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dlwammo

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #585 on: August 15, 2007, 03:29:07 AM »
@ResinRat2
Here's a rather simple diagram with animations...  there's a few other links
on various types.  Hope this helps.  Keep up the great work!

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell2.htm

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #586 on: August 15, 2007, 06:19:21 AM »
@ResinRat2
Here's a rather simple diagram with animations...  there's a few other links
on various types.  Hope this helps.  Keep up the great work!

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell2.htm

Great link!

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fcv_PEM.shtml
Anode on the WC side, and cathode on Zn side.
Both above the water line of course...

~Dingus Mungus

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #587 on: August 15, 2007, 12:33:49 PM »
Hi all,

Been searching round for cheap source of stainless steel. Excellent site on ebay(link below) selling all kinds of metals in the UK. Worth a look...

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/MetalsDirectUK_Stainless-sheet_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ4678907QQftidZ2QQtZkm

Regards
NssB

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #588 on: August 17, 2007, 04:55:27 AM »
I found this in my CRC "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" (63rd Edition 1982-1983) (Now everyone knows how old I am lol) under "The Elements" section describing Platinum:

 :o"Hydrogen and Oxygen explode in the presence of platinum." :o

Hmmmm, Biggs gave a warning that is good to keep in focus.

I didn't want to do fuel cell research anyway. lol.

Well I'm just giving a heads up, sitting back on the sidelines trying to be of some use ..I didn't want you to hurt yourself.. pure oxygen (even small amounts) will react with hydrogen and platinum so proceed with caution..
:)

ResinRat2

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #589 on: August 17, 2007, 06:24:05 PM »
Hi All,

Its been frustrating the last couple of weeks trying to get my reactor to stop leaking around the large tungsten/carbide electrode. I have tried eight times of cleaning out the reactor and resealing around the electrode with cyanoacrylic and the curing agent (kicker). Each time I was able to get a good seal when plain water or the electrolyte solution was left standing overnight in the reactor; but each time after the hydrogen reaction began a leak always developed around the electrode. It always took a couple of hours, but each time the leak redeveloped, forming next to the electrode and finally breaking through the outer acrylic that sealed around it.

After all this time I believe I finally understand why this is happening. I believe it has to do with the temperature that this reaction occurs at. When I do the sealing around the electrode it is being performed at room termperature (around 20 degrees Celsius or 68 degrees Fahrenheit) and I always get a good seal as long as the reactor and solution temperature is around room temp. Once the reaction begins the solution and reactor temperature begin to drop. The metal electrode probably shrinks from the temperature drop faster than the acrylic and pulls away from the acrylic around it, thus opening a void that causes an electrolyte solution leak.

This is probably the cause, and I cannot think of a way to solve it with the present setup. There probably needs to be some type of "O" ring that goes around the electrode and is sealed with acrylic. Probably like a void in the acrylic that the ring fits into. This would expand and contract with the electrode and keep the seal integrity. I need to think about how to do this, or chuck the present design and try something else.

Some of the reactors made out of tupperware might be a possibility. I think Yikes has been doing some.

Sorry, just wanted to keep everyone updated. I have been working on this every day, and I still keep getting leaks. I need a way to solve this.

Thanks for your interest.

dlwammo

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #590 on: August 17, 2007, 07:20:09 PM »
@ResinRat2
What I've done in the past to seal thermocouple leads into a small acrylic container of water was to use a piece of rubber or flexible tubing that is a tight fit for the thermocouple (or in your case the electrode) and then using adhesive to seal the tubing in place once it's been fed through a hole in the acrylic case.  This should allow the electrode to grow and shrink while maintaining a tight seal. 

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Another way is to use two (2) o-rings.  On each side of the acrylic.  Use something like marine Goop to seal o-rings to the cover. Don't use it to seal the electrode.  The o-ring will take care of this.  I use this double o-ring as well when I can't find the right size tubing to work.

Hope this helps....

Dan

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #591 on: August 17, 2007, 07:36:26 PM »
Perhaps you could try using a 'compression' type cable gland. If you look at www.rswww.com and do a search for GLAND I'm sure you will find something very suitable. Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #592 on: August 18, 2007, 02:03:42 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions Dan and RW. These look good!

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #593 on: August 18, 2007, 05:49:58 PM »
Cheap fuel cell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQg0Ur9Cko&NR=1

Thoughts anyone? This could be a possibility. Safer than plain platinum.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #594 on: August 19, 2007, 02:18:55 AM »
Thanks for your responses to my posting about your 5-metal cell on YouTube. I'm thrilled that you are doing this work, and sharing it so well. I know, it's Linnard's patent, but you are doing a lot to make it accessible to the public, to make it undeniable.
I'm working on a high-output elctrolyser unit a la Joe Cell or Meyer cell.
This open-source collaboration is terrific, a new paradigm for a restorative, cooperative, (post)industrial society

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #595 on: August 19, 2007, 03:21:39 AM »
Hi Bluebatch,

My motivation is simple. I hate the way the public is being raked of so much of its wealth by the oil barons. Enough is enough. They drain away our savings by a substance that ultimately poisons the planet. This is absolutely raw, EVIL greed. My son should not live in a world with these leeches sucking the life out of everybody. I want everyone to start experimenting with this stuff and build their own power units. I want this to spread everywhere so it can't be buried and lost.

Take common ingredients, mix them in the right ratios, and presto! Hydrogen!

So now we see where I'm coming from.

Thanks for your interest

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #596 on: August 19, 2007, 04:44:00 AM »
Well said, ResinRat2;

 Yer waxing more and more eloquent as yer work progresses.   

Welcome bluebatch.  This is a great place to learn and share.   Please continue in that spirit.

With hydrogen is such plenteous supply (water, etc.), it only seems resonable that the right recipe with yield adequte H2.

It jes takes time and persistence.

Turtle

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #597 on: August 22, 2007, 02:58:32 PM »
Hey ResinRat2 and assistant scientists,
     I've been following alternative fuel websites like keelynet and such for some time.  Your project is among some of the most interesting, challenging and educational; so much so,  I had to read and in some cases re-read every post ( some of the equations "phew"!! ).  Even if it were to turn out that the idea was a bust (I don't believe that it is), it's been a real pleasure just to follow the evolution of the experiments.  You'd be hard pressed to go see a movie with this kind of entertainment value...you certainly have my attention and that of other curious observers.   If I can offer any assistance I will, but it seems like the project is being run with capable hands and minds.  Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #598 on: August 22, 2007, 06:54:11 PM »
...it's been a real pleasure just to follow the evolution of the experiments.  You'd be hard pressed to go see a movie with this kind of entertainment value...you certainly have my attention and that of other curious observers. 

Wow, no guns, car chases, explosions (so far), or women (well I did mention my wife). LOL!  :D Still a great read for those who can appreciate what fellow Researchers go through every day. Thanks for the kind words Stressed101. Every contributer to this thread helped in one way or another and they are all a part of this ongoing puzzle. Very cool. I can only speak for myself and say that I am honored by the interests and suggestions of so many of you that helped this concept keep going (Especially Dingus, who I think is the real creator of this concept). It couldn't have gotten this far without you all. Again, all I can say is "Very Cool!"

I wouldn't have gotten very far on my own, that's for sure.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #599 on: August 24, 2007, 08:59:35 AM »
good to see u all guys doing a great job here ;)
it's much pleasure to follow ur experiments and conversations

anyway do u know about this colloid generator - http://www.biophysica.com/
which says they could make 12 different colloidal solution including magnesium.
I thinks it's very interesting to make Ag and Mg colloid at home.

thanks for good job