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Author Topic: this pyramid should produce electricity. (thomas trawoger's pyramid explaned.)  (Read 104537 times)

Offline nitinnun

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the peak antenna can just be a wire, which is wadded up into a ball. assuming the peak itself can't be used as the peak-antenna after all.

the more conductor/wire in the antenna, the more it is "collecting".


i think that simplicity is the ultimate wisdom.
to make things as simple as possible, while still retaining their meaning/importance/function.
sort of like trimming all of the fat off the meat.

that is what nature does. nature favors the simplest/easiest/best ways to do things. while still being "forgiving" of research and development.

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Offline wile_coyote7

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Sooo,

Can the top antenna be the top plate and the bottom antenna be the bottom plate? That would be the most simple design. Also, would the bottom plate need to be grounded or float?

In every image (drawing or graphic) that has been posted in this thread, they show the capacitor having 4 leads. Every capacitor that I've ever seen only has 2 leads. So how is one to get 4 leads? Use 2 caps instead of 1?

Offline nitinnun

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the antenna connection would have to be tried both ways. there is no other way to be certain.


2 of the leads hook up to the pyramid.
the other 2 leads hook up to the device being powered.
it is that simple.

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Offline nightwynd

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Okay, I think I`m catching on a bit, but this well thing is still throwing me for a bit of a loop.

Would it be best (output wise) to have a well, or just to use the aluminum sides as a ground? If you are using the well idea, you need a large cavity underneath the pyramid for a wire to go into I assume, and the aluminum sides are then no longer allowed to touch the ground, or you risk shorting out your field. With a well, is it entirely necessary to have a ground at all? I'm just thinking that it would force the field back in on itself and make it stronger (like a smoke ring).

Okay, another picture for your perusal. On the left is a slightly modified version of the ones from before. I basically increased the length of the ground wire (assume it is going down into a well), and added a coil inside the pyramid itself in the negative core area. I added that bit in as a bit of an experiment to see if i'm thinking down the right path here. On the right hand part of the picture, is a front schematic view of the whole thing.

Offline nitinnun

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1: electrically connect the base-antenna to the aluminum. BUT, leave the base-antenna in the center of the pyramids floor.
so that the base antenna is in the negative sweet spot.

we are not using the dirt for this.
so a well is not required.

it is possible that you could remove the aluminum, and use the dirt outside instead.
but if you did, you would still need a non-conductive pyramid, to put the copper cap-plate on top of.
because the non-conductive pyramid, would still be needed to guide the magnetic field, to the ground.


2: raise the peak-antenna higher up. so that it is closer to the positive sweet spot.
attach it to the end of a straw or something.




by the way. the giza pyramids well, was a sand hole, filled with saltwater.
thomas  "cluster-mid" trawoger, put sand and saltwater into his copper loop.

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Offline nightwynd

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nitinnum, If I'm getting you right,  I've made the following adjustments:

1. Removed the ground plug (wire or w/e)
2. Added a coil in (what I presume to be) the sweet spot for the upper antenna
3. Added a support structure to keep the upper antenna in place (wood or plastic - non-conductive I assume)
4. Drawing wires is tedious, so let us assume that each coil is electrically connected to it's corresponding metal surface

Any Idea what would be an ideal material to build the pyramid structure itself out of? I was thinking either wood, or clear acrylic plastic. Or would an open framework work even better, and just wrap the metals around it in the proper spots?

Let me know, and I'll update again tomorrow. It's definately taking shape, once I'm happy with it I'll assemble a list of material requirements and do a little shopping to see If I can get everything local here...any idea on what size capacitor you'd be looking for on a 2 foot pyramid?

Nightwynd.

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@nightwynd

Great graphic design work!!!

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Offline nitinnun

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lower the base-antenna, so it is 1 inch above the floor.

and add a little more copper to the peak, and a little less aluminum to the base.
so that the copper is 40% surface area, and the aluminum is 60% surface area.

other than that, the design looks like what i planned in my mind.

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here is how i want to make the pyramid:

1: cut many layers of big cheap rosin-paper from the hardware store, into triangles.
(they sell huge rolls of it for only $8.)

2: make the peak 76 degree's, and the 2 base angles 52 degree's. like the giza pyramids.

