Maybe this will help:

I usually test my purported FE devices in the closed loop mode with external power applied and then throttle back current (not voltage) to the machine until it just stops running. The current required to keep it running tells me what the losses in the system are. If it keeps running when external current supplied goes to zero, I have a winner, no changeover switch required.

This eliminates the need for fancy switchover schemes, although if JDHardy would just use a transfer switch, he would be headed in the right direction.

It also allows you to adjust the system close to the edge to make minor adjustments to improve efficiency.

I dont know if JDHardys generator will also run as a motor (most AC and DC machines will), but if I were doing this type of experiment, I would try the method outlined above.

He could use a bank of parallel lamps from the line to the machine, get the machine up and running,  and switch off lamps one at a time. This would be a crude but effective current source. Naturally his pulley ratios would have to be worked close to mains frequency to allow lock-on.

Since the generator is initially driven as a motor, the system will come up to speed faster

There are variations on this theme, e.g. with a few more switches, the lamp bank can be disconnected from the mains and transferred across the system and now would function as a load bank to test OU power output capability (assuming a self runner).

Regards..HD

@ James:

As I suggested before, don't waste your time and energy on these few people.  (No names mentioned but you know who you are)  Please continue to post here and update the 99% of the decent folks here that want and hope for you to succeed.  Please count me as one of them.
By posting here you open yourself up to criticism, but you also open yourself up to many folks that are experts in various fields and will share information in a constructive manner.  Most of us here on on your side.  Ignore the rest.  They will get bored eventually and go away.

Bill

WATER MACHINE 1620
Water flowing down turns an pump which transports the water back up. There are many variants of this idea:
a electric motor which turns a generator whose electricity is used to power the motor.
In all of these ideas, there is a twist like some kind of gear or change of voltage which confuses a naive observer.

Dont get your back up, Fritz and few else whippersnappers
Chill out, relax ... jerk off and then sleep it off,

see again when next moviegoing
khabe

Lol, the futility of such arrangements (self driven, "perpetual" watermills, or self-blown windmils...) is best shown with Robert Fludd's contraption from the 17th century! Just follow the turning directions of all the spinning parts, and you'll understand...

I see a skeptical view is not very welcomed here... Don't worry, you just have to provide a decent proof  and you'll win.

So far, we've seen a video (jeez... that must be a proof...) and we heard a few unbelievable  claims from the inventor himself... Beside the perpetual motion claimed for the setup, we heard that the inventor discovered a permanent magnet perpetual motor a few years ago, but (for some unknown reason) it never saw a public release... ?!?!

Not a single (fair!) question was answered...
Not a shred of a proof provided...
There is no qualified measurements...
Inventor doesn't know much about the physics...
He already gathered a circle of true believers...
...Which are experts for "paranormal" and "OU" things...
...and they advise him not to listen to skeptical garbage...
..JD, naturally, agrees with it and demands from some of us to go away...

Priceless!

I suggest you to hurry up with your modified setup, JD. Otherwise you may end like a thousands of people, who had similar ideas before you....

You should invite your partners/experts to explain a few things here... A good discussion, why not?

@ James:

As I suggested before, don't waste your time and energy on these few people.  (No names mentioned but you know who you are)  Please continue to post here and update the 99% of the decent folks here that want and hope for you to succeed.  Please count me as one of them.
By posting here you open yourself up to criticism, but you also open yourself up to many folks that are experts in various fields and will share information in a constructive manner.  Most of us here on on your side.  Ignore the rest.  They will get bored eventually and go away.

Bill

You should continue to make fun with the 'ole Lawrence... That's the thing you do best.

"You should continue to make fun with the 'ole Lawrence... That's the thing you do best." (Posted on: August 24, 2008, 05:04:41 PM
Posted by: spinner)

@spinner:

Since you obviously don't know me at all, how could you possibly think that you would have any idea what it is that I might do best?

In an attempt to be fair, I checked out a selection of your latest posts on record on this forum and, as I guessed, 99% were sad attempts to demean someone's efforts, or tear down someone's theory.  I am wondering what happened to you in your childhood that makes you feel you have to belittle someone else to make you look better to yourself?  You "claim" to be an EE yet on the Stiffler topic, you have revealed just how little you really know about electricity in general.  You blasted Dr. Stiffler and attempted to ridicule his work such to the point that he does not post there anymore.  Nice job.  Now I see you are attempting to do the same thing over here.

