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ResinRat2

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2006, 03:36:35 PM »
Hi Everyone,

Just to let you know, I am attempting to replicate one of the experiments outlined in Linnard's patent. This is experiment #13. After looking over the patent, this one seemed the safest and easiest to do.

I have a 5% NaOH solution here at work that I am now reducing by evaporation to a 10% concentration as outlined in the patent. I purchased 50ppm colloidal silver and 350ppm colloidal magnesium from the health food store. I also obtained a tungsten carbide electrode from a welding supply near me, and I plan on using a galvanized nail for the zinc electrode. I also have the copper wire for the connection. I am going to try to replicate the experiment exactly (concentrations of colloidal suspensions).

It may be a day or so before any initial results are obtained. I will let you know how it goes. Please be patient with me, I am busy here at work and I want to perform the experiment in one of our vent hoods for safety.

Just to let you know, I preferred the chemistry aspect of this forum, and Linnard's apparatus looked right in line with my interest.

I'll keep you all posted, but please be patient. Thanks!!!
« Last Edit: November 10, 2006, 06:17:14 PM by ResinRat2 »

Dingus Mungus

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2006, 09:50:18 PM »
We all wait in anticipation of your results!
GOOD LUCK! ;)

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2006, 10:07:56 PM »
Hello everyone,

Well, I have to admit, I honestly did not expect it to work, but my experiment is a success. I placed the electrodes into the solution and no gas was produced until I connected the wires between the electrodes. Just like the patent described, the evolution of gas began.

I have buddies here at work who were very interested, and now we are convinced.

I will need to collect the gas to see if it is flammable, but that won't be for a few days.

Just wanted to let everyone know. I duplicated experiment #13 of Linnard's patent.

Free hydrogen is now a reality in my lifetime. Man am I blown away.

Talk to you all later.
 ;D :o :D ;D

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2006, 11:07:42 PM »
Hello,

please can someone tell me what is this Tungsten Carbide - Electrode ( german translation = Wolfram-Pl?ttchen/Carbid ?? )

Regards
Kator

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2006, 11:18:53 PM »
Hello,

please can someone tell me what is this Tungsten Carbide - Electrode ( german translation = Wolfram-Pl?ttchen/Carbid ?? )

Regards
Kator


Molecularly it is:
W < 94%, C < 6.18%, Fe < 0.04%, Mo < 0.010%, Al < 0.001%

I hope that helped...

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2006, 11:21:12 PM »
Hi everyone,

Just as a follow up, I got the experiment going 45 minutes before I left work (I couldn't wait any longer). I disconnected the wires just to see what would happen and the evolution of the gas stopped. I reconnected the wires and it began again.

I left the experiment running in the vent hood at work and the evolution of the gas was a steady slow rate. It looked safe to leave running overnight. I work tommorrow so I will see how much water is left in the beaker. That will be about 14 hours from now. Starting volume was 80 ml total solution.

I believe the rate is slow because the tungsten carbide electrode I used was the smallest available (1/16") and this reduces the surface area available for electrolysis. I will try multiple tungsten electrodes tommorrow to see if I can jack the rate of gas evolution.

I will see if I can get my camara to work tommorrow. Try and figure a way to post pics on the net. (I've never done it before.) Bear with me because I'm not exactly internet experienced.

I will have to alter the apparatus also so that I can collect the gas and test flammability. This may take a while too. I want to leave it at work for safety reasons right now. The caustic solution can be hazardous.

This has me very excited.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2006, 02:21:18 AM by ResinRat2 »

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2006, 11:22:00 PM »
Stephan,

permanent problems with videos. Last avi-video needs a new RealPlaye-Software.
Try to download this new software but the RealPlayer-programm could not find any new
sortware.

These different standards are really a pity. Can we agree on a standard ( mpeg or similar ) which
can be viewed without any problems ??

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2006, 11:28:40 PM »
Dingus

thank you very much. That really helped.
It is a common tungsten-rod used or welding. There are other Tunsten-Rod-Types which have a small percentage of thorium mixed in.
One can repeat this experiment with this kind of electrode. Radioactivity might enhance the electrolysis-process.

Regards
Kator01

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2006, 11:46:03 PM »
This has me very excited.

You can say that again!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Thank god for inventors who share! If this technology
is half as cheap and  easy as it sounds, we are well on
our way to powering the world with water.

Please can you also examine all the submerged metals and
report the level of reduxion that occures and on what materials.

~Dingus

Thanks to all those now working on this replication...
It feels like everyday we get a little closer to independence.

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2006, 12:43:51 AM »
Hi ResinRat2,
Correct me if I am wrong, but this is not really an over-unity device in that eventually it will stop working.
According to one article I read, boron is consumed and boron oxide is the residue.
They then need to convert the boron oxide back into boron using electricity.
I think GardnerWatts (Chris Eccles) were working on a process that produced vast amounts of hydrogen, but chewed up the steel electrodes.

