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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2008, 02:02:22 AM »
I am very confused...

Yes, it seems  you are very confused...

Why don?t you study the topics some more and see that there is "light"...

There will be soon coming out many products...

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2008, 09:04:39 AM »
Yes, it seems  you are very confused...

Why don?t you study the topics some more and see that there is "light"...

There will be soon coming out many products...

Stefan, please  :D Can you answer those 8 guestions? I realy need answer to start build my own motor! I have all parts now and only waiting that You answer those 8 damn guestions  ;D

Please

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 09:47:15 AM »
Yes, it seems  you are very confused...

Why don?t you study the topics some more and see that there is "light"...

There will be soon coming out many products...
Of course I hope really working OU-machines will come! But in this moment we have only OU-machines, witch is working only inside heads of the crackpots.
Stefan, I understand it's your business to talk nonsenses on this forum!
I don't believe you are really so stupid...

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 09:47:15 AM »
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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 11:51:16 AM »
Have any of you read the Norm Bliss story. It is an account of Joe Newman's work with Mr Bliss on a funded project. The more I watch Newman the more this story seems to make sense:

http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm


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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 02:18:19 PM »
The Norman Biss story was discussed already long time ago.
If you search here in the forum , then you will find it.

Norman Biss did not understand the Newman technology and made
bad comments about Newman?s work style , when they were forced to work together,
cause Biss?s boss financed  Newman to build 2 new prototype motors.

Then Newman had enough with Biss and pulled out and took one motor with him.

Norman Biss never finished the second motor he promised to build
for his boss, who financed Newman at this time,
cause Biss did not understand it.

I had email contact at this time with Biss and I surely
saw from his email answers, that he did not understand the principle...


Biss was only good in critising Newman, but also later never
came forward with any finished 2nd motor that he had also promised to me
which he wanted to show later on...
So Biss broke his promises

There are many simular stories on Eric Krieg?s phact.org
site to discredit some inventors...or which are just out of context
or just hear and say stories...as Krieg is
a professional skeptic.

Surely Newman is a hard character to work with, cause he is very dominant type.
but you have to accept this or just don?t work with him...

I see it this way,
that Norman Biss was just  jealous, that he did not succeed
to get the 2nd motor done alone, when "Sledgehammer Joe" left...
 ;D

Regards, Stefan.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 04:03:12 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 02:32:40 PM »
Thanks Stefan,

I didn't think to search for the story.

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 02:38:34 PM »
Hello all!

Now I'm waiting to get all parts together to start build better version of my motor. Today I should get my 1 kg 0,2mm cooper wire bobin. Then I need to get magnets and bearings and I can start builing.

Also, when I will build this machine, I will make: "How to make Newman Motor" many parts video and upload them on YouTube. I will tell clearly how to make one, that we could get more builders and more test results.

But I have few questions for Stefan and others who know about this motor:

1. Stefan, you said that I need 200-250 Ohms of wire to be wired for coil. I have counted that IF I will wire whole 1kg 0,2mm bobin, I will get near 2kOhms! That is too much is it? But at the same time, many guys say that we should put many kilograms of tiny wire, but it will go then past of 200-250 Ohms. So what should I do? Put whole 1 kg bobin in or just amount to get 225 Ohms?


Use so much, that in the static case where the coil is just switched onto the battery, the current will
be around 50 mA.

So at 12 Volts this is 240 Ohms.

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2. Stefan, there is couple of guys here in Finland say that maybe you could explain HOW do this machine make overunity? Where it take his energy from? They are big sceptics, I try to tell them what is all about, but they want to hear You say where is overunity from.


From the galvanic cell, that is the dissimular commutator points graphite and copper and the plasmaspark between it
is the electrolyte.
Then you have this additional battery in the circuit that is providing the additional energy.


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3. Stefan, I have heard that I should use cooper and graphite for commutator to get good results, right?
               1. Where I can get good enought graphite brushes for commutator?

From DC motor brushes.
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               2. Do I need oscilloscope to tune my commutator right?
well it is better, but surely you can do it without,
if you watch the battery voltage.

