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Offline Michelinho

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #210 on: August 20, 2008, 06:19:05 AM »

Hi all,

Critique is good up to a point. It is not trying to prove that you are right and the other wrong to a dead end.

State your facts and if the target doesn't like it, do not pursue to no end. The experimenter has to stay focused.
If he wants to share his experiments or only part of it, great but don't pry. We have to work together on this if we are to succeed. I use the critics to refocus, then I ignore those if the are in only for bickering.


Take care,

Michel

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #211 on: August 20, 2008, 09:04:55 PM »
Fritz: I watched James's video again and this is what I saw. Starting at the plug receptacle that is mounted on the plywood and where the lightbulb is plugged in, I see a black plug that appears to be cut off an extension cord or other appliance. Where it is cut off there is a pigtail, or "two wires coming out at the end of the extension cord". These two wires each have what we call here in the US wire nuts. These are just screw on connectors to hook two wires together. These wire nuts have been partially wrapped with black electricians tape.  One of these wires go to the top receptacle of the capacitor nearest the front of the generator exits at the opposite side of the capacitor and goes in series back to the top receptacle of the capacitor nearest the back of the generator and exits out of opposite end of that capacitor nearest the back of the generator and goes into the generator to the generator windings. The opposite wire exits at the wire nut and goes to the capacitor nearest the front of the generator. If you look closely you can see the connector just below the top wire on the capacitor where it hooks up. This goes in parallel with the top wire back through the capacitors which are wired in series and goes into the back end of the generator. This is in parallel with the top wire. The lower wire cannot be seen under the top wire going back into the generator, that is either because it was purposely removed to hide it for the video or was so close in parallel that it is hidden by the top wire. The capacitors must be dual capacitors or two capacitors in each can.
  As for the switch at the back of the generator. I would guess it is all of the below.
1. Where the wires are attached to, like a buss strip or barrier strip:
2. Diode assembly for the excitation of the rotor.
3. regulator.
4. and also possibly a centrifugal type relay switch that turns the generator on after it reaches the proper RPM to generate and turns if off when the RPM is to slow to generator without damage to the load, this would explain the sudden shut off when the device is shut off.
ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE WELCOME.
Definition of a Buss strip or Barrier strip. This is simply where two or more wires are hooked together on a neat bakelite or nylon connector that is fastened down to a solid surface to keep things neat and tidy. It has screws to tighten up and lock the wires in place.

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #212 on: August 20, 2008, 10:40:13 PM »
666666:

I ended up not going over to my partner's workshop last night - he was too busy finishing up a job.  So I am going over tonight.  It is 4:40 EDT and I'll be leaving in about half an hour.  I called him last night and spoke with him about asking people on websites for info.  He told me not to bother, that everything will be okay but I disagreed and told him that everyones' opinion, findings or any feedback could be a good thing.  He's bringing two friends over to his shop to give some feedback on the windings tonight.  Let's not worry about capacitors at this time.  The machine was made up to run with a battery and 12V pump.  This is why some wires are cut off and moved around the box.  The project we will be working on tonight is the windings.  That's the info I'm looking for as it would be the most help right now.  I've only rebuilt a few generators and motors and have learned the following:  the more windings you put on, the more voltage you get, the less windings you have, then the less voltage you have.  The thinner the gauge, the less current you are going to get.  The thicker the gauge, the more current you are going to get.  There is a mathematical formula to working out the balancing.  Anticlockwise vs. clockwise.  It is important to know where to start the 1st phase and where the end of the phase is.  That's a little I know about rewinding.  I am looking for any information that anyone might have.

Thank you,
James   

Offline spinner

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #213 on: August 20, 2008, 10:57:31 PM »
@ James:

Look.  You are here on a public forum that is frequented by a lot of really intelligent, dedicated researchers and experimenters.  Unfortunately, not everyone here has the same goal in mindSome just like to rip into people because they themselves did not, or could not, come up with anything new.

Please don't let one or two folks here stop you from posting on this forum.  Most of us "want" to learn about energy and different ways to create and utilize itPlease ignore the rest and stay until we can all together determine what exactly you have going on here.  You will find a lot of smart guys that can help you, and you can help us.  We are all in this together and, if you indeed found some breakthrough method with your device, we are all ears.