Regards

Rob

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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2006, 01:19:13 AM »
Kingrs,

Please read Linnard's patent and experiment#13.

According to the patent, all components involved in this reaction will be regenerated except water, which is consumed by evolving into hydrogen and oxygen gases.

There is no boron in this reaction mixture. Unless I missed something and somebody would correct me. I am only going by what Dr. Linnard wrote. This experiment requires no electrical input of energy, and it is a catalyst driven reaction. Catalysts are not consumed in this reaction. The five metals involved drive the reaction to completion.

This technology is new to me as well. I only performed the old-style electrolysis in grade-school science class. I never did again in my life until today.

I will begin to re-educate myself on the basics of electrolysis, and what it entails. I never needed it before. I am the first to admit I am woefully lacking in the basics of this reaction. I only followed his (Linnard's) outlined procedure.

To sum things up, no energy input, all components should be regenerated (except water) , a gas is being produced.That's all I know at this point.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2006, 02:09:04 PM by ResinRat2 »

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2006, 01:41:36 AM »
I can fully understand how this is new ground
for you ResinRat, its new ground for all of us.

-BUT-

Please pay careful attention to the electrodes and
their weights and textures so we can judge if indeed
all components except H2O are indeed regenerated.
I would suggest consistant logging of component
and solution weights and volumes.

Thank you greatly for your time and effort in this field.
~Dingus

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Re: Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2006, 01:55:13 AM »
Dingus,

I will keep track of appearance, etc. and let you know what I see.

In normal electrolysis I understand that unless platinum electrodes are used that the oxygen electrode oxidizes. Since only one electrode is giving off gas, then this is probably happening.

I admit, forcefully, that I am woefully lacking in knowledge of this area. Electrochemistry is not my cup of tea. So more experienced scientists may give their information on what is happening.

I only ran the experiment, and I am getting gas evolution. What is really happening needs to be investigated.

Thanks for having patience with me. I am always open to correction.


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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2006, 02:12:42 AM »

In normal electrolysis I understand that unless platinum electrodes are used that the oxygen electrode oxidizes. Since only one electrode is giving off gas, then this is probably happening.


Actually one metal breaks down and one metal is oxidized in a galvanic reaction, but in electrolysis both anode and cathode are similar metals therefor redux does not occur, So it would appear that the device is acting as a battery that electrolyzes its own electrolyte.

I am quite curious to hear how your overnight test concludes.

While I realize you are not familiar with galvanic/voltaic/electrolytic reactions, you are doing exactly what any of us would do with the cell... Testing it thuroughly! I only advise you to track the suggested data to make the testing process shorter. If you can continue to break down water for a extended period of time without significant losses in the metals we may be in business, but I still have a feeling the colloidal solutions and NaOH will have to be replaced which would be energy input.

Thank you again for your contributions and expertise,
~Dingus

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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2006, 02:51:34 PM »
Hi everyone,

Just an update on the duplication of Linnard Patent Experiment #13. The experiment has been going on for 14 hours now.

Came in to work this morning and the Tungsten-Carbide electrode was still producing gas at the same slow rate. It looks like the solution level dropped about 4-5ml (approx) and the solution has developed a very slight brownish tinge. This is probably not due to the electrolysis because the unused solution that I have stored in a jar right next to the beaker has the same very slight brownish color.

I will be taking pictures today and get them posted as soon as I can. I don't have my digital camera available so I will be using a regular one. Once the pictures are developed for me I'll post them.

Let me describe the apparatus. It consists of a 100ml beaker covered by a plastic lid from a one quart container. This covers the top of the beaker, but allows the gas to escape through the pour lip. The lid also holds the electrodes that are pierced through the lid. So we have the solution in the beaker (80ml start volume), a dead space where gas can collect and escape through the pour lip, the electrodes (one tungsten-carbide, one galvanized nail (zinc)) held in place by the plastic lid. Above the lid a copper wire is connected to each eletrode. When the wires are touched together the production of gas begins. The solution in the beaker consists of 100ml of 10% NaOH(aq) into which was added 8ml of 50ppm colloidal silver and 0.6ml of a 350ppm colloidal magnesium. This gives the same concentrations that were described in experiment #13 of Linnard's patent.
The total volume added to the beaker brought the starting level at 80ml.

A few observations:

The galvanized nail that I am using for the zinc electrode has not changed color below the immersion line but above the immersion line (in the dead space where the gas can collect) the electrode has darkened. Interestingly, above the lid (outside the dead space) the electrode has not changed color.

The Tungsten-Carbide electrode, below the immersion line,has darkened slightly but above the immersion line (the dead space) and outside the lid the color has not changed.

The rate of gas production is not dramatic, but it is slow and steady. I will try adding other tungsten-carbide electrodes to see if I can get the rate of gas production increased today.

Thanks for your interest. I will be adding results here as time progresses.