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Dravenn22

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #375 on: May 09, 2007, 06:32:46 PM »
Hey resin,
   I can understand your reserve on this and it is well founded, but if you look at the laws, only melting a penny to profit off of the sale of the raw metal is against the law.  Since you are not selling the metal or creating a product in which you plan to sell with the metal in it, then you are legally in your rights.  Think about it,  have you ever gone to a fair or something and they have a penny crushing machine that takes your penny and smashes it flat and puts their logo on the penny?  Most everyone has.  That is not illegal because you are not planning to profit from what you are doing.  Now as you said, selling the metal of melted pennies is illegal, nowhere does it state that non-profit use is illegal.  But understand your concerns.

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« Reply #376 on: May 10, 2007, 12:59:41 AM »
That sounds like a good idea.  Melting pennies would be easier that buying zinc, but I'm going to compare prices, you never know =P .  How would one remove the copper?  Is it all on top of the melted metal?


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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #377 on: May 10, 2007, 01:51:21 AM »
That sounds like a good idea.  Melting pennies would be easier that buying zinc, but I'm going to compare prices, you never know =P .  How would one remove the copper?  Is it all on top of the melted metal?


-Brian

ammonium persulfate and with water and hydrogen peroxide to get rid of copper, however i have no idea what that would do to zinc

Dravenn22

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« Reply #378 on: May 10, 2007, 04:20:58 AM »
Actually the copper stays in chunks since the melting point of zinc is a lot lower than that of copper.  All you have to do is let all of the pennies melt and then scoop out the copper chunks with anything..You will probably need to stir the pennies once they start melting.  A spoon even works fine for it.  I would make sure it is not a spoon you want to use again.  I would also say that you do need to do this in a well ventilated area because I am not sure of the affects of vaporized zinc, but I have heard it can cause problems.  Just make sure you do not breathe in the fumes and that you do it in a well aired area and always uses good welding gloves or something of that sort when pouring.  No need in getting nasty burns if it hits your hands.  If you can do something to protect yourself from harm, DO IT.  Wear safety glasses and protect any exposed areas.  Unlike a lot of the other metals, Zinc will pour and mold very easily to anything that you want it to mold to without a lot splatter.  Make sure you are using dry pennies and where you pour it also dry.  Think of it this way, one roll of 50 pennies could make a very nice zinc rod for your experiment.  And like everything with the government, they only use the best.  So it will be a very pure grade of zinc.  The main thing to remember is common sense is the main ingredient of all experiments and if your shelf is empty of it, wait till you get some.  Without it, injury is sure to follow.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #379 on: May 10, 2007, 04:51:56 AM »
I don't know gentlemen, all that trouble, danger of burns from the hot metal, and fumes that could harm you doesn't seem much worth it when you can purchase zinc anodes on the internet from boatzincs.com. Why risk your health to save a few bucks, when you may end up injured and spend money on a doctor or hospital bill. Is it really worth the risk? Not to me anyway.

Please be careful everyone.

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« Reply #380 on: May 10, 2007, 05:44:21 AM »
Resin is right... Unless you have experience with metal working, whether it be welding or actual melting of other metals, this may not be the best of ideas.  I am merely trying to help the project along by providing both a cheap and readily available source of very pure zinc.  The way I look at it is sure, buying them from this site might be the easy thing to do, it is certainly not the cheapest and by far not the fastest.  I am sure there are a couple days wait on orders placed and well if time is money, then that is a lot of lots time and money.  Just trying the help the site out.  I will gladly help anyone out who needs me to provide some zinc rods for them if they are scared to try this and are not willing to pay the money they want.  let me know

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« Reply #381 on: May 10, 2007, 12:25:00 PM »
Hi Dravenn,

Your offer to help anyone is greatly appreciated. This forum is filled with people who are willing to help each other. It's a great thing to see. It makes me feel good to post all my results and data in a place where there are a large number of others who appreciate it.