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               3. What I'm looking for getting overunity? I mean, what should scope show me? How hight should be voltage spices? How hight should be negative current spices? How much milliAmps should my motor take on input?


During running, the positive input current should be only around 2 to 5 mA on average.

Then you have from time to time the negative current spikes, which are about 500 mA to 1 Amperes big but only
last very shortly in the RF range.
At least in small 5 kG range machines..

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4. Stefan, how I need to connect battery? I mean, is it inportant that negative terminal from the battery goes to START of coil winds and from commutator brushes to positive of battery terminal? How they should be connected that battery would be charging?


Probably not important, just try it.
You have tomake sure the commutator galvanic cell is wired right in series, so
that the voltages add up this way, that the battery is recharged during these negative
current spikes...

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5. Should motor turn slowly of fast to get overunity?


Depends, on if you want more back current spikes ( slow rotation)
or more mechanical output ( faster rotation and less back spike energy
to recharge the batteries)
Better first go for slower rotation and more backspikes..


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6. Is 12V 7Ah battery good enought to get it recharging by itself, by the motor? It is Lead-Acid Battery.


Yes, should be enough,
otherwise you should use a used car battery 12 Volts 30 Ah.


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7. Should I make commutator with just one ON and one OFF position, or should I make multiple ON's?

For first start, just one ON is enough.


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8. Stefan, I think you have saw in YouTube user named armakuni2000 (STARK). He are showing how was J.Newman's original commutator made. He tell that the commutator should make multiple ON's and multiple OFF's, but he mean by OFF, that it should shortout the coil. So if I will make that commutator, do "shortout the coil" that I need to make closed loop IN coil. I mean, should I connect START and END of the coild wires together. Do that mean shortout the coil?

No, this is a very old commutator design and was only made for the very first big motorwith 7500 pound.

This is not needed for the under 10 Kg devices.
There you need only a short on pulse to carry the magnet further on by one more rotation,
so only energizing the coil for about 30 degrees once per rotation.
that is all.

Best is to put 2 graphite copper points in series, so you double the
series galvanic cell voltage you create at the commutator and this also gives faster switching times...

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That is much of questions, but try to answer them all, I'm trying to do succsessful motor, which make overunity, that I could report on that to everyone, and teach other people to make this thing work right too. So please try to answer them all.

Thank you much!

Careica

Hope you will succeed.

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 03:41:26 PM »
Have any of you read the Norm Bliss story. It is an account of Joe Newman's work with Mr Bliss on a funded project. The more I watch Newman the more this story seems to make sense:

http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm

Very interesting site!
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm
I think, almost of this story is truth.
And his (Joe Newman) presentation/sales videos are so preaching and godlike...
« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 04:12:07 PM by onlov »

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 10:53:25 PM »
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/biss.htm
Hmm ...  big affray for this shrug the shoulders device. One can?t build himself, second shows off $15k ...turbidity in both stories. What is matter with you, honoured inventor and engineer?
This engine is weak and far not panacean ...its noisy toy, you can see it in every schoolbook, abc of electric motors, when explaned Lenz's Law, most primitive DIY electric motor. Back EMF used for charging battery - and so what? Take off  battery! Working??? NO!!  Or dont switch off - just try with load. Good?  It does not use much power because it does not make much work. I dont want spend time to comment JN videos included installed wonder-engine on the van ... all these causes cry aloud, disgrace ...
I like when people doing something ... and of course most of all I like when well done ... I like overunity stuff very much, but I dont like disvalued hoop-jump circus, I dont like barefaced lies, cheatings and humbuggeries.
khabe


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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2008, 07:43:52 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2341.msg31244.html#msg31244
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As the plasma that comes up, when we fire a BackEMF pulse
via a coil across a sparkgap from copper and graphite electrodes,
we have there a battery cell, that has 2 different metal electrodes
(Copper and Graphite) and have an electrolyte, which is the plasma
inside the spark of the sparkgap !

