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Author Topic: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite  (Read 88856 times)

Vortex1

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2008, 07:29:24 PM »
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I agree with your observations except for two points you mention:

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This circuit, however, increases the efficiency, and lets you store some of the energy which is normally lost.

Point one;

Actually this is an extremely inefficient way to light a fluorescent lamp. If you want to explore the efficient way, check out the Royer oscillators used in many laptop computers. The designers of these are extremely energy conscious. No huge ignition coil, no sparking relay contacts which besides EMI radiation losses, heat up thermally and waste lots of energy.

Point two:

In actuality, the energy of the flyback pulse is not lost if uncaptured, but allows the ringing to occur for a longer time and with higher amplitude, therefore the overall energy appears in the secondary, as I pointed out in an earlier post.

To restate,  any attempt to capture or utilize the flyback pulse reduces both the amplitude and duration of secondary oscillations by dampening them. So less energy appears in the secondary.

This dual battery scheme with one charging the other is just sleight of hand. With a little skill, the circuit could be arranged with a single primary battery such that the flyback pulse charges the primary battery. The circuit will still run down the primary battery.

Do extremely careful measurements of the energy budget in this type of circuit to cut through the BS.

To get a quick look at how the energy moves around the circuit, use large electrolytic capacitors instead of batteries as pointed out by others many times earlier.

Bedini will not do this (the single battery), thats why he is able to keep  his snake oil show on the road.

Sooner or later, the truth of this type of intellectual scam will be revealed. Sorry Bedini believers, I bought his book, built his devices, and followed his claims from the very beginning (80's) and my tests show no OU.

But Bedini slips and slides around a lot, and when confronted on the OU issue, he backtracks to "just a better way to charge batteries". Pulse battery charging has been around a long, long time.

If any disagree, go ahead with it, you will certainly learn a few eye opening facts along the way, but only if you take careful energy measurements.

 Just tryin to save y'all some time.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 07:57:09 PM by Vortex1 »

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2008, 07:42:58 PM »
Contrar my friend, the energy of the flyback pulse is not lost if uncaptured, but allows the ringing to occur for a longer time and with higher amplitude, therefore the overall energy appears in the secondary, as I pointed out in an earlier post.

To restate,  any attempt to capture or utilize the flyback pulse reduces both the amplitude and duration of secondary oscillations by dampening them. So less energy appears in the secondary.

This dual battery scheme with one charging the other is just sleight of hand. With a little skill, the circuit could be arranged with a single primary battery such that the flyback pulse charges the primary battery. The circuit will still run down the primary battery.

Do extremely careful measurements of the energy budget in this type of circuit to cut through the BS.

To get a quick look at how the energy moves around the circuit, use large electrolytic capacitors instead of batteries as pointed out by others many times earlier.

Bedini will not do this (the single battery), thats why he is able to keep  his snake oil show on the road.

Sooner or later, the truth of this type of intellectual scam will be revealed. Sorry Bedini believers, I bought his book, built his devices, and followed his claims from the very beginning (80's) and my tests show no OU.

But Bedini slips and slides around a lot, and when confronted on the OU issue, he backtracks to "just a better way to charge batteries". Pulse battery charging has been around a long, long time.

If you disagree, go ahead with it, you will certainly learn a few eye opening facts along the way, but only if you take careful energy measurements.

 Just tryin to save y'all some time.

But I'm lighting my house for less than i'm paying the electric company... Is that not worth the time until we continue to wait for an energy solution?

Vortex1

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2008, 08:05:15 PM »
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But I'm lighting my house for less than i'm paying the electric company... Is that not worth the time until we continue to wait for an energy solution?

Say what?

Try entry again, does not compute.

waterhouse24

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2008, 08:10:43 PM »
Say what?

Try entry again, does not compute.

If I plugged the same bulbs into the grid I would be drawing 36 watts... with this system i'm drawing 3 watts and charging batteries..

compute..

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2008, 08:13:03 PM »
Wha, ha, this thread  becomes one big comic strip  ;D

waterhouse24

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2008, 08:17:35 PM »
Wha, ha, this thread  becomes one big comic strip  ;D

yeh it's a shame, overunity.com generally has some decent people (from my short time here..) I think i'll just become a reader of the forum from now on..

feeding trolls and all that

Vortex1

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2008, 08:18:18 PM »
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f I plugged the same bulbs into the grid I would be drawing 36 watts... with this system i'm drawing 3 watts and charging batteries..

