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4Tesla

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2008, 02:46:59 AM »
Hi all.. just to let you know.. it didn't work  :( ... couldn't get past the stickies at the beginning of the arrays.. even with 3:1 ratio (4 magnets).. I'm thinking of other ways.

Jason

Ergo

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2008, 08:56:41 PM »
Hi all.. just to let you know.. it didn't work  :( ... couldn't get past the stickies at the beginning of the arrays.. even with 3:1 ratio (4 magnets)..

It doesn't surprise me. I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no gain in balancing the magnetic forces.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5475.msg124439.html#msg124439

AB Hammer

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2008, 10:53:02 PM »
@ Ergo

 Don't be so negative. There is a way and it is possible it will be shown soon.

@ 4Tesla

 Don't give up. I have asked Sean to do a test for me/us and it might be the answer. ( I/we hope) ;)

broli

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2008, 10:59:21 PM »
Lol Ergo or should I call you God since you seem to have the knowledge of all possible uses of magnets ::). This is why I didn't like school. They forced to make you think in only one way and if you tried to be creative points were deducted. Never say never, take a look where you at before making such comments.

4Tesla

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2008, 03:11:02 AM »
It was very close to working..  I'll take some pics as soon as I get my fathers camera.

Some things I've learned.. first, that having the magnets bridged with a steal ball or bolt improves performance.. My magnets were so small (only 1/16" thick) that I didn't use a steal ball.. then I went and bought some bbs and it helped.  second you get more torque with the magnet going through the array at the same level as the array than going over the array.  It still may work if it was tweaked.. maybe bigger magnets, and with my build I couldn't get the armature magnets level with the array.  I'll get photos asap.

Jason

Ergo

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2008, 08:59:15 AM »
It's OK, you can all call me negative, and I really am negative in finding OU in any device using
the Trigate or simular combinations of magnets. It will always even out the forces involved.
You can have temporary movement from these contrapments but you loose that movement in closed loop.

I do believe in OU devices, but only designs that utilises a magnetic gradient to accomplish torque.
The most common is the SMOT, but Sprains device is a more beautiful implementation of this concept.

Paul-R

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2008, 01:16:36 PM »
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4Tesla

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2008, 07:34:35 PM »
It's OK, you can all call me negative, and I really am negative in finding OU in any device using
the Trigate or simular combinations of magnets. It will always even out the forces involved.
You can have temporary movement from these contrapments but you loose that movement in closed loop.

I do believe in OU devices, but only designs that utilises a magnetic gradient to accomplish torque.
The most common is the SMOT, but Sprains device is a more beautiful implementation of this concept.

It isn't a closed loop and it isn't balanced.  I used gaps to keep it from being closed and divided the arrays into thirds and the armature into quarters.. please don't post your same comments over and over.

Thanks,
Jason

Ergo

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2008, 01:32:28 PM »
It isn't a closed loop and it isn't balanced.  I used gaps to keep it from being closed and divided the arrays into thirds and the armature into quarters.

You misunderstand me. It is not the gaps that determine wether it is closed loop or not.
Closed loop simply means self running. If you get it to self run then is is closed loop.
The circular movement being able to run on its own. But this won't happen using the Tri-Gates.
It has been tried countless of times and the efffect declines as soon as you try to make it run circular.
But keep on trying. It fun to read about people trying even the most impossible. Good bless you!

broli

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2008, 01:36:06 PM »
I have so far seen none use shielding as the main theme in their experiments. There are some threads about this but so far I have seen no builds.

Ergo

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2008, 02:41:42 PM »
I have so far seen none use shielding as the main theme in their experiments. There are some threads about this but so far I have seen no builds.

This is because there is no such thing as a shield that isn't attracted to the magnet itself.
The very strong attraction to magnetic flux kills any attempt to use it for OU machines.
This is a pure fact and nothing I just took out of the blue.

broli

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2008, 02:45:25 PM »
This is because there is no such thing as a shield that isn't attracted to the magnet itself.
The very strong attraction to magnetic flux kills any attempt to use it for OU machines.
This is a pure fact and nothing I just took out of the blue.

Who said the shield was being brought in and out? You can have the shield act in such a way that the magnets cause a 0 net force on the shield but still does its job as a shield. But I again forgot that you did all the experiments in your head and we should just quite and listen to you oh almighty Ergo.

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2008, 05:15:10 PM »
You don't have to listen to me. Please keep up your fine balancing acts. It's fun to read about.  ;D

If you "have the shield act in such a way that the magnets cause a 0 net force" then you are balancing the
forces and there is no gain from this type of contraptions. If there were any you could simulate it and find out
how to make it work. Magnetic flux lines is very well known and there is nothing hidden or magical going on.

I'm not trying to stop you from experimenting. I just want to enlighten you about some certain facts.
If you know what you are dealing with you don't have to repeat the same mistakes as all the others before you.
But maybe I'm all wrong about this and you'll soon find the Holy Graal.....NOT!  8)


4Tesla

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2008, 10:55:04 PM »
Ergo.. we don't want your opinion or what you think is fact.. we know what you think.

Thanks,
Jason

4Tesla

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Re: Tri-Gate Motor (TGM)
« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2008, 11:00:05 PM »
I have a new idea for a gate.. I'll see if it works.  I'm getting my fathers camera tonight.. hopefully I'll have pics of my build to post tonight.

Jason