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Author Topic: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !  (Read 374027 times)

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1260 on: November 30, 2008, 05:55:46 PM »
Hi ResinRat2,

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I did several experiments and found that a very large heat differential could be developed using the sodium bicarbonate and silver colloid mixture powered by low voltage to produce hydrogen/oxygen. As a result, I will be starting a new thread that will post results along these research lines. My goal is to build a unit that will produce hydrogen that could be run through a fuel cell and self sustain the reaction as long as solar energy/heat are concentrated on the unit. It will run cold and use no caustic/acid for the electrolyte.

This will be interesting. Can you start this thread and describe the basic setup you have tested ?
So we might assist in doing research adn add info here.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1261 on: November 30, 2008, 09:26:11 PM »
The setup is a glass reactor with two tungsten/carbide electrodes. I tried one platinum electrode and one tungsten carbide electrode but the gas generation was very weak. The electrolyte solution is deionized water with 20% sodium bicarbonate added and 35cc of 300ppm silver colloid solution brought to a total of 200ml.

When a AA battery is hooked to the electrodes a vigorous generation of gases results, and the solution temperature begins to drop. If the reactor is surrounded with warm/hot water to keep the temperature up, the gas is kept at a vigorous rate. At this point in time I am seeing precipitate form, and the polarity of the connections needs to be switched periodically. I am not sure exactly what is happening but it could be that the silver colloid is oxidizing and dropping out.

I will start the thread when I have some solid numbers to post as far as temperature drop and timing of the switching and an idea of exacly what gases are forming. I need to do a flame test. These things I have not analytically studied yet.

It is just an interesting direction I want to pursue right now.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1262 on: December 01, 2008, 05:25:45 PM »
Hi Resinrat2,

thank you. I was doing some research on approving electrolysis and  found a person who delevoped a very good flashbackarrestor. He also presented two videos where he first added two spoons of backing-powder to the water and then slowly added some destilled vinegar and he had this huge abount of C02 prduced.

Then I read this here in the german wikipedia ( unfortunately the relevant pargraph does not exist in the english version ) :


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natriumhydrogencarbonat.

Now scroll down to the end of the page and look for the last formula below the text :

"Bei der Zugabe von Natriumhydrogencarbonat....."

It is stated in this text that any inonic elements like calcium or magnesium will be washed out as carbonate..
and then this formula is placed below .

So I think there is CO2 and the Ag+ Ion will be oxydized at the end of this process.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1263 on: December 09, 2008, 05:24:04 PM »
Hi Kator01,

I suspect, as you mentioned, that the silver ion is being oxidized and that possibly CO or CO2 is being produced. At this time I am waiting on my sample of sodium carbonate to arrive. This is more in line with the cold-fusion work. The sodium carbonate has an interesting bond resonance between the three oxygen atoms attached to the carbon atom.

I have platinum wire that I used for the fuel cell experiments and the tungsten rods, both carbide and thoriated, to play with as electrodes. This is going off this subject of Linnard Griffin's electrolysis but I am responding to your post here. I am also considering adding Dr. Griffin's method of using the silver colloid to lower the energy required for the electrolysis, but I want to find a way to keep the silver from oxidizing; or find a way of regenerating the silver. Perhaps I will incorporate the magnesium colloid as well. If the fusion can work at high voltages, maybe it has a potential to work at low amps and low voltages as well. Maybe not, but it is something I want to look into. I just keep thinking that if the pistol shrimp can create fusion in cavitation bubbles at normal water temperatures, then maybe there are conditions at ambient that can produce this as well.

This is now off this subject and I will start a new thread when I get a few experiments under my belt. I have been looking at the cold fusion threads on this site and have been reading the papers and information on other sites related to cold fusion. To me it looks very interesting and I would like to try a few ideas of my own that I have right now.
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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1264 on: January 09, 2009, 03:31:53 PM »
Hi All,

This website, and Stefan, are great. If there is free energy to be found then this is the place that will find it.

I have been doing an extensive amount of testing lately using variations of Linnard Griffin's electrolysis system, and also variations without using colloidal minerals. All in an effort to get a self running unit.

