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Author Topic: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !  (Read 428094 times)

TheNOP

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #690 on: October 13, 2007, 04:15:46 PM »
Did you made sure that the replating is done fully ?

My guess is what you might think is OU is in faq a lost to the replating process.
Soonner or later you might have to "recharge" the cell to replate properly.

Weight the zinc electrode, run the cell for a few days, then re-weight.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #691 on: October 13, 2007, 10:40:23 PM »
G'day Dave,

This is just a quick idea regarding your problem.

It would appear to me that if you can equalise the pressure between the two gas chambers your problem would disappear.

Why not separate the two sections with a flexible membrane like in the diagram below?

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #692 on: October 13, 2007, 11:22:22 PM »
Hi Hans,
Thanks for the suggestion but I think I have found a simple solution. I just took the hose on the oxygen side and secured it so it is straight up in the air. If the hydrogen pressure gets a bit high the liquid can just climb the tube until the pressure is equalized. The liquid can also be drawn down if it gets to low. The oxygen can now also escape easily. Looks like it has been working great for the last three hours, the longest I have had it running at a stretch without my intervention. Looks stable, the liquid levels are staying even, I think the problem is solved.

Hi TheNOP,
The zinc is regenerating, I can see it and the oxygen bubbles slowly coming off the electrode. Voltage=0.812 , Amperage=3.93mA. The fan is running at full blast: off the small fuel cell. Voltage=0.744Volts, Amperage=47mA

That's the overunity amount. The fan is running very fast. I think I can put more load on it. I have been experimenting to see whether to use the small or large fuel cell for regeneration. They both give the same readings for draw at regeneration.

I am going to let this run and run, swithcing the zinc electrode connections once a day. This is now a working unit and looks stable.

THIS IS IT BOYS!  This is the working prototype for long term testing. It begins today and continues until something happens that shouldn't happen.

Fingers crossed, but I am only looking for the truth. Is this overunity? Will it run on just water? We shall see.

Posting videos soon.

P.S.  All I need now is a circuit that will charge a 6 or 12 volt battery off the fuel cell. Preferably the large one. Anybody, HELP! lol.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #693 on: October 13, 2007, 11:59:51 PM »
G'day again Dave,

Congratulations on your achievement, you have worked long and hard on this and with a great deal of ingenuity. I am happy for you. All the best with your long term tests.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #694 on: October 14, 2007, 12:29:15 AM »
Way to go RR!  Knew you could get there.  Crowd on the sideline is still rootin for ya'....
Good Luck with the testing.

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« Reply #695 on: October 14, 2007, 03:19:47 AM »
OK Everyone,

I had to clean up my work area before I took these videos so everyone doesn't know I'm a SLOB! lol.

Attached are a couple of views of the reactor. You can see the four electrodes 2 zinc on one side and two different sized tungsten/carbide electrodes on the other. You can see the two fuel cells. The plastic one is the 0.9 volt one and the metal one is the 3 watt job. The small one is running the fan and the larger one is regenerating one of the zinc electrodes at the same time the other zinc electrode is being used to produce hydrogen. You can also see the oxygen vent tube I placed straight up and secured it so in case of overflow it will go into a jar. This allows the two sides of the reactor to equalize their liquid levels and vent oxygen at the same time.

The fan is running at what must be max speed, that's why I used the small fuel cell to run it. I don't know its power rating (fan) and I don't want to burn anything out. I will add more load in the future and perhaps use the large one to run things.

So we have a working unit. Generating hydrogen and oxygen at the same time and also regenerating the zinc. All with no power input and a good power output (relatively speaking).

I will now be doing long-term testing so unless something drastic happens you won't hear much for a while.

Thanks for your interest.

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« Reply #696 on: October 14, 2007, 03:40:18 AM »
Another short video.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #697 on: October 14, 2007, 03:47:21 AM »
Hi ResinRat !
Very well done !

