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powerunlimited

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2008, 07:42:43 AM »
@poynt99 not to be an ass but isn't your belief and mine that the tpu is real, based on
conjecture,did you see one in real life other than in the video,did you fool
with it to see if it wasn't a trick,do you know Jack Durban personally
he says he seen it or Dave Doleshal he seen more than one.Yes a certain part of what I say is my
own conjecture based on facts,also the fact that no one here has a working unit in 2 years,
the reason is real simple you were fed crap,crap in,crap out Steven Mark does not want anybody
to make a working unit because it will effect hes money supply,its that simple.
My point is this in the video of the tpu in the lab setting,how do you know that the litz wire glued
to the edges of the disk  had any function at all or the circuit board seen,he could have hidden another circuit board
in the center of the disk,everybody keeps forgeting the video was made to hook the investors and confuse there engineers,what you see may not be what is.

HEYDUDE

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2008, 03:35:03 PM »
Lets back up and contrast with a truly great experimenter and how he presents his discoveries:


BEP

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2008, 03:37:38 PM »
Sorry,  maybe I should have said wall-receptical  instead of wall-plug.

The video was this one.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvLuQOKOVXQ

Most US homes and buildings never put recepticals that high.   Looks like more proof that it was made for his demo..???


Bill

Like so many ideas posted here don't think the placement of the power outlet is of any value. Such a height is not uncommon in a garage, basement, kitchen, bathroom, dining room or a room to be finished with wainscoting.

The only truth is 'anything is possible'. The only limitation is ours alone. Trickery and deceit or a real working device with these devices is equally plausible. Our belief that we completely understand all the rules of nature is nothing more than arrogance and stupidity. (I'm not calling you stupid any more than I would call myself stupid)

HEYDUDE

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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2008, 11:05:33 PM »
It is sometimes practiced that when presenting a proprietary circuit to a potential customer, the engineer or inventor will encapsulate the prototype and sometimes add extra components that have no value to the circuit. This is to discourage reverse engineering the prototype as sometimes done by OEM's who like to shop around.

It would not  be surprising if SM did include attempts at obfuscation in his units.

Concerning the wall receptacle, makes no difference if it was added or part of original construction, it could have been disconnected from the mains and jumpered either at the receptacle or the wires at the service box. The idea is to create an illusion of power coming from the receptacle, which keeps the focus off what may really be happening. Many magic feats begin with this type of distraction.

Powerunlimited, well stated

You have summarized  what I was getting at, I agree with most of what you said except for this statement:

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the heating problem hasn't been solved,it can't ever be solved,without understanding how it works, thats why you haven't seen a device in the news in all this time.

Lets not make the heating "problem" into so large an issue. I'll buy all the TPU's anyone will sell me with a heating "problem". so will many others. Temperature control is one of my specialties, I'd be glad to have such a problem, especially with winter coming soon.

Where can I get my hands on one of Prof Schinzinger's signed original (or copy) lab reports of the units that were tested? Don't want what someone typed and posted on this site. No way for a deceased Prof. to object to that.

Michelinho

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2008, 11:53:51 PM »


Hi HEYDUDE.

I know sometimes inventors can be a pain but also Letters of Patent.

An inventor (if not open source proponent) will protect his intellectual rights. The system makes it so.

That doesn't make him a bad guy, a misguided one maybe but never bad. There is a sparkle of light in us that can't be denied.

He found one way to make a TPU run but give him a Stubblefield cell and he will probably forfeit. I suspect Tesla, Stubblefield and all the big ones to be indigo child or indigo adults. Apparently I am one of those.

That would explain their affinity with nature and most of their inventions.

If you can't find the way those things work, it doesn't mean they don't work. For his early coils, he was flying blind in the dark and got lucky. That's why his lack of successful reproduction. Apparently he knows how his design works but it might not be in the way of the original design. There are many ways to skin a cat.

Please do not tarnish someone or something you do not comprehend. The TPU and foremost the Stubblefield cell have deep underlying concepts that are even today not achieve by normal science.

Take care,

Michel

HEYDUDE

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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2008, 02:55:34 PM »
Hi Michel

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I suspect Tesla, Stubblefield and all the big ones to be indigo child or indigo adults.
Apparently I am one of those.

We welcome special persons to the forum. Perhaps it will be much easier for such persons as yourself to crack the mystery of the TPU and other "vaporous technology" persued here.

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Please do not tarnish someone or something you do not comprehend. The TPU and foremost the Stubblefield cell have deep underlying concepts that are even today not achieve by normal science.

No one wants to tarnish anything. SM will write his own legacy by his actions. Compare his actions with Faraday.
Also, kindly do not presume to know what I do and do not comprehend.

 We would be grateful if you could explain to us these deep underlying concepts that are "even today not achieved by normal science"

As a matter of fact, they have not been achieved  outside of "normal science" either.

If you have other information we would be grateful if you would post a clear, concise, proof of concept, with pictures and experimental proofs of same in a pdf thesis document. We can have other "indigos" peer revue your work. No pseudoscience gobbledegook, please. Enough of that on the forum.

And heydude, Thanks in advance for your input and welcome.

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There are many ways to skin a cat

p.s. lets not "skin" any more "cats" lest the "animal cruelty prevention people" shut down the forum.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2008, 03:17:16 PM by HEYDUDE »

powerunlimited

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2008, 12:09:18 AM »
To all;a thought crossed my mind,what if Steven Mark has been on this forum
since the first videos were released I believe 2006 and is one of the members that have been around since  2006.
What a perfect way to sabotage any effort to deplicate the tpu and create massive misdirection.
Just a thought I have no proof for or against this theory,just something to keep in mind.

