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Author Topic: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE  (Read 107488 times)

Offline dirt diggler

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2008, 06:32:27 PM »
Dirt most of the ideas on this apply to HHO check valves bubblers  not sure about cross over to fuel on another note I wonder what a plasma plug would do here as they   JUST THOUGHT OF A CONCERN PHANTOM SPARK IN YOUR MOWER   Chet PS small one cyl recips spark every cycle [360] BAD backfire risk

Starcruiser:

Thanks for the input!!  You have some great ideas, we will look into possibly using some of them.   ;D ;D

Chet,

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Good thinking Chet, I had NOT considered this.  Clearly we need to think about safety more.

ciao,   Dirt

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2008, 06:55:04 PM »
Glad I could be of some assistance

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2008, 07:42:08 PM »
DIRT   Panacea university    MIT copies geet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3kueRyzvlY Chet

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2008, 10:40:50 PM »
Does this hot air/fuel vapor test car help at all?


http://www.race-cardrivers.com/Shell%20Opel.htm

http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm

Btw,

The air intake to the carb appears to air draw from the crankcase.
Ie the crankcase could also be under vacuum under light loads.
not sure though, but that?s what it looks like to me.
At least it IS drawing air through/from the crankcase.

The crank case must have special seals I would imagine. (if vacuum/ restricted intake to crankcase)
I don?t know what vacuum in the crankcase would do to a normal motor.
it might wreck it?

might just be drawing through, hard to say.


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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2008, 11:03:39 PM »
@Dirt
Backflashes are a no-brainer, you put a check valve or flapper valve on the outlet of your coffee can carburator.Ahead of this you put a loose wad of stainless steel wool(dish scrubber pads) which will cool the backflash enough to stop it.The flapper valve is extra insurance to ensure the backflash never reaches you coffee can.

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2008, 11:07:59 PM »
the vacuum from the crank is normally drawn thru a PVC valve. This is normal in most engines, they use to valve to stop oil from being sucked into the vacuum system. Please note that this is not the only air source on engines, just one of many. This source is used to suck the fumes from the crank case and mix them with the incoming fuel, part of the recycling of vapors.

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« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2008, 11:13:06 PM »
the vacuum from the crank is normally drawn thru a PVC valve. This is normal in most engines, they use to valve to stop oil from being sucked into the vacuum system. Please note that this is not the only air source on engines, just one of many. This source is used to suck the fumes from the crank case and mix them with the incoming fuel, part of the recycling of vapors.

Yes but the PCV valve has a minuscule draw from the crankcase.
The opel has the carb (throttle valve) directly into it.

Ps,

It looks like the air ?intake? to the crankcase is on the passenger side/rear of car of the motor,
Routed into the back or engine bay side of the radiator?
Looks like maybe its not a vacuum crankcase, just very hot air draw?

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2008, 12:06:42 AM »
Say, there's an idea!

Heat the air and let that warm the fuel or be responsible for the fumage. then you don't have to worry about preheated gas generating a lot of vapor when the engine is not on.

Good call argona. ;)

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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2008, 03:10:57 AM »
Say, there's an idea!

Heat the air and let that warm the fuel or be responsible for the fumage. then you don't have to worry about preheated gas generating a lot of vapor when the engine is not on.

Good call argona. ;)

Thanks ExxComm,

There?s something strange in that engine, (apart from the obvious lol).
Where?s the fuel vapor inlet?
Hot air is going through the crankcase but,,
That would have to mix with Another fuel vapor hose.

I have this feeling that that brownish red hose (fuel line type hose?)
Is the fuel vapor hose.
Although it does not go to the cylinder head I bet that the cylinder head
has it?s water passages to the block (head gasket passages) welded shut and the fuel is fed
into the cylinder head water passage space for vaporization.

Or something like that ie. Fuel is vaporized somewhere in the block. (or maybe the exhaust?)
Somethings hidden in plain sight in those photo?s

The Opel Shell 376 mpg engine is a very interesting engine to say the least.