Put it this way, you could be the Wright brothers back at the turn of the century and post here that you found a method of flight.  A lot of us would be excited and helpful, still, some would say..."no way, you faked the flight".  I am sorry that this is the way it is.  Just read the posts from helpful folks and ignore the rest, and keep us in the loop.  I am sure there are a lot of folks on here that agree with me.  If you discovered some anomaly with generators, and caps, and water pumps, we need to know about it and go from there.  I hope you remain with us.  Thanks.

Bill

Hmm, Pirate88179, could you be more specific? I'd like to explain a few things, starting with the Wright brothers "history"....
If you're pointing on people like Khabe,.. or me, please, just say so...
OK?

Offline fritz

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #214 on: August 20, 2008, 11:38:31 PM »
666666:

I ended up not going over to my partner's workshop last night - he was too busy finishing up a job.  So I am going over tonight.  It is 4:40 EDT and I'll be leaving in about half an hour.  I called him last night and spoke with him about asking people on websites for info.  He told me not to bother, that everything will be okay but I disagreed and told him that everyones' opinion, findings or any feedback could be a good thing.  He's bringing two friends over to his shop to give some feedback on the windings tonight.  Let's not worry about capacitors at this time.  The machine was made up to run with a battery and 12V pump.  This is why some wires are cut off and moved around the box.  The project we will be working on tonight is the windings.  That's the info I'm looking for as it would be the most help right now.  I've only rebuilt a few generators and motors and have learned the following:  the more windings you put on, the more voltage you get, the less windings you have, then the less voltage you have.  The thinner the gauge, the less current you are going to get.  The thicker the gauge, the more current you are going to get.  There is a mathematical formula to working out the balancing.  Anticlockwise vs. clockwise.  It is important to know where to start the 1st phase and where the end of the phase is.  That's a little I know about rewinding.  I am looking for any information that anyone might have.

Thank you,
James   

Hi !

The minimum wire gauge should be around AWG 16, thats somewhat useful
for 10 Amps / 1000 W, even with that you should operate only for some minutes,
then let it cool down.
To be on the save side - AWG 13 would be ideal - but I think that with this gauge,
the number of turns wont fit.

Whats about this generator - has it brushes at the end to supply the rotor ?
Is there a rectifier for the rotor coil ?

If you have such a rotor - using kind of circuit to limit the current there would
protect the generator - and help you to stay with AWG16 or 17.

This could be an adjustable power resistor (which would waste energy) or
kind of chopper setup with free wheeling diode.

@666...
I agree with your analysis, what concerns the way it shuts off -
I think this is because the way how the rotorfield gets excited,
On a asynchronous machine - the lamp should show a steady dim....


rgds.

You could reduce the number of turns by a third (but dont blame me
if it doesnt work afterwards ...)
It really depends on the "setpoint" of that setup.

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #215 on: August 21, 2008, 03:47:34 AM »
@ Spinner:

If I were "pointing" at you, or someone, believe me, I would have said so.  I wasn't so I didn't.  I was offering some words of encouragement to James is all.  Anyone that does not like that, or understand that, can go F*ck themselves.  I really don't care.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #216 on: August 21, 2008, 06:44:33 AM »
@JDHardy54
Whatever changes you come up with I hope you never change the generator that worked in any way.
That should always be kept as a reference point, you may never get another one to work if you do.
If you can modify another generator to work as well or better then the one you have then you have made history.
Many have built freak devices that did unexplainable things, but they never seem to be able to duplicate the device.
So if you can get another one built then call together members of the scientific community and blow them all away.


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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #217 on: August 21, 2008, 07:05:17 AM »
@ AbbaRue:

That is good advice.  Well said.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2008, 10:55:56 AM »
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe


Offline fritz

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #219 on: August 22, 2008, 01:19:58 PM »
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe



You are kindly invited to start an interesting thread or
present your mindbuggling inventions.
Build some SEC exciters or blow up your shower
cabin with a modified spark plug.
Don?t forget the new aproaches in Pyramid Energy
conversion...
Or write an faq for a topic whats interesting and you
feel competent.

rgds.