At that rate, sounds like your all ready to set up your own utility company with all those charged batteries How cheap will you sell the electricity? I'll be your first customer. Looks like the energy crisis is over, I can take a nap now.

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2008, 08:31:22 PM »
I think i'll just become a reader of the forum from now on..

Yes, please do.

Let me meanwhile explain why use of a small magnet changes the power consumption of a setting you show in your video with a completely misleading title.
A relay as used has a preferred switch position due to a mechanical spring. It costs a little bit of current and thus power to change this default switch position.
When a magnet is used, the tension of that spring is influenced. In the called 'sweet spot' the spring is just doing it job but almost no power is needed to bring it out of its default position.
This is why the power consumption is changing.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 09:21:26 PM by robbie47 »

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2008, 08:40:04 PM »
At that rate, sounds like your all ready to set up your own utility company with all those charged batteries How cheap will you sell the electricity? I'll be your first customer. Looks like the energy crisis is over, I can take a nap now.

please take a permanent nap fucktard...
i notice you didn't address the efficiency issue raised by waterhouse. just some typical 'asshat trying to be clever' response. not surprised you would be the first customer, it's people like you that run to someone else when they need/want something instead of doing it themselves.

jus' trying to save y'all some time...

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2008, 08:47:14 PM »
Yes, please do.

Let me meanwhile explain why use of a small magnet changes the power consumption.
A relay as used has a preferred switch position due to a mechanical spring. It costs a little bit of current and thus power to change this default switch position.
When a magnet is used, the tension of that spring is influenced. In the called 'sweet spot' the spring is just doing it job but almost no power is needed to bring it out of its default position.
This is why the power consumption is changing.

Dont' worry this will be my last post..

I understand what is happening with the relay..^^  That wasn't the point of the video.. It was to show the other people replicating, that it doesn't have to draw 1.5 amps as it was doing in the video prior to the magnet..  There is another replication here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PpMOrPSXkc) where he uses a 555 timer and gets the current draw down to 250ma with 4 energy saving bulbs.. The point is, this is a practical device that can be used around the home instead of just the usual bedini motor just turning and doing nothing useful... This can actually be used and uses less energy than if we plugged the same bulbs into the grid...

even though it is not OU and probably doesn't charge batteries.. the fact that it's only consuming 250ma at 12 volts is enough to say this is worth taking the time experimenting with..

I will leave it at that and continue experimenting to help bring a better future for my children.


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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2008, 11:14:44 PM »
Dont' worry this will be my last post..

I understand what is happening with the relay..^^  That wasn't the point of the video.. It was to show the other people replicating, that it doesn't have to draw 1.5 amps as it was doing in the video prior to the magnet..  There is another replication here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PpMOrPSXkc) where he uses a 555 timer and gets the current draw down to 250ma with 4 energy saving bulbs.. The point is, this is a practical device that can be used around the home instead of just the usual bedini motor just turning and doing nothing useful... This can actually be used and uses less energy than if we plugged the same bulbs into the grid...

even though it is not OU and probably doesn't charge batteries.. the fact that it's only consuming 250ma at 12 volts is enough to say this is worth taking the time experimenting with..

I will leave it at that and continue experimenting to help bring a better future for my children.



Waterhous

I hope you  change  your mind about   this being  your last post .

I think  you  just need to   figure out  who to ignore .
There are  some people on  this  board that   just arn't  worth  the time it takes to read their  posts .     
I hope you  don't let them  get you  down . 


Thanks for the  link to  that video ........I was wondering if the  circuit   would drive more than one  bulb .


I agree that this   circuit is  worth   looking into .





Near  the start of this  thread   someone  said that the bulbes would not last long .
I  don't agree . 
It seems to me that   they  are being used in a different mode .
Higher  voltage  .....lower  current .
There is a murcury vapor in the bulb  to lower the resistance ........the   higher voltage  probably won't  affect  this  vapor .
I  think that   in effect  we  are making a high  voltage arc light .
As I understand   it .....there is a filament  at each end  of the  tube ........  when  used in a conventional manner  when  these fillaments   burn out  the  bulb no longer works . ...... 
We are not  using  those  fillaments in  the same way ........   

If  anyone   doing  a replication has a burnt  out   bulb  it would be interesting to see  if it still  works   with this circuit .


gary

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2008, 11:25:10 PM »
Waterhous

I hope you  change  your mind about   this being  your last post .

I think  you  just need to   figure out  who to ignore .
There are  some people on  this  board that   just arn't  worth  the time it takes to read their  posts .     
I hope you  don't let them  get you  down . 