Thanks everyone for your interest, comments, and help.

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« Reply #382 on: May 11, 2007, 11:34:01 PM »
Resin,

How's progress with the new reactor going?

-Brian

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« Reply #383 on: May 12, 2007, 12:34:26 AM »
Sorry, not done yet. Still working on it. My plan is to have a lid that can be popped on and off, sealed with a pressure seal and a gasket. This may or may not work. I will see. If it doesn't seal well enough then I will just cement the whole lid shut and not worry about being able to get at the electrodes. I may end up doing this anyway.

Guess I'm just not fast enough.

Trying my best.

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« Reply #384 on: May 12, 2007, 04:45:12 AM »
As the old saying goes - "If you don't have time to do it right, you'd better have time to do it over."  No need to hurry :)  Heh, good luck with the reactor!

-Brian

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« Reply #385 on: May 12, 2007, 10:00:53 PM »
Hi all,

Latest video on youtube. Nice compilation of pictures and cool music. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGKdko0wAs

Still working on the reactor. Posting soon.

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« Reply #386 on: May 16, 2007, 10:14:20 PM »
So will this reactor be able to regenerate itself?  I think that even if we can regenerate the zinc electrode via a simple charge, that it would be sufficient.  It's better than drawing 8 amps to make hydrogen, right?

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« Reply #387 on: May 17, 2007, 01:38:36 PM »
Hi Brian,

I have been experimenting with regenerating the zinc by using the aluminum electrode inserted into the zinc electrode. See earlier posts. This should regenerate it without electricity. My latest experiments confirm this so far.

However, this link was posted by member deltat back on page 29 of this thread:

http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage7024.html

Notice it only takes 0.9 volts (they don't say what amps but my lab tests showed about a half-amp was required) to regenerate the electrode. So this angle looks promising as a backup as well, though I don't think we will need it.

Have patience with me everyone. The reactor is still being assembled, and I am still doing further experiments with real tungsten/carbide (25%Cobalt) rods as well. The T/C rods are much more reactive than tungsten or thoriated tungsten alone, and the use of the aluminum/zinc electrode looks great so far.

Thank you for your interest.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2007, 09:33:55 PM by ResinRat2 »

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« Reply #388 on: May 18, 2007, 01:04:53 AM »
the aluminum electrode inserted into the zinc electrode
Hi ResinRat2,
can you post the image of that electrode? How did you prepare it? I would like to try it too...
And can you weigh the Al/Zinc electrode before and after your experiment? (after hours or days... if you have some digital scale...?) - to be sure that zinc is not consumed...

Is there really greater production of gas on T/C rods than on pure tungsten rods? Is it welding T/C rod? (I want to know where to get it -- I have only pure tungsten rod now.)

And this article is interesting:
http://pesn.com/2007/05/17/9500471_Hydrogen_via_Aluminum_Gallium/
=Hydrogen from metals(alluminium and gallium in water)

--michael

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« Reply #389 on: May 18, 2007, 01:22:14 AM »
Hi majkl,

Here is a shortcut: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,518.msg25561.html#msg25561

This is where I explain how to make the aluminum/zinc electrode.

Sorry I cannot weigh the electrode. I don't have an analytical balance here at home. I will be testing this long term once the reactor is finished to show definitively what happens to the zinc electrode.

I have been using tungsten rods, and I can surely see that the T/C rods have a more vigorous output. I purchased them from www.innovativecarbide.com. No welding store in my area sells them. I don't know why. Also, it seems that I can connect the t/c electrodes directly to the zinc rod without touching the aluminum portion, and gas starts to come off the t/c.

This is a bit different than what I experienced with pure tungsten rods. Gas only started to come off after I connected the tungsten to the ALUMINUM portion of the aluminum/zinc electrode.

I haven't read your link yet, but I will.

Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your experiments.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2007, 12:09:27 PM by ResinRat2 »