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2008, 03:46:00 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

This is making me think of the Pogue (sp?) carburetor which vaporized fuel.  It was from back in the 70's.  It utilized a system that heated the gasoline to enhance the vapor production, and only fed the vapors to the engine.  Hot gas is hazardous, so lets try another way.  Ultrasonic transducers placed down in the plenum of the manifold, pointed up towards the carburetor would be effective at vaporizing the fuel in the air mixture as it is exiting the carburetor...

Good luck with your project...

Blessed Be Brothers...


Mabe a cheap way to play with this concept would be to take apart one or two of these ultrasonic water foggers ... ?

http://crafters2000.stores.yahoo.net/ulfog.html


good luck

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2008, 03:48:40 AM »
Holy crap, I have never heard of this!

It looks to me like that redish hose is coming from the water pump, perhaps heating the air/fuel mixture?
It seems that is alot of research that has been done, and hidden over the last 60 years.


@ Allcanadian

Thanks for the info, we were thinking about a check valve/flapper, but never considered the steel wool, great idea ;D

This is all good stuff people, keep the ideas coming!  It truely blows my mind that this has been available to us, and hasen't been developed.

ciao,  Dirt

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2008, 04:06:39 AM »
Holy crap, I have never heard of this!

It looks to me like that redish hose is coming from the water pump, perhaps heating the air/fuel mixture?
It seems that is alot of research that has been done, and hidden over the last 60 years.


@ Allcanadian

Thanks for the info, we were thinking about a check valve/flapper, but never considered the steel wool, great idea ;D

This is all good stuff people, keep the ideas coming!  It truely blows my mind that this has been available to us, and hasen't been developed.

ciao,  Dirt


Ya, it looks like the water pump (heater hose connection), but that would mean the ?coolant? is gasoline.
But, that doesn?t work either as where it?s located that would be liquid fuel.
If it?s fuel vapor I still bet it?s the water passages in the cylinder head (isolated somehow) and that?s a ?lower point? of the head coolant system (maybe).

Cliff,

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2008, 04:35:51 AM »

Ya, it looks like the water pump (heater hose connection), but that would mean the ?coolant? is gasoline.
But, that doesn?t work either as where it?s located that would be liquid fuel.
If it?s fuel vapor I still bet it?s the water passages in the cylinder head (isolated somehow) and that?s a ?lower point? of the head coolant system (maybe).

Cliff,


Hi Cliff,

Hmmmmmmm, I'm not sure they would use gas for coolant, however, i have heard that there is increadible mileage with burning coolant, perhaps it is just drawing a small amount of coolant into the air box, kinda siphoning it into the intake?

very interesting, I'm gonna study the pics for a bit, to try and figure it out.

ciao,  Dirt

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« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2008, 04:41:46 AM »
I suggest running a full can of fuel. Gas consists of many different molecules, that's how it's refinned the lighter mols rise to the top and the heavyer ones sink. In this case the lighter mols would evapourate first, and they would induce a faster flame speed in the chamber which works like HHO injection. If you heat it up it will work great probably. Otherwise the reason would be more complexe, getting into the physic's of evaporation. (which I suspect takes momentum from atomic vibrations, what cools the earth, or cool you when you swet?)..

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Re: FUEL VAPORIZATION, DOUBLES MILEAGE
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2008, 04:47:44 AM »
Hi Cliff,

Hmmmmmmm, I'm not sure they would use gas for coolant, however, i have heard that there is increadible mileage with burning coolant, perhaps it is just drawing a small amount of coolant into the air box, kinda siphoning it into the intake?

very interesting, I'm gonna study the pics for a bit, to try and figure it out.

ciao,  Dirt

Well, guessing here,
I think the block itself has water coolant that runs through the radiator.
(to keep hot spots even?)
Radiator heats air that?s drawn into the crankcase to the throttle body (vacuum?) ,choke mixture lever shows up in the photo, (probably used as a air-fuel vapor mixture control). (throttle itself not seen)
Fuel vaporized in the head or,, visa versa, water in head, fuel vaporized in water passages in block.
looks trick,

Cliff,



 

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