Back_emf pulse have wrong polarity to charge the battery. Plasma spark only spend electricity (voltage loss) and makes only heat. And burning the graphite (=carbon) makes only heat, not electricity. And "plasma battery cell" can have wrong polarity with battery (and with voltage loss of plasma spark) and decrease voltage...

Man who are studied at the technical university of Berlin, speak lot of nonsenses about the Newman machine and OU...   



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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2008, 12:08:27 PM »
Maybe better way to get additional (back_emf) energy from coil and put it back to battery:

http://www.munkuvat.org/kuvat/108328.jpeg
http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00380/2285504.gif

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 01:13:45 PM »
Wonder that Newman motors uses only half of possibilities - why half-bridge drive? Why only Push or Pull -  Why not Push and Pull ??? This is mystery for me - why geniuses do not use all what God is sotto voce telling. Of course, when read about he (JN) does not know much about back-iron - how he can know about using back and forth effect for rotary drive - because he uses only one-way ticket  ;) When full-bridge (H-bridge) drive then instead Push or Pull will come Push and Pull  forces -  twice more torque. And why these commutators ... why reed-switches? Why not hall sensors or opto-relays? Next step is to use Back EMF for timing - get sensorless drive ...
When outer side of (motor)windings coated with laminated back iron - then we?ll go more close to common motors. Huge number of different brands!
Instead of laminated back iron could be used rotating back iron - more less iron losses ...
like ThinCap motors, like Maxon coreless BLDC ... like Kontronik Tango (RC motor ;-)
When to use 3 similar motor windings - we?ll get common 3 phase slotless motor.
Look at Takao Shimitsu - normal guy from Japan - what he is doing -  http://www.cityfujisawa.ne.jp/~iijima-p/BRA2.htm
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=594518#post594518
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53833
Regards,
khabe

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2008, 01:51:04 PM »
khabe:
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When full-bridge (H-bridge) drive then instead Push or Pull will come Push and Pull  forces -  twice more torque. And why these commutators ... why reed-switches? Why not hall sensors or opto-relays? Next step is to use Back EMF for timing - get sensorless drive ...

These schematics are maked for beginners (for Careica) who understand nothing about H-bridge and electronics! Of course, H-bridge, hall or opto sensors are much better and modern solution...

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When outer side of (motor)windings coated with laminated back iron - then we?ll go more close to common motors. Huge number of different brands!
Instead of laminated back iron could be used rotating back iron - more less iron losses ...

Newman motor is really old and ineffective solution. With iron as you tell it will become much more better...


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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2008, 02:03:22 PM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2341.msg31244.html#msg31244
Back_emf pulse have wrong polarity to charge the battery. Plasma spark only spend electricity (voltage loss) and makes only heat. And burning the graphite (=carbon) makes only heat, not electricity. And "plasma battery cell" can have wrong polarity with battery (and with voltage loss of plasma spark) and decrease voltage...

Man who are studied at the technical university of Berlin, speak lot of nonsenses about the Newman machine and OU...   




Onlov,
the difference between me and you is, that you only rely on the theory you have learned,
but I did indeed test it with hardware.

Normally I would say you are right,
but the test with the hardware says the other way around.
The sparking gets additional energy into the circuit and recharges your batteries,
if you setup the sparking commutator right.

Have a look at these scope shots I got from my setup,
where you can see the huge negative current spikes, that recharge the batteries:


(http://overunity.com/newman/arcing2.JPG)

(http://overunity.com/newman/charge_c2.jpg)

(http://overunity.com/newman/spike01.jpg)

(http://overunity.com/newman/spike1.JPG)

(http://overunity.com/newman/spike2.JPG)

(http://overunity.com/newman/spike3.JPG)

(http://overunity.com/newman/voltrise.jpg)

All these negative spikes are real back current spikes
charging up the battery.

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Re: New Newman Motor Replication
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2008, 02:15:52 PM »
Stefan, I have seen these pictures before that thread. But I will see your metering circuit.
You are telling, back current spikes disappears if your scope is grounded. It's very strange effect.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2008, 02:54:56 PM by onlov »

 

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