Thanks for the  link to  that video ........I was wondering if the  circuit   would drive more than one  bulb .


I agree that this   circuit is  worth   looking into .





Near  the start of this  thread   someone  said that the bulbes would not last long .
I  don't agree . 
It seems to me that   they  are being used in a different mode .
Higher  voltage  .....lower  current .
There is a murcury vapor in the bulb  to lower the resistance ........the   higher voltage  probably won't  affect  this  vapor .
I  think that   in effect  we  are making a high  voltage arc light .
As I understand   it .....there is a filament  at each end  of the  tube ........  when  used in a conventional manner  when  these fillaments   burn out  the  bulb no longer works . ...... 
We are not  using  those  fillaments in  the same way ........   

If  anyone   doing  a replication has a burnt  out   bulb  it would be interesting to see  if it  worked    with this circuit


gary

Gary,

When i was first going through the testing purposes, as to not burn out any new bulbs the bulb i originally tested was a burned out bulb that did not work anymore.  For some reason i kept it, (which i am glad i did)

Peter Lindemann has said he believes this is a Tesla Shockwave.  Because after all traditional car ignition coils are a form of a small telsa coil.  Not exactly, but a form of one none the less.   All the other bulbs I have tested have the filaments twisted together on each stem.  So no you are not feeding through the filament.  I have tried feeding through the filament and it works as well that way, I put a capacitor in between two of the wires of the adjacent tube stems and only used one wire down to the socket on each stem.  It worked also.  I hope this helps you.

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Re: BREAKING : **~Imhotep~**'s Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Lite
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2008, 12:19:52 AM »
Gary,

When i was first going through the testing purposes, as to not burn out any new bulbs the bulb i originally tested was a burned out bulb that did not work anymore.  For some reason i kept it, (which i am glad i did)


I am glad you  saved it too   

:)

I almost   didn't   say anything  because I  thought  it was unlikely  that anyone  would    have a  burnt out bulg on hand . 

Assuming  I am right ........and the  burnt out  bulb will last a long time with this  circuit ..... we then have a another big posative . 


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Peter Lindemann has said he believes this is a Tesla Shockwave.  Because after all traditional car ignition coils are a form of a small telsa coil.  Not exactly, but a form of one none the less.   All the other bulbs I have tested have the filaments twisted together on each stem.  So no you are not feeding through the filament.  I have tried feeding through the filament and it works as well that way, I put a capacitor in between two of the wires of the adjacent tube stems and only used one wire down to the socket on each stem.  It worked also.  I hope this helps you.

**~Imhotep~**

I agree  that an ignition coil is  similar to a Tesla  coil .
To me   the  primary  difference is  a Tesla  coil  is  resonant



You  got me thinking .......  what  if  we converted  the  ignition coil  to  be more like a  Tesla coil ?
Choose a frequency .......    pick a cap to  resonate  with the   ignition coils primary .
Maybe a    small  HV  cap   connected to the   secondary .
It seems to me that the  primary  could be  driven  by a PWM .  ........probably   at very low power . 



My next  project  is  building  a PWM  ......  or 2 or  3 
It seems that every  time I turn  around I  find a new  project  that   a PWM could be used for . 
Once I  get my  PWM going I  think I have most of the stuff to  test  this . 


gary

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« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2008, 02:44:01 AM »
yes the car coils are not tuned.  In the energetics forum ren has proposed a 555 timer with a fet which might fit the bill. other people have also used a 555 timer with a 3055 bi-polar transistor, with success and low current draw.  I dont know if the FET circuit has been tested yet.  But that is something to think about..tuning the circuit.  Another inventor just replicated the circuit and has it only being powered by a 2watt solar power.  So the power consumption is still dropping, 80 ma total.  Its quite amazing, he used a little neomagnet to help tune the relay.

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« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2008, 04:01:49 AM »
Howdy Imhotep,

I have to disagree.  Ignition coils are tuned to the dynamics of a spark plug, an air capacitor.  When the dielectric (air and fuel mixture under pressure) fails the cycle is done.  In your circuit the fluorescent tube (long tube filled with mercury vapor and an inert gas, probably argon) is close enough to the capacitance of a spark plug to work good.  About the proposed driver circuit, sure use a 555 for the timing, and a 2N3055 to amplify it, but keep the relay in the circuit.  Your gonna need some sparks to solicit the free energy.  Use the 2n3055 to drive the relay and then use the relay contacts to drive the coil.  This free energy stuff is really hard to comprehend.  I know for sure that you are not going to get it without making some sparks...

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