Please keep at it and let us know
the outcome of a longer test.
How much did you pay for the 2 fuel cells
and where did you buy them ?

What is their power rating ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #698 on: October 14, 2007, 03:53:56 AM »
Sorry the videos are so short. For some reason I am having a very difficult time posting longer ones on this site.

My computer was down for two weeks because it was attacked and destroyed by spyware, so I don't have all my software loaded, and windows movie maker is still missing. I can't edit the views and lengths of videos.

So I am posting the best I can. I know, I know, I need to buy a better video camera. Sorry about that right now.

ResinRat2

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #699 on: October 14, 2007, 01:50:31 PM »
How much did you pay for the 2 fuel cells
and where did you buy them ?
What is their power rating ?

Plexiglas fuel cell: http://www.fuelcellstore.com/cgi-bin/tornado/view=Item/cat=61/product=40

Metal fuel cell: http://www.fuelcellstore.com/cgi-bin/tornado/view=Item/cat=24/product=43

They are not cheap, and there is the disadvantage of this system. I will now be working on designing a platinum coated mesh that will be installed directly within the cell itself. The hypothesis I have is to use the hydrogen on one side of the reactor, and the oxygen on the other separated by a permeable barrier (filter mesh or filter paper) that will use the hydrogen and the OH- ions in the electrolyte solution to produce a current. So the entire unit will be sealed and no gas or water vapor would escape. It would just be a box running cold and sucking the heat from the air around it. Producing electricity from the temperature differential.

This was Dingus Mungus' dream idea. A sealed box that produces electricity.

Thanks everyone for your interest.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2007, 06:34:10 PM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #700 on: October 14, 2007, 06:24:59 PM »
Hi Resinrat2

Outstanding work!

i have been thinking about your pressure problem and may have a solution for you.

connect hydrogen output as usual but with a tee piece

connect oxgen with a tee and block off unused end

place a length of pipe to each tee and submerge each pipe THE SAME DEPTH in a jar of water

the higher pressure oxygen or hydrogen will try to displace the electrolyte which will be hard to do, so it will bubble out of the jar of water

the static pressure of the outlet will depend on the depth of water, as long as it is easier to bubble out of the water than diplace the electrolyte then your'e home free.


really hope this helps

dorro.

you could even have a separate jar for each gas and collect any

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« Reply #701 on: October 14, 2007, 08:03:18 PM »
Hi Dorro,

Yes, I had thought about the idea of separate reaction containers too, but I really wanted the zinc re-plating to go on as quickly as possible, hopefully before the zinc ion became a zincate, and that meant I needed the zinc rods as close as possible in the same chamber. I appreciate the suggestion on the pressure balancing idea, but I appear to have found the solution now. The liquid levels are exactly equal and steady and the pressure flow seems constant based off the operation of the fan. Nice, steady, and constant.

It is running very nicely and I will be taking readings every few hours or so of voltages across both the fan connections and the regeneration connections. I won't bother with amps because I don't want to stop the reaction and my amp meter has an auto-shutoff feature. It would shut down and the reaction would stop. This is a no no with me.

Also, the reactor surface is very cold, the metal of the electrodes sticking outside the reactor are also very cold. This is my energy draw from the atmosphere. The overunity energy. Very nice to see. It would be nice to get temperature differential readings, but I just don't have that type of equipment at home.

Thanks for your ideas and interest.


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« Reply #702 on: October 15, 2007, 12:12:04 AM »
I bet Dr. Griffin will have a smile on his face after reading what you've accomplished!  Good job!

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« Reply #703 on: October 15, 2007, 04:18:21 AM »
I bet Dr. Griffin will have a smile on his face after reading what you've accomplished!  Good job!

Thanks Brian,
I hope he doesn't find too much fault with my work. I appreciate your compliment.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #704 on: October 15, 2007, 08:23:40 PM »
Hi resinrat2

great stuff!!!

will watch this space.................


regards

dorro