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Discussion board help and admin topics => Half Baked Ideas => Topic started by: lostmente on August 03, 2008, 03:19:18 AM
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Molecular bonds within a molecule are not stationary, not static.
They bend, flex and twist...this actually gives rise to some of the more interesting properties that we see in neurotransmitters...a sort of extra dimension of information transfer.
These bonds, are also open to resonance effects.
I put it that water molecules adequately close to higher frequency and higher energy vibration of a similarly proportional object (say a molecular magnet) could be entrained so the H-O bonds begin to vibrate, eventually resonance could set in and the H-O bond will only in a matter of time have to break.
Perhaps this is the effect seen with electric fields and electrolysis but the majority of what I have seen has been very trial and error, the water molecule is more than large enough to be equated to a mechanical object...as such it is pretty easy to calculate the requirements for the resonance of the bonds...and if you have that, you can quickly find a suitable reference material.
Molecular magnets are good because well, they are molecules. Also, you can indirectly set their vibrations using an oscillating magnetic field...almost instaneously.
Ferro-fluid is well known for its fast reaction to alternating fields.
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so do u propose any particulair frequency(calculation)?Water will both react to a magnetic and electric field if u r willing to do some calculations it may inspire somone to try it out.
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42.8kHz:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm
Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube.
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cool.
i was going to go for something like this
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/vibrat.html
as I wasn't looking to dissociate water but the H-O bond
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_absorption#Technical_explanation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rovibrational_coupling
One day...
for std bond vibration, f=wavelength/velocity= 3*10^6[m/s] / 1.2*10^-6 [m] = 2.5Hz
The absorption feature centered near 970 nm is attributed to a 2V1 + V3 combination, the one near 1200 nm to a V1 + V2 + V3 combination, the one near 1450 nm to a V1 + V3 combination, and the one near 1950 nm to a V2 + V3 combination.[3]
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Idea being here tho that it at an exact octave of the frequency of bond vibration, one could transfere ALOT of energy. And with the entraining device (a molecule) being quite responsive then the effect of hydrogren bonding could be mitigated, esp by pushing down water clustering...like they do with salts in sports drinks (osmotic potential)
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42.8kHz:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm
problem with this number is..that it came from the sky ;D it can be an urban legend all the way as we have multum of them flying here around.Besides Keely used sound waves and those propagate at different speed in water (1500m/s) than electromagnetic waves lostmente is bringing up here.
42,8 kHz comes down to 3,5 cm wave length in water but 0,8 cm in air.
@lostmente
interesting articles,will need some time to go through it .
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problem with this number is..that it came from the sky ;D it can be an urban legend all the way as we have multum of them flying here around.Besides Keely used sound waves and those propagate at different speed in water (1500m/s) than electromagnetic waves lostmente is bringing up here.
42,8 kHz comes down to 3,5 cm wave length in water but 0,8 cm in air.
@lostmente
interesting articles,will need some time to go through it .
Yup, I know it's tantamount to an urban legend, but it makes for a great and entertaining read. Maybe he was resonating the column as a whole and got some kind of sonoluminescence/cavitation effect that cascaded out from a central core? But then maybe not :P
I once read an article on water molecule mechanical resonance, of course the molecules are small so the frequencies are very high, because the three atom molecule has many ways to flex and twist it has many many modes of resonance. I can't find that article again, but it had nice pictures showing the twisting/stretching and flexing modes, there were lots of modes.
I've read the lowest true resonant frequency (not sub harmonic like microwave oven) is 22.235 GHz, interestingly, the ability for the water to sink energy at this frequency is greatly increased as the water is pressurised.
http://brucegary.net/MTP_tutorial/MTP_ch5.html
I'm sure there's other modes of resonance at UV frequencies or something like that.