Hi Everyone,
I've got a good one for you. I was looking into developing the internal fuel cell for this hydrogen reactor system and wanted to base it off the fuel cell I saw on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQg0Ur9Cko&NR=1

Looks great, right?

The only problem: I cannot purchase the dihydrogen hexachloroplatinate hydrate that is used in the video to electroplate a piece of metal screen.  Why? It is classified as a hazardous material and can only be purchased by companies or corporations.

So I had a brilliant idea, ask my supervisor to use my company to send it to and I would pay for it. His response, (and he is a nice guy and a great supervisor so there was no malice involved here) NO! Due to it being classified as a hazardous material the company would be legally liable for any injury I may sustain in its use.

So there you have it. Another roadblock in the development of this technology.

The only other options I can think of are to purchase platinum wire directly, or purchase the platinum catalyst from fuelcellstore.com that is in premade form. I am not sure what they look like because no picture is shown.

This kind of puts a damper on how to design the larger reactor, or even how to proceed at this point.

Frustrated. Need to think what to do next.

On a positive note, the reactor passed 140 hours running this morning around 4:30AM US central time. Looks good. Voltages are steady. Cruisin' along.

Thanks for your interest.

Hi ResinRat2,
Yep, liability can be a problem and fully understandable.
May I suggest another approach to platinum interface:
Contact the following<
either
Platinum fine/extrafine wire mesh manufacturers, (mesh, gauze, expanded metal mesh or sieve product companies) eg http://www.uniquewire.com/metals/plat.cfm
or
Platinum Metalized poly( ester, propylene, ethylene etc) also static shield  manufacturers.
Metalizing/sputtering thin film companies usually usue Al but they can apply just about any metal. Try CPFilms, 3M, or Technimet if memory serves correctly, there are many others.

Ask for small samples to use for testing. Using your company's name/clout usually gets results and samples are shipped almost 100% of the time.
The first maybe more expensive if they require token payments. The metalized thin films might be easier to get depending on coating thickness in angstroms eyc. If you are willing to pay you may even get better quantities and results.
There are many companies out there.
These are non toxic and can be shipped in a standard envelope.

I hope this helps

Hi Stefan,

I'll try anything to get a less expensive alternative.

How could this be done, or how could this be tested for proof-of-concept? Anybody have any idea? I have a hydrogen generator running right now so I have plenty of hydrogen to play with.

I can purchase silver wire for use in soldering. It is almost pure silver. So how could this be set up to prove that it could work? Anybody have an idea for an experiment? How do I combine silver and carbon to test this?

I appreciate the input Stefan.

I just had a Crazy-Tuesday idea. (In the lab we call that a crazy idea we have on a Tuesday. As in Crazy _____day idea. just fill in the blank with the day of the week. Actually it is really called a Crazy-A$$ Tuesday idea but we don't want to go there.)

Why don't I take two lead-pencils, sharpen both ends on each pencil, then partially immerse one pencil in each chamber of the reactor (one pencil in the hydrogen side and one pencil in the oxygen side) then see if I get a current off the graphite in the pencils? It's worth a try. What have I got to lose? I can maybe get the pencils through the gas ports, just to see if I get a current. What a concept.

Any thoughts anyone.?

Maybe worth a try?

I just had a Crazy-Tuesday idea. (In the lab we call that a crazy idea we have on a Tuesday. As in Crazy _____day idea. just fill in the blank with the day of the week. Actually it is really called a Crazy-A$$ Tuesday idea but we don't want to go there.)

Why don't I take two lead-pencils, sharpen both ends on each pencil, then partially immerse one pencil in each chamber of the reactor (one pencil in the hydrogen side and one pencil in the oxygen side) then see if I get a current off the graphite in the pencils? It's worth a try. What have I got to lose? I can maybe get the pencils through the gas ports, just to see if I get a current. What a concept.

Any thoughts anyone.?

Maybe worth a try?

Hi Dave,

I would certainly enourage you to try along those lines. The first thing that came up in my mind when reading that was ther Stanley Meyer electron extraction circuit. According to him, when the watermolecules break down, they give up two electrons. These are the electrons that can be taken out of the cell for usage. If you DON'T use them they are being used to recombine atoms back into H2O. In his tests he could take current out of the cell and even improve gas productions (because atoms don't get the chance to recombine as the electrons to do that are being extracted). So apart from the current you could get improved gasflow aswell.....

I'm still working on my meyer style cell and haven't confirmed this yet myself. But it is all explained in the Meyer patents (method for gas production patent) and  the electron extraction principle has recently been confirmed by Dave Lawton (see the latest D14.pdf file).

So, definately worth trying!!!

keep us posted!

Regards Robert

RR

As a follow up:

You wouldn't need carbon for meyer style electron extraction....just copper will do.  Might be very easy to test......

Robert

Hi RR,

Yeah you are right, probably all the liberated oxygen atoms will turn the copper green.....maybe stainless steel electrodes....

Robert

Hi ResinRat,
try it this way:

Use 2  x 99.98 % pure silver rods,
which you normaly buy for silver colloid generators
and apply in a 80degrees Celsius hot destilled water bath
an electrolysis with at least 27 Volts ( 3 x 9 Volts batteries in series)
or use a silver colloid pulse generator.

Let it run at least 30 minutes, better maybe 45 to 60 minutes
so you will have lots of fresh silver atoms inside the destilled water solution.

Then put in  many small high surface graphite beads into it and the silver atoms
will glue to the graphite beads and go into the surface of it.

Then take the beads out after a few hours and let them dry and then
make 2 containers each having a graphite bigger rod in the center and
pour in the graphite beads around them, so they have electrical contact with the
main graphite rod.
Then fill the containers with saltwater or NaOH solution
and put a hose with H2 gas in one container and in the
other O2 gas beneath the beads, so the gas can come out and
go through the beads in the saltwater to the surface slowly.

When I am right the silver atoms in the beads will work as
a catalyst cracking the gasses and produce H30+ and OH-   ions
which will charge up the graphite rods and a current could be drawn
from them.

Regards,Stefan.
P.S: I am not yet sure, what the best water -salt solution is,
but as NaOH is used in platinum coated fuel cells, I would maybe
try this first instead of just table salt...

Hi Stefan,

I'll try anything to get a less expensive alternative.

How could this be done, or how could this be tested for proof-of-concept? Anybody have any idea? I have a hydrogen generator running right now so I have plenty of hydrogen to play with.

I can purchase silver wire for use in soldering. It is almost pure silver. So how could this be set up to prove that it could work? Anybody have an idea for an experiment? How do I combine silver and carbon to test this?

I appreciate the input Stefan.