Offline JDHardy54

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #220 on: August 22, 2008, 07:14:36 PM »
Something unclear up till today?
For me the only thing whats unclear - why JDHardy54 did it and continually does ... and why so many captivated,
HOW ITS POSSIBLE ???
OverUnity - good site! Why to crap, why to lie?
Not critique is what is killing this site - lying does !!!!!!!!
Generator not good, pump is not good ... what else?
Now decided DC, but how you kept frequence, voltage, current before ::)
Now you trying what - motor-generator overunity ???
But you have not even faintest idea about motors and generators :-\
Im sorry,
khabe


 
Khabe and Spinner,

Come on guys. All your comments are being made to me and other people on this website.Why don't you two just bow out of this website so the rest of us can work together as a team.  I don't want or need anymore of your comments - and I am sure others would be happy too.  Why stay on this site if it's something you don't believe in?  I'm sure you can find other constructive things to do.  By the way, I printed off everything from this website and showed your comments to my  colleagues who are very experienced in the fields of electronics and engineering.  They seem to think that you two are off base quite a bit on your calculations and your comments.  I don't want to get into a pissing match with you guys.  All I asked in my last posting was an opinion on rewinding a generator and I guess that your answer was that I was a liar and that I don't know anything about motors and generators.  Do not give me anymore of your opinions or feedback please. If you feel compelled to do so, I won't bother reading your crap (to use your word).

James


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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #221 on: August 22, 2008, 08:00:33 PM »
 
Khabe and Spinner,

Come on guys. All your comments are being made to me and other people on this website.Why don't you two just bow out of this website so the rest of us can work together as a team.  I don't want or need anymore of your comments - and I am sure others would be happy too.  Why stay on this site if it's something you don't believe in?  I'm sure you can find other constructive things to do.  By the way, I printed off everything from this website and showed your comments to my  colleagues who are very experienced in the fields of electronics and engineering.  They seem to think that you two are off base quite a bit on your calculations and your comments.  I don't want to get into a pissing match with you guys.  All I asked in my last posting was an opinion on rewinding a generator and I guess that your answer was that I was a liar and that I don't know anything about motors and generators.  Do not give me anymore of your opinions or feedback please. If you feel compelled to do so, I won't bother reading your crap (to use your word).

James



... just ignore them ...
I do it this way: If there is a suspicious posting - I pick only one word per line,
this is enough to decide if its worth reading.


Offline khabe

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #222 on: August 22, 2008, 09:07:55 PM »
I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees.  There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of  the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments.  Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails.

Sincerely,
James Hardy

 :o

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #223 on: August 22, 2008, 10:05:22 PM »
:o
Believe it or not, I've been very busy.  Today was the first day that I tested the machine since we have made changes.  I have added more paddles to the wheel and I put the machine up on caster wheels.  I put it in the front of the garage and did a test run.  I just emailed my partner - the problem that I am having is that I am only getting about (300watts) and I can not change over to generator power at that time.  I don't know what I have done wrong, besides adding triple the paddles.  I was looking forward to making the new video today.  I'm waiting for my partner to get back to me and for him to get over here - it could be something that is very simple.  Just wanted to give you an update and we'll be getting to you all soon

khabi,

This was posted back on August 12th.  You are pulling up something from July 20th.  I told you in the last email that I did not want to hash back and forth about childless issues.  I'm just wondering how old you are.  I shouldn't have to explain anything to you anymore.  I can't believe I am even responding to you now.  Things do happen in life and some things take longer than expected.Think about this khabi - why would I waste time to build a prototype,  make a video, hire a Patent Attorney, involve electricians and engineers and put it on the internet if I wasn't serious about this machine. I asked you to bow out, but it seems you have nothing better to do.  I have gotten emails from people from this website telling me that all you two do is criticize peoples' ideas on this and other websites. Goodbye and good luck.

James

Offline khabe

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Re: Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...
« Reply #224 on: August 22, 2008, 10:34:59 PM »
Main question is - was your first video just a trick, and you just believed that this kind of overunity is possible? Now you are trying to do it in reality but ... khm...khm ...
You posted Jul 20 (!!!)
"I will be making a new video next week with the machine up on caster wheels and the machine will be running while I am walking around it 360 degrees.  There will also be better lighting, longer running time and the machine will be in the middle of  the room to demonstrate that there are no hidden wires or compartments.  Additionally, the video will show an update on the pump. Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner but I have been swamped with emails."
Very simple - just new video - "there are no hidden wires or compartments" ...................... Unfortunately not seen,
You claimed your video is truth,
You had one month to tell that it was not ... was just a "little bid" assisted model of daydream-machine ...

khabe,
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