3: cup the peak off of each triangle, where you want the copper and aluminum to sepperate.
(if the triangle is made of several layers of paper, than duct tape them together at the edges)

4: wrap the peak in copper foil, and the base in aluminum foil.
(this is the easiest way to control the distribution of metals. trust me)

5: punch holes on the sides of each triangle. then zip tie 4 triangles together, into a pyramid.
(this will work, as long as the metals touch electrically. the pyramid does not require its metals to be in 1 solid isotope.)
(zip ties are cheap in bulk, at the hardware store.)

6: insulate the peak from the base. then secure the copper peak to the aluminum base.


you may have to be creative about making the edges secure. i wanted to bend one inch of each triangle side, into a "seam". then connect the seam of one triangle, to the seam of another triangle.

this "seam" technique would create an imperfect pyramid. but it should still work well enough for what we want. since most of the effect is due to the pyramids sides, and not the edges.

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here is how i want to make the pyramid:


2: make the peak 76 degree's, and the 2 base angles 52 degree's. like the giza pyramids.


Please let me make some suggestions based on experience.

The base is a bit longer than the sides, so to fit this onto a piece of poster paper:

The sides are .95 times the base.
So, start with a 26 inch side multiply that by .95 and you will arrive at 24.7 or about 24 3/4 inches for each side.
You will be able to construct this using a string and pencil if you don't have a metal tape.

When you have finished drawing your first triangle do 2 things:

1- draw 2 or 3 tabs each about 2 inches long and 1/2 inch wide along the right side of the triangle.

2- Cut it out and before you make any more, trace this triangle onto another piece of your paper and then flip it and make corrections if needed.

(This is to prevent insanity.)
ANY ERROR IN ONE TRIANGLE WILL MULTIPLY ITSELF.




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5: punch holes on the sides of each triangle. then zip tie 4 triangles together, into a pyramid.
(this will work, as long as the metals touch electrically. the pyramid does not require its metals to be in 1 solid isotope.)
(zip ties are cheap in bulk, at the hardware store.)

I have found that clear packing tape (the more expensive kind sold in mailing shops) works really well.

Thing is if the attachments are not REALLY secure, the whole thing wants to twist and it becomes very wonky.


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you may have to be creative about making the edges secure. i wanted to bend one inch of each triangle side, into a "seam". then connect the seam of one triangle, to the seam of another triangle.

The top is probably more important than the bottom.
Try to keep the point as sharp as possible.
This is where the packing tape helps again. It is rather stiff when folded and creates a rather strong point.
And any tab or seam added at the top just gets in the way.

I guess add the copper tape later.

In fact one could make a separate copper pyramid that slips onto the basic form. pyramids nest very well. This would allow some overall size changes that wouldn't effect the top.

I hope this helps,

jeanna

Offline nitinnun

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the pyramid does not have to be mathematically perfect, to sufficiently perform its energy activity.

in fact, the pyramids energy activity, is extremely forgiving of errors.

even if 50% of the pyramid were bent out of shape, than that 50% should still have 50% of the energy effect (magnetic current would be the biggest sufferer, however).


most of the pyramids energy effect, depends on the surface area of the 4 sides. the edges are just where the 4 sides end.
the biggest function of the edges, are to seal in energy. to keep the energy flowing from peak, to middle, to base, to outside, and back to peak.

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Offline nightwynd

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Now what the heck does: User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 100000) mean? I?ve gotten that message a bunch of times now and it won?t let me post?irritating.

@wile_coyote7 - Thanks :) It's a bit of a hobby...I'd run the full version of 3d studio max...but Vista blows goats and won't run it very well at all. So I'm stuck using GMAX - it's a free program to download (Free lisence) just google it if you want to play around.

Okay, so I modified the pyramid a bit...I was a bit confused about the 60/40 split...did you mean actual surface area? or 60% of the overall height of the pyramid? They are two very different things...

The pyramid I've drawn here is done to the same exact dimensions as the ones in Giza... 440 long on the base, and 280 overall height. The ones in Giza were measured in cubits, but gmax does not distinguish units. It can be inches, centimeters, millimeters, or kilometers - it's all the same.

I'm a bit surprised about constructing it out of rosin paper - seems like it'd be flimsy to me. And how would you go about putting the layers of paper together? Elmers glue? If that's the case, why not just build it out of foam-core and save yourself about 4 hours of tedious labour? (come to think of it I've got about a dozen 3'x4' sheets of foam core just sitting around doing nothing...) Would foam-core be a viable material to use? If so I'll begin cutting fairly quickly.

