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Author Topic: Another YouTube Claim  (Read 34536 times)

4Tesla

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2008, 08:38:29 AM »
True they do stop and start taping and they could have hooked up the leads to a pulse as they go out of view.. but it is not looped.. check the second hand on the clock..

Jason


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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2008, 08:49:42 AM »
True they do stop and start taping and they could have hooked up the leads to a pulse as they go out of view.. but it is not looped.. check the second hand on the clock..

Jason


It is 2 videos super-imposed into 1!

Video 1: a short loop of the disks spinning clockwise and then COUNTERCLOCKWISE over and over.
(a forwards and backwards loop of a few seconds of video)

Video 2: a movie of the clock

superimpose video 1 with video 2 to get the full video.

Did you rewatch it, full screen, and click the pause button over and over?

Start @ time 1:05.... around 1:08 it changes direction and continues to over and over....

4Tesla

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2008, 08:55:55 AM »
I didn't realize that could be done.. clever kids.

Jason

capthook

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2008, 09:36:33 AM »
I didn't realize that could be done.. clever kids.

Jason

Example videosoftware that does superimposing of multiple videos:

ULEAD VideoStudio $109.00

http://www.ulead.com/vs/features_2.htm

"Tools for Creative Power

The Overlay step allows you to superimpose video or image clips over existing clips in your project by placing each in the Overlay Track.

Clips in the Overlay Track can be animated and made to look transparent over the clips in the Video Track.

Also, fading effects can be applied to superimposed clips.
 
Displays in the Library Panel the different overlay video clips that you can superimpose or insert over your existing videos.

-Combine Effects
 Overlay videos can have transparency, mask and chroma key effects
 
-Chroma Key
 Create some TV magic.  Shoot your video subject against any uniform  color and then superimpose over a shot of any background. "
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Hollywood magic for $109 !

therealrasta

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2008, 03:07:34 PM »
@Cap

Agreed.. It is not PM.. Whatever is going on there.. But the poster did not make any claims other than it was on the floor... So I did not bash him that much.. ;D

But after 30minutes of playing with it.. I knew everything I needed to know about it.

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SPOOF = Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2008, 08:31:04 PM »
I phoned Joseph a few minutes ago to ask about this motor, to get some details about its assembly components, run time, etc.

Joseph replied, "I'll have to be honest with you. I'm a video editor by trade. There are three separate videos involved:" the motor, the clock, and the meter. He combined those to come up with the visual effect seen in the video. "I think it's pretty funny," he said, and he asked to let the spoof run out a little longer before exposing it. He's entertained by the responses it is generating quite prolifically.

I've posted this info here:
See http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor

(http://peswiki.com/images/a/aa/Alan_josephs_magnetic_motor_300x300_byKevn.jpg)

capthook

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Re: SPOOF = Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2008, 08:58:47 PM »
I phoned Joseph a few minutes ago to ask about this motor, to get some details about its assembly components, run time, etc.

Joseph replied, "I'll have to be honest with you. I'm a video editor by trade. There are three separate videos involved:" the motor, the clock, and the meter. He combined those to come up with the visual effect seen in the video. "I think it's pretty funny," he said, and he asked to let the spoof run out a little longer before exposing it. He's entertained by the responses it is generating quite prolifically.

I've posted this info here:
See http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Alan_D._Joseph%27s_Magnet_Motor


Thanks for the info and the validation of my analysis of being multiple videos superimposed.  I posted a comment on his youtube site similar to my comments here.
He replied on his youtube site and replied to my youtube site that it was not a hoax.
My comments on his youtube site have since been deleted.... guess he doesn't want the 'cat out of the bag' yet!  ::)

Your comment:
"It does make a point about the validation process, and that a video alone is not adequate. That said, a video showing a walk-around, with different angles and shadows cast by the videographer, would be much more difficult to contrive in this manner."

With today's computer power/software it's become so much easier to fake a realistic video.  Even the walk around can be faked.  But - the shadows cast by the videographer during the walkaround would be DIFFICULT to do - but can still be done by someone with enough talent.  :)

Thus - the only REAL validation of a device is replication by others producing the declared results.
(but the replications could all be hoax videos as well - oh dear! )

TheOne

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2008, 09:33:56 PM »
At least i was right about a hoax :)

4Tesla

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2008, 10:00:10 PM »
I have seen motors like this before, but this one spins a lot faster.. it is real, but can it be up scaled and create enough energy to be useful?

Jason

He got me.. LOL.. I have learned my lesson.

broli

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2008, 10:31:56 PM »
Don't you people think it's a bit too convenient that he called it fake? I mean why admit it being fake? Doesn't make much sense to me. Of course the skeptics will love this. I'm open minded about everything. As long as the guy is willing to share under open source I don't care about his initial claims, even if it's a unicorn capturing device :p, as long as he open sources it it's all fine to me. If he doesn't get convinced I just tell him goodbye and move on.

capthook

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2008, 04:38:40 AM »
Here's a message I received from alan3djoseph - the creator of the video in response to my comments posted on his youtube video:
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First of all: Congratulations on figuring out how i made this video!

Anyone with some basic knowledge of fisics should know that whyle static magnets have a force, one needs to put in energy to create Work. A magnet is just like a spring. It can only store energy. Creating energy is an entirely different matter. If people are actually ignorant enough to not see this and is willing to throw his or her money into replicating this 'device'. It's their own responsibillity. It's meant as a joke. Any good joke needs some time. I'll tell everyone it's video effects before it gets out off hands.

In the mean time, you'll understand my need to remove comments like yours. Nothing personal.

I really do hope someone will find a way to prove scientist wrong and create a working overunity device. But in the mean time. Let's not take anything to serious. A bit of fun never killed anyone.
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I responded along the lines of (didn't save the message)

Your video may be responsible for people spending money and wasting time trying to replicate the device.  While you may think something like the device is impossible - and if people are stupid enough to believe it's real, too bad for them - there are many that believe it MAY be possible and are working to create one.  To waste their time and money on replications as well as contributing to skeptisim of the general public that something like this may be possible with your fraud of a video - IS LAME!

TheOne

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2008, 04:48:17 AM »
Another device in the CLaNZeR museum, I cannot wait to buy a ticket and see his museum someday :)

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2008, 10:14:35 AM »
This looks real.  If the guy hadn't admitted to a hoax we would probably still be wondering. So if its so easy to fake a video, how to tell if its real or not?  We can't believe or eyes anymore?  What to do?

CLaNZeR

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2008, 10:35:30 AM »
Another device in the CLaNZeR museum, I cannot wait to buy a ticket and see his museum someday :)

 ;D ;D


Lakes

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Re: Another YouTube Claim
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2008, 11:15:27 AM »
Very clever hoax, I`d like to see a tutorial of how the video was put together.

But easier to fake with a pulse coil/ rotating magnet off camera...