Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding

User Menu

Custom Search

Author Topic: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !  (Read 428097 times)

pg46

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #135 on: December 02, 2006, 01:23:10 PM »
ResinRat2-

 Anytime you place aluminum into some sodium Hydroxide you're going to get quite a reaction. The aluminum reacts violently giving off mucho hydrogen gas, creating a lot of heat and finally leaving behind black aluminum oxide in the remaining solution.
 A very difficult reaction to control indeed.

Best,

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2006, 08:57:23 PM »
Hi pg46,

Yes, the reaction of aluminum in NaOH solution was reacting very vigorously, but what was interesting is that there was NO exotherm during this reaction. This must be due to the aluminum regeneration through the magnesium colloid in this solution.


2Al+3 + 3Mgc --> 3Mg+2 + 2Al



Unfortunately it does not quite keep up with the reaction that produces Hydrogen and consumes the Aluminum; but it does help eliminate the exotherm.

I just wanted to see if this could be controlled electrically. I proved that it could, but it would take careful voltage regulation so that it would stop the hydrogen generation at the aluminum electrode and hopefully
just enough so that the hydrogen generation at the Tungsten-Carbide
electrode would be at nothing or a very minimum. I believe this could be done but not with the equipment I have at this time.

This experiment was not a waste of time. It was research into how this reaction can be influenced and possibly controlled. This technology that Linnard has developed is unique. It has many aspects that can be investigated. Just because we know that aluminum in NaOH solution will give off hydrogen does not mean this experiment was useless. I actually controlled and stopped the generation of hydrogen off the aluminum electrode with reversed energy, and by using the colloids in the solution there must have been some aluminum regeneration. I don't know how much, but it helps to extend the reaction and increase its production of gas.

I will go back to Experiment #13 as it was originally designed with a zinc electrode and work on developing the three-way, low-voltage circuit that I believe can be used to generate efficient hydrogen and oxygen gases to run a fuel cell. Dingus Mungus and I hypothesize that by controlling the hydrogen and oxygen production; and also by controlling the zinc regeneration; enough power can be produced from a fuel cell above these reactions to achieve over-unity. This is based off experimental data that shows that the battery I used for over 5 days of on and off switching of the circuits (not continuously, but intermittently over five days of switching boredom) barely showed any draining of power.

This, I believe, is worth pursuing with further research.

Thanks for your interest.





« Last Edit: December 02, 2006, 09:20:38 PM by ResinRat2 »

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #137 on: December 03, 2006, 04:48:26 AM »
Thanks for the great updates!

I'm slightly worried though... Are you still doing this indoors?
I have most of my components now just waiting on my colloidal Mg.

I really wanted to start this weekend but its not in the cards.
 :-[

Maybe this week I'll be able to do some experiments after work.
 ;)

Thanks for keeping us updated!
~Dingus

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #138 on: December 03, 2006, 03:32:24 PM »
Hi Dingus,

The last few days out here in the Midwest we have had outdoor temperatures in the teens! Work outside? --> I don't think so.

I've kept all my experiments under a vent. I don't want to blow myself up.

Right now I am waiting on the zinc rods (they should be in on December 5th) and I am working on the switching system. I want to be able to switch between the three circuits and Pese gave me an idea how to do it. I've got almost all the parts. I also picked up a voltage-meter.

Slow and steady; progress is being made.

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #139 on: December 04, 2006, 02:53:44 AM »
I see your point, but I hope your squirrel cage fan is brushless...

Great news about your pure anodes coming! Also did I read that you have already obtained pure WC samples? I'm quite excited to hear more about your latest work with the series/parallel reactors. After I do my initial time trial cell tests I will be working on the fuel cell concept...

Do you know of a common component that would allow me to easily measure the cfm of gas produced from a unit? With that measuring ability I could more easily balance the reactor with the fuel cell. That way the reactor can never produce more gas then the fuel cell can convert there by avoiding the pressurization and leaking of the reactor.

I would be interest in obtaining such a component so I could compare the out put ratios of this reactor with conventional electrolysis. I have come to the conclusion that if someone uses experiments to prove exactly how much more efficient then regular electrolysis this apuratus is, perhaps this technology can more rapidly be developed in the open source energy communities. I was hoping to hear others thoughts on ways we can further prove this technology as to intrigue new researchers in to joining the project.

Thanks again Resin,
~Dingus

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #140 on: December 04, 2006, 03:37:22 AM »
Hi Dingus,

I am using Tungsten-Carbide electrodes now. I obtained them from the welding supply store. They are 2% carbide. This is the highest percentage of carbide they had with tungsten electrodes. Also I am now using a 1/8" size. Double the diameter of the old ones I was using that were pure tungsten.

Pese gave me the idea to use a tiny hobby motor with a gear to turn a small wheel that would time the connections. I am working on the design and I am obtaining parts now. It will be a bit before I get anything assembled. It will be a couple of days before the zinc anodes are in so I have some time to fiddle with this.

As far as measuring gas flow. In the lab we used to use a buret turned upside down and filled with water in a small tub or bucket. The gas would be directed into the bottom of the buret with a rubber tube. As the gas displaces the water you can time the rate. This would require you can catch all the gas generated and direct it through a rubber tube into the bottom of the buret. So you would need an airtight container to do the reaction in. I don't have anything like that set-up.

All my relevant results have been posted on this forum so far. I will continue to do this as time goes on. I will also keep you updated, Dingus, with any other relevant findings I come up with.

