information does exist on our little backwater planet.  It is in ancient records.  It is in the Akashic Record.  It has been channeled from extraterrestrials.  It is even written in our sacred texts which are lying about everywhere.  Who would think to read the Bible with a physics context?  In the book of Ezekiel there is a Cosmic Chariot described in great detail. If we would get the physicists to read religious texts, that would be a miracle.

OK, Back to the ship.  So the electrogravity engine uses the spinning masses, and I do mean masses not CDs or disk platters, to create a gyroscopic stabilizing effect.  Then the electrostatic force on the spinning masses attracts energy and particles from the surrounding environment to develop an electrogravity field spinning about the exterior of the ship.  This field utilizes radiation, originally from the sun, to produce a gravity field, and the primary particles in this field of energy are ethers and gravitons.

Here is a picture of what was supposed to be a Searle Disk.  Turns out that it did do have the balance or sophistication to be a Searle Disk so I turned it into a alternator.  I'm working on a new design for the electrogravity engine incorporating all the new material I have found.  It could take a while to do this, but slow progress is better then none at all...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2008, 12:28:16 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Here is my preliminary plan.

So, at the moment, I am working out the power source first, the Infinity Transformer.  A vehicle needs an independent power source and a free energy generator is the obvious choice.  This is something that I have been developing specifically for this purpose.  Then I want to make a magnetic bearing system to support the rotating masses.  I envision a conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "axle" and a inverse conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "hub".  There would be two sets of magnetic bearings which hold each  wheel independently.  There would be a large screw which holds all the bearings in place vertically, but the rotating masses would not touch the screw or magnetic bearings.  Then we squeeze the bearings together to pinch the magnetic fields firmly.  This will tighten the rotating masses into their domain so they don't pitch about when we apply electromagnetic forces to spin the masses.  The rotating masses will be built with neodymium magnets in their periphery with alternating poles pointed outward.  We can then use solenoids and Hall Effect sensors to generate a motor action which will cause the mass to spin.  This will require using a microcontroller to make a multiphase motor driver for each rotating mass. The solenoid coils would need to be mounted around the periphery of the rotating masses to effect the neodymium magnets around the rotating masses.  This is a similar but more advanced version of what is pictured above.

I would like to draw this, but don't have the time right away.  Any one need a project?  All of the ideas above are preliminary.  Right now we are in the research phase of the so everything is fluid, changeable.  But once we start fabricating parts it will be more difficult to change our minds.

Blessed Be

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2008, 08:52:20 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Here is my preliminary plan.

So, at the moment, I am working out the power source first, the Infinity Transformer.  A vehicle needs an independent power source and a free energy generator is the obvious choice.  This is something that I have been developing specifically for this purpose.  Then I want to make a magnetic bearing system to support the rotating masses.  I envision a conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "axle" and a inverse conical shape with integrated neodymium magnets to be the "hub".  There would be two sets of magnetic bearings which hold each  wheel independently.  There would be a large screw which holds all the bearings in place vertically, but the rotating masses would not touch the screw or magnetic bearings.  Then we squeeze the bearings together to pinch the magnetic fields firmly.  This will tighten the rotating masses into their domain so they don't pitch about when we apply electromagnetic forces to spin the masses.  The rotating masses will be built with neodymium magnets in their periphery with alternating poles pointed outward.  We can then use solenoids and Hall Effect sensors to generate a motor action which will cause the mass to spin.  This will require using a microcontroller to make a multiphase motor driver for each rotating mass. The solenoid coils would need to be mounted around the periphery of the rotating masses to effect the neodymium magnets around the rotating masses.  This is a similar but more advanced version of what is pictured above.

I would like to draw this, but don't have the time right away.  Any one need a project?  All of the ideas above are preliminary.  Right now we are in the research phase of the so everything is fluid, changeable.  But once we start fabricating parts it will be more difficult to change our minds.

Blessed Be

@z

Wouldn't it be a moot point if the "driving" system is lossy, given that the input is free power?  While it would be perfect to ascertain the absolute in perfection throughout, this could still be a success if even only the powering side is over unity.  Kind of like Hubbard ran into c.a. 1920 when he had to power  his boat on his coil alone.  I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer, but seems to me like the final proof is related to the ongoing electrical input.  Myself, I'm having lots of fun with batteries, hss hdd motors, and spool systems, but that can only entertain my young children just so long.  Hahaha,  Still seeing interesting and non-documented results along the way.

Peace all!