Using the the usual setup of KOH, Mg and Ag colloids, and tungsten and zinc electrodes I have tried different ratios and concentrations, but even with the timed regeneration, short and long regeneration times, and electrode switching, the cell always ended up with zincated contamination and loss of pH. I could never get it to stay stable. I have to come to the conclusion that after 2 years of work on this that it will never reach the state of overunity and stability for the long term. Maybe Dr. Griffin has found the secret, I don't know; but from what I see this system is good for producing hydrogen on demand, but eventually the zinc, KOH, and colloids will need to be replaced.

I have also been doing variations of his work using sodium bicarbonate or sodium carbonate in place of the KOH. This was in an effort to try and produce the cold-fusion effect that others have seen at high voltages. These cells never self-ran and always needed some electrical input from 0.7 volts and above to get them to produce hydrogen and oxygen off of tungsten carbide, zinc, and thoriated tungsten electrodes. Again, I never was able to produce a cell that self-ran after feeding the hydrogen through a fuel cell. I never saw any excess heat or anything unusual; and the maximum voltage I went up to was about three volts. The cells always became trashy and slowly died.

This will be my last post on this thread, unless some miracle happens and Dr. Griffin reveals some secret technique we don't know about. It has been quite a jouney for me and I will probably still be working on this or similar projects in the future. Thanks everyone for your encouragement and support over this time. If I do happen to find anything worthwhile I will post it here for you all.

One last thing, I am giving up and finally purchasing solar panels for my house from Sharp. Very expensive, but with Obama coming in office I figure the poop is going to hit the fan and come down on us all. No sense waiting any longer for the "miracle" power source or the "miracle" solar panel. The crooks want our money wether we pay it now or later. I don't think I will live to see the generous soul who will give the secret away for free. I am going to be 50 years old next month and can't wait any longer. The sun, with battery backup, is "free"-energy and I want to get my house running on it's own. I am just worn down and tired of waiting.

Pay now, or pay later. The scumbags have got us.

At night and during the day I see water in my mind, splitting into gases that can save us all. All we need is the dang PROCEDURE to do it with.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1265 on: January 09, 2009, 09:43:54 PM »
G'day Dave,

I am sorry to see you like this. We have all been there and will be there again and again until something gives. You have made enormous strides in this technology and the fact that you have not cracked the ultimate goal is not to your discredit.

So, if you feel you have to go away for a while and lick your wounds, do just that. In the meantime rest assured you have a lot of friends here for whom you have been an inspiration. If nothing else, that is an enormous contribution which no-one can take away from you.

Whatever you decide, I wish you well and want to thank you for being the kind of man you are.

All the best.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1266 on: January 23, 2009, 07:57:38 PM »
Sorry guys,I've not finished moving yet.But in Feb I will close on the house I'm moving out of(I found a buyer).And yesterday I became a grandpa to a 7lb 15 oz baby girl.Once I get settled in I 'll come back to this thread and dive in with the hot acid part of Linnard's electroylsis of water. Solar panels are always good to get.I've had them for 9 years in my living room.A 30 dollar solar panel can be made to generate up to 10 x the electricity they were designed for by reflecting to 10x the sunlight on it.Its a 1 to 1 correlation.So 12 volts becomes 120 volts,etc. No reason to be glum.Triffid

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« Reply #1267 on: January 23, 2009, 08:01:33 PM »
I have about 20 different solar panels.All of them can generate up to 10x what they are rated for.Over 10x you might see some damage.But I don't know about that(over 10x).Triffid


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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1269 on: December 12, 2010, 08:00:14 AM »
Dave!

Sorry to hear you hit the same wall I have. Maybe we can come up with another research concept, perfect for a guy like you... The community needs more people like you. I got a new killer idea I would love to talk about with you. Drop me an email if you get this!

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #1270 on: December 19, 2010, 05:26:04 PM »
Hello Chris,

I sent you a PM on this webpage but I guess you didn't get it. I can't find your email address in my records. You need to PM it to me.

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