Good luck with your experiments. Have fun; but most of all, be SAFE!!!
 ;D

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #141 on: December 04, 2006, 08:54:45 AM »
Ahhhh! Great idea! That way the volume is already prelabeled as well.
I should have some pics to post of my first cell this next weekend.

 ;D

Thanks again,
~Dingus

roggy32

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 13
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #142 on: December 11, 2006, 06:44:41 PM »
I am dying to hear about any updates on the testing, Even if the process used zinc on the electrode at a small rate isn't mining and creating the zinc much cheaper then pumping and refining oil?

And even if the process is too slow for on demand hydrogen for vehicles it still could be implemented for home hydrogen creation for a home fill-up of the electric fuel cell based vehicle in the garage.

I would love to be able to buy a zinc electrode and pay for water and buy the converter for my garage if it means I can run clean and free of oil company stifling technical progress.

Limiting the sales of NiMH batteries to Electric Vehicle manufacturers was the last straw.

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #143 on: December 11, 2006, 07:29:46 PM »
Hi roggy32,

At this point I am still working on setting up a switching system so I can test the long term stability of the two-cell system. I plan on having it go through three or four cycles.

The first cycle will be Hydrogen off the tungsten electrode in Cell A and Oxygen off the zinc electrode in Cell B.(About 10-15 seconds.)

The second cycle will be Oxygen off the zinc electrode in Cell A and Hydrogen off the tungsten electrode in Cell B. (About 10-15 sec).

The third cycle will be Hydrogen off both tungsten electrodes in both cells. (About 5 seconds).

The fourth cycle will be Oxygen off both zinc electrodes in both cells (About 20 seconds). This will give special emphasis to the regeneration of the zinc electrode. This is the part of the reaction that appears to have the highest activation energy, and the slowest rate. It should also help to balance the chemistry of the cells. This way the zinc won't be consumed

This will be the starting parameters for testing that I plan on doing as soon as I get the switching mechanism set up. Then I hope to let it go on its own for a few weeks; then see what happens to the gas production or physical changes in the cells.

Dingus Mungus wants to add a fuel cell to see if enough power can be generated to get this puppy to run on its own. This is the goal. A self-contained unit that produces power overunity.

I will be posting results as they come in. Thanks for the interest. This stuff always takes longer than I want it to take too. :'(

 

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #144 on: December 11, 2006, 08:44:08 PM »
Hi mramos,



YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D :D

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #145 on: December 11, 2006, 10:13:24 PM »
Thank you for the offer Mramos but I will have to do a couple of time trials before I hook up any electronics. I'm hoping to experimentally determine the best way to maintain such a cell. Many thanks for your active role in helping us close the loop on this project! I'm hoping that I will be ready to add the circuit in the next month. I just got the last of my components today from the post office. I'll be running a cell tonight but with a galvanized bolt since my pure zinc anodes are still on back order...  :'(

I will post any results I find.

Thanks again to both of you!!!
Its good people like you two that make this forum work.
~Dingus

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2006, 02:49:38 AM »
Hi mramos,

I truly appreciate your help. It's great that you were willing to take on this project with knowledge that I just don't have, and you completed it so quickly.

I will post all my results as I get them, this way everyone can learn from them and use them to their advantage. No sense repeating each others work if it isn't necessary.(Though repeating each others work may be a good idea too.)

My angle will be developing the dual-cell configuration because I want the zinc regenerating constantly; and this way there will be a constant flow of both Hydrogen and Oxygen gases. If I can show it is a system that can be maintained long-term without having to add anything (except water) then that in itself will be an advantage. I speculate that once a fuel cell is added it could possibly power itself, produce excess hydrogen if desired, and be far more efficient than old-style electrolysis; all without any exotherm! From my previous experiments I think it will take very little power to operate this system. We shall see.

Dingus's idea of a sealed unit is even more appealing. There are so many ways we could go with this. I am looking forward to finding out how this can be done. This should be FUN!!!

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2006, 03:28:55 AM »
@Mramos

Galvanized just means zinc and heat treated exterior so it will work as a quick anode for a little while... That is until the zinc layer is removed to reveal a layer of steel that forms the core of the bolt. (then the cell is junk to me) I will be building my first open face cell tonight though! Can't stand arround waiting for the right gear anymore, and the propper anodes will be here soon. Time to dive in!

@ Resin

YES!
THIS WILL BE MUCH FUN!

BTW I'm quite excited to see how you and Mramos's combined efforts turn out. I would suggest using a similar battery to electrolylize tap water so you can compare the consumed water volumes in ratio. Good luck and I hope to hear back more from both of you soon.

This is undoubtably the best project on OU and no one knows it yet. I almost want to keep it that way till we have something solid to show people though. Some of the other threads have gone to the dogs and I'm hoping our quiet research corner will go undisturbed a bit longer.

Thanks again to both of you,
~Dingus

Dingus Mungus

  • TPU-Elite
  • Hero Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 859
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #148 on: December 12, 2006, 07:12:59 AM »
Sounds like you had a hell of a night...
Sorry to hear you let all the magic smoke out of your USB programmer.
:(

but on a lighter note:
I am so tired I am not even going to rattle the SM coil guys tonight..
:D  :D  :D
Laughed my ass off when I read that.

~Dingus

ResinRat2

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1242
    • Hydrogen Reactor Vids
Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #149 on: December 12, 2006, 11:21:27 AM »
@mramos,

Hey Mike, you sound like one determined guy! Whew! Too bad about the smoke.

If things went too smoothly this life would get boring real quick.(lol) ::)