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Author Topic: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets  (Read 75104 times)

Offline squegee69

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2008, 02:14:09 AM »
@z.monkey and others,

Joseph Farell gave a pretty good description about the ancient devices from his translations of hindu texts.  The book "The Cosmic War" had all the details.  More interesting was the fact that all these devices used mercury (in some form or other, i.e. red mercury) which has been shown to have interesting counter-rotational properties in the presence of heat, and counter-gravitational properties in the presence of magnetism and/or high-energy pulses (a la TT Brown).  Other elements were used such as sapphire and quartz.  More recent "modern" discoveries in science tend to back up much of what was documented thousands of years ago.  They key always seems to be the magnetic aspects.  Reading about the Nazi Bell really sparks the imagination about where this goes.

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I hope some of you big brains do end up getting funded to research this.  Amen to levelling the playing field.

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Offline z.monkey

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 02:49:48 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

TheOne, That is cool, an actual piece of history, at least a photograph anyway...

squegee69, All of the Nazi's knowledge about levitation and teleportation came from ancient Indian texts called the Vedas.  They describe Vimiana which were the transportation in ancient India during a time period called the Raman Empire.  These Vimiana were antigravity flying machines which could travel into space and under the ocean.  They used mercury because of its mass.  They would pump the mercury in two circular tubes around the perimeter of the ship in a counter rotating directions.  This has the same effect as two flywheels spinning in counter rotating directions, as I described earlier in this thread.  It is the bi-gyroscopic mass which generates the antigravity effect, magnetism, and electricity in these machines.  The Raman Empire was destroyed by Nuclear War more than 40,000 years ago...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 03:21:54 AM »
Very interesting. I was only thinking about magnets spinning inside rings within rings trying to figure out anti-gravity, sorta like the planets going around the sun... What do you all make of Dennis Lee, the guy in that documentary "A Case For Free Electricity" ?? Is he the real deal or a scammer? Cool video anyway...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2008, 03:55:19 AM »
@z.monkey

Cocaine's a hell of a drug........

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2008, 04:00:27 AM »
Howdy Fran,

I have the Dennis Lee VHS video from about 10 years ago.  His machine is very interesting.  It uses neodymium magnets in non-conventional configuration so that you can pull the field coils while the generator is running.  This means no down time.  You can replace a burned out winding without stopping the generator.  Its been a while since I thought about it.  I think antigravity is more about mass than it is about electromagnetism...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 04:02:15 AM »
Howdy Charlie_V,

Yeah, not on coke, sorry...

However I do eat lots of chiles... 

Like Habaneros and Bhut Jolokias...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2008, 04:09:47 AM »
Lets say I have 2 rotating wheel with opposing direction, 2 massives wheel in MDF with magnet, what is the required RPM needed to begin to see an anti-grav effect?

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2008, 04:25:02 AM »
Howdy TheOne,

That really is TBD.  There is no specific data on the internet, only theoreticals.  I would assume that is in the range of the speed where the gyroscope starts exhibiting it unique behavior.  Probably around 10,000 to 13,000 RPM.  So, this system would have to be very highly balanced.  In a mechanical system the bulk of the mass would have to be around the periphery of the flywheels.  This would require super strong advanced materials to make up the support areas of the wheels.  This is why the mercury system would be better.  You wouldn't need an axle and all the spinning mass that holds the periphery in place.  The antigravity system would be around the edges of the ship and not take up any space on the inside. I have a lot of theory and have worked out probable scenarios in my mind, so I have done a lot of the research.  However to prove the ideas in my mind would be a task of considerable effort and expense.

I really just want to cruising for space chix...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 05:09:24 AM »
z.monkey,

Ho! I did not know that was that high lol

Schaubeger say its need around 1200 RPM to self-start. Don't know for the anti-grav. But its not the same tech.

So to get 13000 RPM its more complicated for simple experiment. Maybe its possible to scale down one (very tiny) using very high speed motor to test this.

What I see for a very simple test bench is to use a small wheel in between 2 rotors, make the small wheel turn, that make the 2 rotors turn on opposite direction, but to get 13000 RPM on the 2 rotors you will need a motor that can run like 100000 RPM, and I prob hard to find this kind of motor (100k with load)!