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2008, 12:49:24 AM »
Very intersting, actually i was thinking back again to my antigravity research.
I have built an inertial propulsor using rotating masses , it loses weight , but not so much to be usefull
for thrusting, it is bades around gyros, 3 gyros rotating in a direction mounted on a base rotating in a plane which is ortogonal to both angular momentum, this is officially called precession, but i think that a lot more is involved.
I am willing to partecipate in this project since i have too many ideas to share.
My intention is to build a high voltage generator and electrify two counter rotating alluminiun plaets, just like the guy in
the thread above.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2008, 01:35:24 AM »
Howdy V71,

Welcome to the Weird Science Club...

squeege69, yeah, the system will be "lossy" but we can look at that as work done.  In fact it is going to take a lot of energy to fly.  This is why were starting with a free energy generator, maybe we can make it economical to fly.  Even a scale model with two iron flywheels it will still take a considerable amount of energy to spin the wheels up to lift velocity and maintain that velocity and have reserve energy to maneuver.  A small note here, I have been reviewing the Vril notes and the upper flywheel is smaller in diameter than the lower flywheel.  On the advanced Vril ship there are 3 gyros mounted on the lower flywheel for stabilization.  Apparently the two flywheels alone are wobbly, hard to control.  A story about the original test flight stated that the pilot (an experienced Luftwaffe combat pilot) barely escaped with his life because the Vril ship was so hard to control.  So I guess that we are already modifying the original plans...

Blessed Be...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2008, 10:21:53 AM »
The reason why a flywheel is smaller in diameter is because of differential graviton flow pressure , my theory is that gravity is made of particles which flows into matter in an anisotropic fashion where mass is absent, mass as an inherent (sp??)  propriety of allowing gravitons to flow inside of it, the more flux, the heavier the object is.
This explains also why an object cannot travel more than the speed of light.
At that speed , the graviton flux, cannot move inside an object more than the speed it is intrinsically allowed to move.
The earth is massive in mass , so an enormous flow of gravitons travels from the surrounding space , unordered, into the earth, the flow is directed towards the center, and thus is oriented , once reached the center, the nucles starts to heat, gravitons are partially rejected, back, and create an outward current .
So gravity is attractive and repulsive , just like the magnetism.
Actually there are several ways to block the influx of gravitons
high voltage ( are electrons really gravitons particles ?)
rotating magnetic fields
specially designed arrays of nanomaterials
frequency vibration , both sound and em wave
The gyros on the Vril , reminds me of my attempts to inertial propulsion, i think that the reason was to stabilisze the device, i noticed that the formulas in books are wrong in the case of precession.
I found that it is not the classic a=mgr/I formula which describes the precession force.
Another one is to cancel the magentic field, in an em wave leaving the electrical component to oscillate.
Electrical oscillation forces the g vector to align orthogonally to the e field.
Basically , e, b, g are vector which are orthogonal to each other, university teaches us that only e and b are orthogonal.
But the poyinting vector which is the cross vector beetween e and b, is acutally the g v ector
Worth to investigate.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2008, 02:50:12 PM »
Howdy V71,

You are the only person that I have seen use the word graviton on this website the entire time I have been a member.  I haven't read all the threads, but I have read a lot.  I do believe that faster than light travel is possible, but it is going to take more than the Vril technology to do that.  Also the information I have about Vril technology leaves a lot of questions.  I have a lot of information available to me, but it is all superficial.  There are not many critical technical details.  There are people out there in the world that understand this technology completely, and may even have functioning levitators, but they cannot share any information because they are part of some secret group.  That is all right, because I am going to learn a lot more about this technology by starting from scratch, rather than if I was to make a copy of someones design.  One thing is for sure, this is going to be a lot of machine work, my favorite...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2008, 04:45:35 AM »
Howdy V71,

Welcome to the Weird Science Club...

squeege69, yeah, the system will be "lossy" but we can look at that as work done.  In fact it is going to take a lot of energy to fly.  This is why were starting with a free energy generator, maybe we can make it economical to fly.  Even a scale model with two iron flywheels it will still take a considerable amount of energy to spin the wheels up to lift velocity and maintain that velocity and have reserve energy to maneuver.  A small note here, I have been reviewing the Vril notes and the upper flywheel is smaller in diameter than the lower flywheel.  On the advanced Vril ship there are 3 gyros mounted on the lower flywheel for stabilization.  Apparently the two flywheels alone are wobbly, hard to control.  A story about the original test flight stated that the pilot (an experienced Luftwaffe combat pilot) barely escaped with his life because the Vril ship was so hard to control.  So I guess that we are already modifying the original plans...

Blessed Be...

Amen to that, Brother.  Did not mean to leave you with the impression I was being critical.  Considering the day and age we live in, once one problem is solved, the other will come along nicely.  Correct about relearning everything - getting untaught all the mischief we picked up in classical education is going to be a chore.

If you don't mind my asking, are your sources of information on Vril public or private in nature?  Any resources you can point a fellow hungry mind toward?

Peace!

 

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