Anyway - here's the updated model: I made the copper/aluminum split at 60/40 of overall height as it was easier and didn't require me to do scads of math to calculate the proper triangle size. I also moved the peak coil down near the base of the peak. The picture itself is a screen-shot of what i'm looking at.

Nightwynd.

Offline nitinnun

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i wanted to bend 20 layers of rosin paper in half, to make 100 layers.
then cut a triangle out of those.
then put 2 layers of duct tape over that.

that many layers of rosin paper, plus duct tape, plus metal wrapping, would be sturdy enough.


you can use any non-conductor, in place of rosin paper. though i'm not sure of the energy properties of foam.

foam tends to build up static electricity. that could somehow mess things up.
you are not even supposed to use magnetic metals in the pyramid. or else they will prevent the pyramid from aligning with magnetic north or something.

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I'd like to toss some random thoughts in and see what the rest of you think, please excuse me if they are incoherent. :)

I somehow have a feeling (call it a hunch) that the geometry IS an issue and that the size DOES matter. Long story short, I read Lakhovsky's book Secret of Life fairly recently and concept of "oscillators everywhere" is still fresh in my mind so here's my deduction. The pyramid looks to me as an oscillator, forget the antennas and wires leading to, and including, the capacitor.

We have an open loop oscillator built from an inductor made from two metal plates (copper and aluminium) and a capacitor in the form of a dielectric between them. Because I said that the geometry is an issue, the oscillator will only work at peak efficiency when tuned to the right frequency matched by the inductance and capacitance of the circuit.

If we look at the Great Pyramid as an example, the builders could've made it any size, and in those proportions, but I think they chose THAT size for a reason - namely to match some (unseen) source of oscillation and resonate with it.

Yes, other sizes of the pyramid might work, but they would most likely match harmonics and not the fundamental oscillation, if/when the LC circuit is tuned to them, again meaning that not all dimensions will work but only proportionate few.

Now off on a tangent, the pyramid with an antenna on the top reminds of something that has been done elsewhere - in Radiestesia.

I remember long time ago testing designs of copper pyramids that had sort of an antenna (coiled copper wire, with a tip pointing upwards and the other end connected to the apex). IIRC, these pyramids have been known to control the "bad" energies and convert them to "good" ones. It is very simply to prove this using a pendulum and anyone can test this easily if you're into dowsing.

Further more, it did not even have to be a real pyramid - a mathematical pattern of numbers between 1 and 9 laid/etched on top of a square copper plate with an antenna as described above in the center would do the same job. Heck, even the same pattern on a piece of paper has some effect, but we are digressing here too far now...

Any thoughts?

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i wanted to bend 20 layers of rosin paper in half, to make 100 layers.
then cut a triangle out of those.
then put 2 layers of duct tape over that.

Not to be a flamer or anything...but that math just doesn't add up. 20 layers folded in half would give 40 layers....unless you folded it 5 times, but then you're not folding it in half. I don't really think you'd even be able to fold 20 layers of that stuff - all your cuts would be all screwy. Also be wary with duct tape - some of it is electrically conductive. You may be better off sticking with Jeanna's idea for packing tape.

On a side note: I hit the local hardware store today to see about some materials - they gave me such a blank, vapid and stupid stare when I asked for copper foil, or a thin sheet of copper. He seemed genuinely stumped, like he'd never even thought of the possibility... (they breed 'em dumb around here - I'm from elsewhere :P ) Also checked out acrylic plastic (took him a bit to figure that out too...after a minute he was like "oh! you mean plexiglass?" I so wanted to face-palm myself before smacking him upside the head.) The acrylic was LUDRICOUSLY expensive... over $60 for a 4 foot square, 1/4" thick. Disgusting... I'll have to shop elsewhere.

Too bad about the foam core - can anyone confirm that it has static issues, or other conductive properties? I did a quick google, but came up dry. I'll do a bit of shopping on the weekend to see if I can source some cheeper acrylic - clear stuff would be easier for presentations and such if this thing works as intended.

@ amigo - I'm not sure exactly why the egyptians built the pyramids the way they did...but there are multiple pyramids scattered around the globe that are different sizes and slightly different shapes. The ones in Giza are a bit different however - they are situated to TRUE NORTH, not magnetic north. They are also located in the dead center of the earth's landmass, neatly dividing the planet into quarters. Also, a little research into pyramid geometry gives results calculating to 1.6180...PHI.

Okay, I'm pooped, and I'm goin to bed - g'nite all, I'll be back tomorrow.

Nightwynd.

 

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