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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 05:20:59 AM »
Howdy TheOne,

Well, Schaubeger is the master, I am the n00b...  It may be 13000 RPM for something that is 2 inches in diameter, might be 1200 for something 5 meters in diameter.  This is why we need to do research and development.  Without the experimentation we just don't know.  I think the difference is the amount of mass you are trying to move.  The more mass you have the less you have to spin it to get an effect.  Again subject to experimentation.  I think the basic mechanism we need is a counter rotating differential gear system.  When one wheel spins clockwise the other wheel spins at the same rate counter clock wise.  Vectoring the force can come later.  We need to focus on the basic premise first...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2008, 07:23:05 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

TheOne, That is cool, an actual piece of history, at least a photograph anyway...

squegee69, All of the Nazi's knowledge about levitation and teleportation came from ancient Indian texts called the Vedas.  They describe Vimiana which were the transportation in ancient India during a time period called the Raman Empire.  These Vimiana were antigravity flying machines which could travel into space and under the ocean.  They used mercury because of its mass.  They would pump the mercury in two circular tubes around the perimeter of the ship in a counter rotating directions.  This has the same effect as two flywheels spinning in counter rotating directions, as I described earlier in this thread.  It is the bi-gyroscopic mass which generates the antigravity effect, magnetism, and electricity in these machines.  The Raman Empire was destroyed by Nuclear War more than 40,000 years ago...

Blessed Be Brothers and Sisters...

Hi Z.Monkey - where I live, Jalapenos grow best, but I do love a good Hatch or Habanero when I can afford to shop at Central Market.

Any idea what the significance of the red mercury might be, especially with regard to Nazi Bell?  Agreed on the veda texts, thats what I got from my limited research as well, but it sounds like you've done a lot more than "poking around" like me.  Serious study, anyway.  Any ideas on mercury's tendency to "fly into the air" when shocked by extremely high voltage source?  This goes to Bearden's scalar research, as well as some unrelated phenomena reported by other researchers like Hutchison.  The next logical step would be mercury plus ???? something.

This is purely a personal observation, but I have found that the best things about humanity and life are usually the simplest.  Plant a seed - grow a jalapeno and you have dinner.  Does not take an idiot to make it work.  Reading the results of long-term research into these ancient texts just tickles a primitive side in my brain.  The whole concept of energy from the vacuum, aether, gravity-cancelling forces, etc., just seems to me like there's something really simple in front of us we just have not seen yet.  Sorry if this sounds pejorative, but simplicity in truth has always worked for me.

I've amassed a large collection of magnets now, and trained my three kids in the finer art of winding coils.  Going to break up all the old A/C thermostats I've got laying around and start collecting some mercury.  We'll see what happens next.

Bless y'all.

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2008, 10:04:19 AM »
I would keep the mercury thing quiet.
Because of the toxic effects of the stuff you may have gov. officials knocking at your door.
I read of an article were a woman broke a fluor. tube in her home so she called to have the mercury cleaned up.
It cost her  $2000 to get it cleaned up.  And they say those bulbs are energy efficient.  ;D

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 01:30:10 PM »
Howdy squegee69, Abbarue,

I agree that mercury is a hazardous substance and it is not a good idea to mess abound with it in your house.  I once had an accident involving mercury and a alchemy experiment.  I had an experiment explode in my face which involved mercury and I tasted metal for two years after that.  Don't mess around with that stuff.  If anything you need a well suited laboratory with special gear for handling mercury.  BTW cilantro will pull the mercury out of your system.  If you handle mercury or have amalgam fillings it is a good idea to eat cilantro on a regular basis.

The red mercury is mercury mixed with a catalyst agent called cherubim (sp?) I think.  I learned about this when I was studying alchemy.  But I never ferreted out a chemical composition of cherubim.  So that one is a big question mark...

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 11:54:24 PM »
@all

Thanks for the tips on mercury.  I was being a bit facetious, but have had several years experience in handling and containing hazardous materials.  I'm paranoid enough being around that stuff.  However, the cilantro thing was interesting.  I cannot think of the last meal I consumed that did not have cilantro - I'm on the tex-mex diet.

Peace all!

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Re: Antigravity effect based on a principle of counter-rotating magnets
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2008, 12:38:25 AM »
The best idea would be to use 2 hard disk motor mounted together with as low distance in betwen the rotating magnet.
 that'd be cheap enough to actually toy with it..