So, let's see your OU devices then?  At least let us see the videos and photos of your OU device experiments?  Oh, you don't have any?  OK, let's see your energy experiments efforts.  None of those either?  I figured that since you are such an expert at criticizing others work on here that surely you must have many working devices.  I guess all of your time is spent attempting to blast others so you don't have any time left for doing any real work yourself.  It is a shame really.  You might actually be a smart guy.

Bill

Hi all.
Firstly...the inventor told us "why would I waste time to build a prototype,  make a video, hire a Patent Attorney"
If he did that, then he is not going to tell anything here....duh.
Secondly...as a neutral observer, I agree that plenty of time has been given for information to be provided on all aspects of the machine.
As nothing has been provided, there is no choice other than to be skeptical at least.
I think that if you come here with a machine, people have the right to ask for schematics and details and theoretical explanations.
The mention of Patent attorney's defeats the purpose of coming here...none of us should be subjected to endless tid bits of useless information from inventors not willing to openly disclose.
Just what I think.
Scotty...United Pumps Australia
http://www.unitedpumps.com.au/

@ scotty1:

I agree.  When you file for a patent and it turns out there has been public disclosure of your idea, your patent will be null and void.  I personally believe that the (at least my understanding) principle of open source is just that, open, and in direct conflict with the patent system.

I never blame anyone for being skeptical.  I am very much so about most things.  I have been through countless magnetic motor topics here with videos on youtube that turned out to be faked.  During these little fiascoes, while being skeptical and having many doubts, I attempted to remain civil toward the "inventor" and asked questions about the device and designs.  I even attempted replication myself just to prove that it would not, and could not work. I always tried not to accuse the man himself of outright fraud and deception before the facts were in, even though this turned out to be the case in each instance.

I have always admired your work and research on Ed Leedskelnin.  I have photos of Coral Castle my Dad took on his visit there and have showed them to many folks who then tell me there was no way one guy could have done all of that.  Well, I believe he did even though common sense should tell us it was impossible.

As far as this topic goes, I guess I am trying to keep a somewhat open mind and hope that possibly James did find a special symbiosis when combining existing devices that somehow do what they should not. 

When I think of all of the "impossible" devices my father worked on (along with many, many other folks) during his time at Bell Labs, including the transistor, laser, solar cells, wave guides for microwaves, cell phone technology, etc. I remember how many folks said none of those devices could ever be made to work.  Well, they do and some supposedly bright physicists had to rethink what they thought they knew about the world.

In summation, I think we should all be skeptical and challenge new ideas and devices and ask for reasonable explanations but not attack the man (or woman) and call them liars and frauds right out of the box as some have done here, and, as it turns out, just about everywhere else they post.  This is what I do not agree with.

Thanks

Bill

James     Spinner goes around and tries to play Forum police  he loves to give out his resume  but he is no friend to this Forum  Completely disregaurd his contributions here He wants you gone Did this recently on the Stiffler thread the imhotep thread  and other places because he was COMPLETELY unaware of what was going on [and jumped to ignorant conclusions ]Chet

James     Spinner goes around and tries to play Forum police  he loves to give out his resume  but he is no friend to this Forum  Completely disregaurd his contributions here He wants you gone Did this recently on the Stiffler thread the imhotep thread  and other places because he was COMPLETELY unaware of what was going on [and jumped to ignorant conclusions ]Chet

I feel sorry for you, ramses...And I'm sorry for all of my words (good faith!) directed to you..
You're really just a "village idiot"
Good bye, and -  piss off....!

Up till today not explaned - was it fake or meant as joke.
Question is not about someone wants to build such kind of unit -  try to cheers -  we all do bear good will - good success !!!
Question is about honesty,
Because "Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp..."  was declared as the straight dope,
and later accrued selfrunning magnet wheel ... seems the author did not know that the only one in the world
Ohh dear!
It is September now,
Honesty presupposes red blood, virility,
Sometimes we can meet deficiency of ... unfortunately not very seldom ...

with due respect,
khabe