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Offline Alexioco

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Pereptual Motion Wheel
« on: July 21, 2008, 08:30:28 PM »
Ok I think I finally have it, here is how to make a wheel work...

If you get an equal amount of heavy weights and an equal amount of light weights here is what we can do.

If you get the heavy weights and attach them into a wheel in such a way that they are all applying presure to eachother so that it just takes a little force to lift the top and bottom weights, the weights would need to be inter connected some way.

Now we add the light weights that make hardly any difference to the wheel but are capable of lifting the heavy weights up due to their interconnection. Then we have perpetual motion, what do you think?

P.S I'm going to try and make an exmaple, this is something I want us all to have ago at...

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Pereptual Motion Wheel
« on: July 21, 2008, 08:30:28 PM »

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 09:10:28 PM »
Ok here is just an example...

Here we have weighted levers with right angle levers.

The bottom right hand weight will push down on the right angle causing the top weight to fall out pushing on that right angle which will then cause the top left hand weight to become light, maybe even lift, if it lifts then the bottom lefthand weight will also try to lift out, if it lifts out (which I doubt) it will then cause the bottom right hand weight to push out even strong, get the point?

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2n72nhe.jpg)

Now this idea could be put into a much more effective lever movement then little weights could be added to help lift the large weights which will then cause the said movement  ;)

This wheel is nearly alive and it is completely self operating unlike weights that just fall...

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 09:48:17 PM »
Alexioco

This is one of you best ones yet Alex.  It might even be better with only three arms, or 5, so that it disrupts the balance easier.

This design kinda goes more the way I think about Besseler, very simple,  but shows promise.

Keep at it.

ciao,  Dirt

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Offline broli

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 10:06:31 PM »
I think this wheel has more than meets the eye. My mind couldn't simulate it so I just gave wm2d a spin and it has a very unusual behavior. I'll test some more and then show the results.

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 10:11:27 PM »
Wow.. Nice design.. What kind of friction/force loses are you going to get from the levers pushing the weights around... Hopefully less than you gain from the gravity action?  Not sure.. Looks possible..Would like to see more.. Thanks

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Offline AB Hammer

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 10:16:36 PM »
Alex

 I do find this one interesting. Not as it is drawn but what I think it could be. Translated is I see something I like.

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 11:25:29 PM »
Its a way of moving the weights lightly with a little weight as they are all trying to lift themselves, I like the idea of 3 weights. You see IMO the perpetual wheel has to control itself in every way so that it?s possible it can fall apart if not adjusted correctly, know what I mean? The wheel has to take are of its self, it has to hold itself together, move itself, control itself, it has to be aliveeeeee :)

There will be more ways than this, but this shows how to make a heavy weight light in order for a light weight to lift them upwards... It has no beggining and no end unlike wheels that have rolling balls and falling levers...

IMO this is what bessler is getting at in MT 9, weights have to pull eachother in order to become light so that the little weights can move the large weights without effecting the operation of the wheel, the "said" movement...

P.S This is one i'm going to build, I can't wait to learn from it, also would like to see the Wm2d animation of it :)

I would  very much like to see what Alan has as I might be able to do something with it and crack this wheel, it does not matter "who" finds it, the joy of seeing it is what should make us tic....


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Offline DrWhat

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 12:23:58 AM »
Alex, you are very clever. I agree, this is the sort of broad interconnection idea we need to be looking at. A system that creates a spiral of force in a sense.

You have just started to make a lot of people think.

Well done!

Damian

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 12:38:30 AM »
Thank you for the compliment...

I think that there will be better ways than this though; I first need to find out how this thing reacts before I go any further.

Its easy to make a weight in a wheel to move the distance of a quarter circle, but to make one move a half circle is something else, if I or anyone here can use the above idea to make weights swing from the axle to the rim will get us a lot closer. I am going to look later about how to go about it... There are people here who are more mathematically better than me (my math?s is terrible) so may find a way to do it, don?t forget though, once the half movement is found, then the little weights can be added to the equation.

P.S I made another topic called "toy page connection?" you may find that quite interesting...

Edit: also if/when we find a gravity powered wheel, we then can work on simplifying it until its so simple people will be in disbelief, lol

If anyone has any good ideas for this, please let me know :)

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Offline yoyo

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 07:18:38 AM »
yes your wheels are vary complicated but i liked the videos of your past stuff keep them coming

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 12:49:28 PM »
yes your wheels are vary complicated but i liked the videos of your past stuff keep them coming

Thanks my friend :)

I have now tried the mechanism with 3 weights, but I think 4 weights is strong because its two trying to lift two, where with 3 its 1 trying to lift 2, having said that, 2 does lift one at certain times and it could be improved to make 2 always lifting one, but for now, here we go...

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2unvmn7.jpg)

the bottom weight pushes down on the right angle which causes the top weight to push out which causes the left hand weight to push out which cause the bottom weight to push down etc etc...

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Offline Alexioco

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 04:29:52 PM »
Ok I have just found my great one ever...

It would look just like MT 137 if I placed it around the axle...

Its two weights that are trying to lift eachother up to an over balanced point which will keep repeating...
The weights are inter connected and its power is in itself...

I dont want to reveal this here because other people have found good things (not hinting) that wont release theirs, and if I show this it will help them to much and feed their ego's...

Anyway, anyone who is interested in working with me in this, then reply to me at
grandtheftauto_iv@yahoo.co.uk

thanks  8)

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 09:44:54 PM »
Your good ideas just keep coming! :)

Well, I had a go with WM2D but it just sees my effort as a perfectly balanced wheel (file attached)...


Offline Alexioco

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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 11:15:15 PM »
Your good ideas just keep coming! :)

Well, I had a go with WM2D but it just sees my effort as a perfectly balanced wheel (file attached)...



Thanks sprocket, I'm going to reveal my other mechanism which lookes like MT 137

(http://i34.tinypic.com/1e1imq.jpg)

This is the wheel.

How it works:

There are two levers
(http://i35.tinypic.com/14sedck.jpg)
Notice that the lever on the right will swing to the right and down, the lever on the left will just hang there.

Now we add the connection between the two levers
(http://i34.tinypic.com/1e1imq.jpg)

Notice that now when the lever on the right goes to swing to the right and down, the oposite end of the lever will push up trying to push the top weight up. As it tries to push the top lever up, the oposite end of the top lever will try to push the bottom weight down in which creates an inward force...

Also, when I was messing around with this stuff today I was starting to realise the amount of ways you can make weights lift themselfs using other etc...

Now that I have showed you this, I would very much like to work with somone based on these things to try and make a way to lift a heavy weight lightly to and from the axle of a wheel without effecting the wheels operation, there a re lot's of things I can go through with you that I have learnt...



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Re: Pereptual Motion Wheel
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2008, 08:00:19 PM »
Alexioco amazing ideas !! Chet

 

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