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Author Topic: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...  (Read 258595 times)

AquariuZ

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #360 on: April 23, 2009, 02:04:22 AM »
Assuming the snow has melted in the driveway, can we now expect a decent demo of the device?

lanblan4

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #361 on: June 26, 2009, 10:53:01 PM »
 ;D
« Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 07:04:20 AM by lanblan4 »

lanblan4

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #362 on: June 27, 2009, 07:14:00 AM »
 ;D


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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #364 on: June 27, 2009, 10:46:04 AM »
The generator is overheating?, so you add watercooling of some sort to the generator, you are already pumping water around, so you may as well use it...

Anyways looking forward to the "outdoors" demo video... :D

Xaero_Vincent

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #365 on: June 29, 2009, 07:46:33 PM »
The device 6x6 is selling is obviously fake.

Ignoring my belief that the original, self-running water machine was a fake, without the generator it could only work when the pump is plugged in. As soon as its disconnected the pump shuts off and the water stops flowing to the water wheel. LOL. I would of given 6x6 the benefit of the doubt if he were offering a incomplete device; however he mentions "water hammer" as the operating principle, implying that the device works in its present configuration, without a generator.

If the generator was somehow providing overunity, utilizing the excess power directly to run an electric motor is far more efficient then powering a water pump that spins an extremely inefficient mechanical water wheel.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 08:12:57 PM by Xaero_Vincent »

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #366 on: June 29, 2009, 08:34:48 PM »
If you are referring to me as 6X6 then here is my answer. James Hardy says in his own words that "his" invention will not work by hooking up a motor to his generator, so the working principle has to be something else. What I offered for sale was the paddle wheel portion of The James hardy setup. What I showed was what was for sale. Not including the generator, which is another project. This was not offered as a complete device or complete replication.
   If you watched video, you must have not noticed THE WATER BUBBLES APPEARING, JUST WHEN THE WHEEL ACCELERATED. THE WATER BECAME MILKY BECAUSE AIR BUBBLES WERE INTRODUCED AT THE INLET.
  STUDY SCHAUBERG, CLEM, GRIGS HYDROSONIC PUMP AND OTHERS THAT USED WATER HAMMER OR CAVITATION TO PRODUCE OVERUNITY.
   This is not the same unit as James Hardy built. Note that I cupped the Large washers which James attempted to do but his results were not the same as mine. All other parts were the same as what he used except my container which was professionally made by a factory.
    When you see the costs of what this thing cost to make and add the price of a generator, it will become obvious that a solar panel if much cheaper, "dollar per watt". Plus the fact that the solar panel doesn't burn up. Also you are right: THERE IS NO RELIABLE VERIFICATION THAT THIS EVEN WORKS.

lanblan4

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #367 on: June 29, 2009, 08:37:14 PM »
Back in February I went over to Mr. Hardy's house for a demonstration. The setup he's using seems to work well. I asked him many questions and one was why not use an electric motor. I saw 2 or 3 motors in his garage and he explained to me that he went down that route and the motors always overheated. He said to me that the force it takes to turn the generator is greater than the motor can put out. Hence, the motors overheated. He said that's why he went to the water pump. The force from the water was what he needed and there was then no overheating. He modified his water wheel and it looked like he had tripled his paddles. There was also a box in between the output from the generator to the receptacles that did not show in the video. He did not say what the box was. I can assure you that I witnessed his machine running and I looked carefully for any wires or any underground connections and I saw nothing. I did get a close look at his generator - he had the cover off the back of it and I could see he had done a lot of work to it, but he would not explain the work that he has done to it. 

Xaero_Vincent

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #368 on: June 29, 2009, 09:01:21 PM »
lanblan4,

So the secret then is with the generator and has nothing to do with water? He could of just bought a more powerful passive cooled motor to spin the generator. In theory the excess power produced by the overunity generator could just power the motor spinning it. Neither the water pump or the paddle wheels are mechanically efficient and in this case rather dangerous for water to come in contact with electricity. It would of probably been cheaper than spending it on a tub, $300 water pump, etc.

I also found  how the 60 watt lamp suddenly shut off rather than dim kind of strange. Did you notice that when he performed the demonstration?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2009, 09:39:19 PM by Xaero_Vincent »

Xaero_Vincent

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #369 on: June 29, 2009, 09:47:34 PM »
6x6,

I'm not really familiar with water hammer except that it can occur when the inertia of moving water is suddenly halted and back pressure builds?

Perhaps an overunity device was designed from it but I don't see how this device can produce water hammer. If the operating principle was that then by your account the manufactured water pump itself would be the overunity device.

lanblan4

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #370 on: June 29, 2009, 09:48:29 PM »
Xaero,

Maybe I should have explained myself a little more but I asked him many questions along with three other people who were asking many questions as well. Two of them were there for documentation. He did say the motors he used were all air cooled, but I'm not an electrical engineer and he repeated that the motors would overheat from the force of a generator under a load. Looking around his garage, I saw all the electric motors, water wheels, and all the disabled generators. There were also many different parts around the garage. It did not seem like this was just something that was thrown together. I wanted to see this thing running with my own eyes because I could not believe what he has come up with. To me, there is a lot more going on here than you and I could imagine. He answered every question that he was asked and I couldn't see any faults. I think he has just worked hard on this project to get to where he is today. To quickly explain the light bulb shutting off after he pulled the plug from the waterpump - if I remember correctly what he said was that the generator had a relay switch on it to prevent low voltage backfeed. But I could be wrong about that. If you have any questions, try emailing Hardy yourself. Good luck. 

Xaero_Vincent

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #371 on: June 29, 2009, 10:24:39 PM »
Larger motor with some fail-safe electronics/voltage regulators and perhaps a mechanical governor for the generator can protect it. A water jacket with a small volume of circulating through a radiator can be used to cool the motor as well. Regardless, it appears to me that the water wheel and pump aren't necessary if the overheating issues can be controlled, which they can be in a much more efficient manner than they are now.

If you believe your eye-witness account then there is obviously much more involved here because nothing less than perhaps a 1000% efficient generator could sustain itself with all the mechanical losses involved with the water system.

Unless Mr. Hardy reveals exactly how is generator works and successful replications follow, he has no more credibility than other alleged inventors that have failed to deliver.

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #372 on: July 08, 2009, 11:40:30 PM »
Here is one of the biggest hurdles Mr. Hardy has to overcome.
COUNT THE COST AND COMPARE THIS TO A SOLAR PANEL.
The solar panel will win every time. AND THEY ARE GETTING BETTER AND CHEAPER. They work everytime and I used mine for 15 years with no diminishing return or need of repair. Because of this I doubt that the Hardy device will ever go anywhere.

Thaelin

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #373 on: July 09, 2009, 12:46:15 AM »
   Except on cloudy, stormy days and when the sun goes down. No sun, no power. Same with wind, no wind no power. Both are unpredictable. On the other hand, 60 watts cant cut it either, try about 10,000 average for a house.

thay

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #374 on: July 09, 2009, 06:22:02 AM »
If this device is in fact real, there is no question that its in fact the generator responsible for the "magic". The water paddle and pump don't really do anything except serve as a very inefficient load. All we need is to replicate the generator but of course thats not possible as we don't have a diagram of the circuit. Water is not necessary and not worth the danger when near electricity.

There's no point wasting time on this until the inventor shares how his generator works.