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Thaelin

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #195 on: August 11, 2008, 03:31:12 AM »
   In most cases, simulators can be used for a good indicator of how things will go.
But they are still simulators and can not account for everything involved. In some
cases they will down right fail the test. I have learned that it is just best to set it up
and run the test if you want the out come bad enough. It will cost but then what is
"your" limit in seeking the truth out.

thaelin

EMdevices

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #196 on: August 11, 2008, 03:45:16 AM »
poynt99 thanks for doing the simulation.  It's encouraging to see it give similar results.  Now that you have it up and running you can tweak it and optimize it.  I might try and simulate the same thing when I get some time.  I'm in the process of moving and won't be experimenting for a while...
EM

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #197 on: August 11, 2008, 06:00:49 AM »
EM,

yeah, i might play with it some. it seems 150 Ohms is already about the optimum load. 50 ohms gave COP about 0.8, and 400 Ohms was down to about 1.3.

i'll be curious to see your sim results.

have a smooth move dude  :D

Vortex1

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #198 on: August 11, 2008, 03:51:32 PM »
Nice work Poynt

Can you remove the tuned parasitic coil L3, C1  to see what effect this has on the simulation. Can you eliminate this and just peak up the output coil with a variable cap?

Also be interesting to try a "tuned plate, tuned grid" approach (from tubes, United States Patent 3747013) and see if there are efficiency improvements. Basically, tune C3 and C5 to apply to this transistor circuit.

I'll try this with my breadboard.

Curious......V

poynt99

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #199 on: August 12, 2008, 02:24:52 AM »
vortex,

when i get some time (real busy this week), i'll try what you suggest, and "slapper" also asked for a couple things. maybe this weekend.

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #200 on: August 16, 2008, 09:28:51 AM »
@EM

I think the trannie was 2N2222A. Anyway, an interesting feature is that this trannie will act as a resonating negistor. (not OU, but a negistor, in that it draws less current with the higher voltage applied to the circuit.) I think I cam across it at JLNLabs (Naudin) website. I remember GK has a link on every post of his.

My thinking is this.... Say Poynts model is correct. So what? For the first section of the cycle, it IS OU. What you need to do, is pulse the overall circuit, with the time ranges of the pulses to HOLD it within the OU range. Pulsing the resonator, so to speak.

My thought is that the negistor circuit will provide both necessary voltage (gain with just one tranny, and you can link them in series for higher voltage with the same DC input voltage) and timing all in one tiny circuit (3 minimum components total). If you are interested, and it is not from JLN Labs, let me know and I will find it again (at that point anywhere from B. Beatty's site, to Rex or Bearden's...... but I think it was JLN).

Also, I have come across another SIMPLE OU device... 4 diodes, 4 caps, 100 feet of wire, that looks interesting. The problem is it only puts out microwatts of power... :( But hey, maybe it can be expanded upon to increase power! I will provide a link if anyone's interested.   

Paul Andrulis

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #201 on: August 18, 2008, 10:38:44 PM »
I had an electronic experiment kit if I was 8 years old.
Built a nice amp with (dont know) there was a class A
output stage with a bc328, and an bf494 preamp - should
amplify something. I found out that if I tap the diode -
some potential current source - with my wet fingers
there was a quite fascinating random modulated tone
comming out the pieco earphone.
Did only work for an afternoon - but
want to have that again. Could have listened for hours.
Never did the same again. Maybe due to the weird
grounding in that house. far out.

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #202 on: September 11, 2008, 09:48:00 PM »
Hi EM,
any news on your circuit ?
Any new measurements ?

Many thanks.

pauldude000

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #203 on: September 22, 2008, 05:22:44 AM »
@EM

TPUbruce posted a video on youtube, and is claiming to have gotten your circuit self running. I will see if I can provide a direct link to the vid. He gave you credit for the invention. (Which I thought was right.)

Paul Andrulis

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #204 on: September 22, 2008, 05:27:15 AM »
@all

here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIkeFXqRos

Paul Andrulis

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #205 on: September 22, 2008, 09:16:29 PM »
@pauldude000

It is not selfrunning for ever. Bruce's words - "1000 uf cap, lasts for 39 minutes."

Kames.

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Re: Mysterious Resonant Circuit
« Reply #206 on: October 04, 2008, 07:29:44 PM »
thanks for the links paul,

I've moved to an area surrounded by mountains, and hopefully plentiful in naturally occurring electromagnetic fluctuations that I can tap with a well designed loop antenna and doubly balanced mixer combination to reach those low frequencies, IF THEY EXIST  :)

I'll be experimenting and playing with electronics soon enough, I haven't given up on this exciting area of research.

EM