Just another thought, people constantly point out things such the lamps in the video possibly having batteries
 or the base of the big tpu and other things.The video was to hook the investor's greed,the investor would not drop a penny without checking
a lot of things such as bringing there own voltmeters,light bulbs and engineer, these kind of people are greedy scumbags and don't trust anyone.
Jack Durban stated that they thought(investors engineers) it might be radiated power from a hidden transmitter so they did
tests to check this,it passed the test,Jack was a wealth of information.Jack Durban also said that tests were done on the hood of a car far from
Steven Marks home and the tpu worked fine.

Mannix

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2008, 12:34:48 AM »
Some fodder for the screaming children

Some things we do and believe today
May seem irrational in hindsight tomorrow
But still we do and believe them
The challenge is to move trrough them with grace
Those who feel more comfortable with their hads upon the gallows lever
have differnt things to learn, and different ways of learning them.

we all have our misgivings as we do gifts.

So go on, scream. I'm completely done with this thread

HEYDUDE

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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2008, 01:23:42 AM »
Dear Lindsay Mannix

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I for one would like to get a better sense of the events surrounding the SM mystery. You hold the key to this and have the ability to clarify a few things for which we would all be grateful.

So I will pose a few simple questions and hope that you will respond in a gentlemanly manner.
 
You posted reports of Dr. Schinzinger who supposedly tested two of SM's units and the engineer who commented on the impossibility of batteries being used.

These reports seem credible in the reading and are key to establishing authenticity of the devices presented by SM.

1. In what format did you receive Dr. Schinzingers lab reports or the engineers report?
2. Do you have in your possession a copy of Dr. Schinzinger lab reports or the engineers report that was faxed or mailed to you, or sent in some other electronic manner that preserved integrity of the document?
3. Are the reports signed by their authors?
4. Did you type these reports into a post on OU, leaving out header and footer information?

These are reasonable questions asked, hoping they can be answered to put this issue to rest.

Powerunlimited mentioned that the devices could have been energized by hidden RF field. I do not believe this is
possible considering the 800 watts or so of power in the case of the SM17.

 In the case of the smaller units maybe, but toroidal loop antennas are fairly directional and the bulb would have wavered as the toroid was moved off axis.

There are other ways to fake this, but I don't think RF was used. I would like to believe the SM17 was real.

Thanks for your consideration of these questions.

powerunlimited

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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2008, 05:03:57 AM »
@heydude I might not have expained what I said correctly sorry,it was thought at that time that it  was radiated rf power
from a hidden transmitter,it was found that there was no radiated rf power,so that wasn't the source of the power it generates.
I don't believe for one moment that radiated rf power from a hidden transmitter is the source of the tpu's power or it contained batteries
to create the power,maybe one only to start it up,the source of the power is something totally different
and unknown.

Michelinho

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2008, 10:23:44 PM »


The only answer that will satisfy you is if you see the light.

"I am in a circle surrounded by pains."  That should help you find the answer.

Take care,

Michel

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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2008, 12:48:23 AM »
Hey Darren don't let the fact that you cannot get it to work make you think it's a fake okay.
There is not need to take Steven and his invention down.
The TPU operates from a very, very old principle pherhaps one of the oldest principles and Steven just took it a step further, he improved it so to speak.
There are certain elements that are critical for the phenomena to happen, and if one is left out, nothing happens.
So it is not easy to stumble upon the right mix of elements at once, and especially if you do not know what you are looking for.
Steven does not want to give it away and i totally understand this.
That would look like the one guy who is doing all the hard work to give it out to the people who are sitting and waiting untill they are given a perfect blue-print of all the work from the one guy so they can do it right and cheap at once.
Experimenting never hurts! (unless you touch that 1000V charged cap)   :-\

Marco.


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Re: SM expose'
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2008, 05:34:40 AM »
Michel

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The only answer that will satisfy you is if you see the light.
"I am in a circle surrounded by pains."  That should help you find the answer.

Ok You've demonstrated your psychic powers, somehow you knew I stubbed my toe trying to find the bathroom light last night. I'll install one of those lighted switches. Thanks for the tip Mich, now can you make some spoons float in the air like those indigos in Matrix 1. That'd clinch it for me, you'd have a devoted follower.

Marco

You've been telling us this for two years now, "very old principle...yada...certain elements...yada.......right mix of elements...yada...yada...yada.".
By the way how are the dancing magnets and the "Turbo Coil" doing. Led a few people down the magic path with that little hoax.

Lighten up Marco, you take yourself way too seriously. Put your hand in a bucket of water, then pull it out. Did you leave an impression.....no!

BTW. I'm not Darren, sorry, your psychic powers need a recharge

Grumpy

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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2008, 06:02:02 AM »

BTW. I'm not Darren, sorry, your psychic powers need a recharge


You're pennies_everywhere - the purpetual puppet of disbelief, and armchair physics - better hope that "Dee" doesn;t show up on this forum - he may want to pull his boot back out of your ass - LOL!

HEYDUDE

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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2008, 06:25:00 AM »
Nope, wrong again Grumpy, not pennies_everywhere.

Your psychic powers are off too. Maybe they're TPU powered.

Keep guessing and you'll win the prize....The Turbo coil