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Author Topic: this pyramid should produce electricity. (thomas trawoger's pyramid explaned.)  (Read 110159 times)

Offline nitinnun

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i'm talking about magnetic spin, which is similar to what atoms themselves generate.
the diamagnetic and the electron fields, of each atom in the universe.

the diamagnetic field IS clockwise spinning magnetism.
the elecron field IS counter-clockwise spinning magnetism.



when you mix these 2 magnetic spins together, they create a completed magnetic field.
a magnetic field, which can be turned into electricity.

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Offline amigo

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Les Brown's theory is that everything is magnetic (whatever that means to him) and so light, electricity, magnetism, etc. are all products/manifestations of the same Universal force. Something like when Leedskalnin's says there are tiny magnets inside each magnet bar for example, those tiny corpuscles really not being magnets at all but a more primordial force.

To use old terminology, I believe it to be an Odic force or Odic current, or simply Od, as named by Karl von Reichebach back in the 19th century. If you look at some of his writings here: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/odenergy.htm you will read that certain people (sensitives) could see force emanating from permanent magnets, a subtle force that is. Same with crystals by the way, just more powerful it seems, as crystals act as foci for Od.

In any case I lean to think that the same effect occurs in pyramids and other "sacred'" geometries, where this primordial force gets to express itself. And it's the very same thing everywhere else, just people give it different names or try to explain it with different means.

Offline nitinnun

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a magnetic field, causes electricity to form.
and electricity causes a magnetic field to form.


i think that a magnetic field could cause ALL forms of energy to manifest.
if you modulate it correctly.

and likely that all forms of energy, cause a magnetic field to manifest.
even heat, gravity, sound, and light.



that is why a strong enough magnetic field, will contain heat

or lightning.

or even inertia.


they have working fusion reactors, that retain extreme heat, with their magnetic fields.
just ask doctor octopus.



some suppressed devices, reasonably explain the old legends about magic and wizards !

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Offline Koen1

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a magnetic field, causes electricity to form.
and electricity causes a magnetic field to form.

Well more precisely, a change in the magnetic field intensity gives
rise to a brief flow ( aka "current") of electricity.
And a flow (or current) or electricity gives rise to a static magnetic field.

Static magnetic fields do not give rise to electrical current,
nor do static electric fields produce magnetic fields.


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i think that a magnetic field could cause ALL forms of energy to manifest.
if you modulate it correctly.
What do you mean by "all forms of energy"?
You mean all forms of energy that are considered unrelated to electromagnetism?
Can you give an example of such an unrelated energy form?
It seems to me that every form of energy we know is already known to be conveyed
via photons, as in the current model photons are the only particles that can actually
carry and transfer energy. Since we know that photons are a form of electromagnetic
radiation, it seems obvious that all forms of force and energy interaction must have
an electromagnetic component.
Doesn't it?
So what are you saying exactly? Or is this exactly what you're saying? ;)

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and likely that all forms of energy, cause a magnetic field to manifest.
even heat, gravity, sound, and light.
Well... that's partly what I was trying to say above, that brief electric flows
(or pulses or bursts or oscillations) only give rise to a magnetostatic field
when the flow is present. When the flow alternates the magnetic field does so
as well, and then we no longer have a simple static magnetic field but we've
then got waves. And yes, every electromagnetic wave always has both
an electric and a magnetic component. But neither are static electric or magnetic
fields, they're alternating and interwoven fluctuations of electric and magnetic fields
in motion through space.
I get the impession you're just saying that every electromagnetic waveform we know
(heat, light) has a magnetic component, and that's a well known fact.
That gravity has an electromagnetic component would seem plausible in the light
of the electrogravity and Townsend Brown research, although the exact relation
is still unclear and it might just be that electrogravity effects are "rough and brute-force"
methods of altering the local energy density of space, which would relativistically
speaking have an effect on space-time itself and very possibly on the curvature of
the local space-time region.

Sound, I thought was proven quite conclusively, is solely a pressure wave phenomenon
in the medium. If the medium contains many charged particles then specific sound
waves could indeed produce specific electromagnetic fluctuations.
But sound waves causing magnetostatic fields seems quite difficult...




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that is why a strong enough magnetic field, will contain heat
Really? Interesting. So you believe that we can create a strong magnetic
field in a vacuum chamber and if we stick a thermometer in there that does
not react directly to the magnetic field (so it's not magnetic, not inductive, not
conductive, etc), we will still measure high temperature?
Or do you think that would only work in an atmosphere?
... strange idea, that a static magnetic field would generate heat.

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or lightning.
Or lightning, indeed. ;)

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they have working fusion reactors, that retain extreme heat, with their magnetic fields.
Correction, "they" use the extremely strong magnetic fields to contain a constant circular flow
of highly charged and high temperature plasma. Not "heat". Plasma can be contained
using magnetic fields if the fields are stong enough and the plasma moves. It's a sort of
"magnetic bottle". The plasma is a collection of charged particles and the "containment ring"
is also partly a particle accellerator. It is not so simple as a simple static magnetic field
creating heat inside it. It is the huge amount of energy delivered by both the initial "pumping"
and laser-compression fusion that causes the plasma which contains and causes the heat,
and it is the moving plasma that is contained in a circular flow within the strong magnetic
containment "ring".
Quite abit more complex than just a static magnetic field that causes stuff to heat up.

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some suppressed devices, reasonably explain the old legends about magic and wizards !
Lol now there's an interesting remark :)
Can you name a few?

And quite a few non-suppressed devices would also seem to be magic to ancient people.
Just imagine how ancient Romans would have reacted to a Taser Gun or Tesla coil? ;D

Offline nitinnun

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koen1.

why is it that your brain can find so many words to type,
yet cannot make any of them constructive ?

are you aware that most of your words hold no research value what so ever?
or value of "any" kind ?



here i am, exploring the depths.
of mysteries unknown

there you are, attacking my air supply with a hatchet.
convicted to the doctrine of the mundane.



by the way, koen1
congradulations for being the first user to give me a negative karmic vote.
it was heavily symbolic of your normal activities.

to condemn others.

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Offline amigo

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FFS, you two are stuck in the later part of the 20th Century, the "dogmatic" years as I call them. :D

The last thing missing is someone mentioning Quantum Physics...and you'll be on your own from then on. :P

Why don't you just go ahead and read that link I posted about Reichenbach? It might be an eye opener into the qualitative experience (the world of subtle forces) giving you a totally different perspective on things around you.

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koen1.

why is it that your brain can find so many words to type,
yet cannot make any of them constructive ?
Probably for the same reason that you can also produce lots of text
without really saying anything solid.
Why is it that you can whine about me not posting things that you
deem constructive, but when I simply point out well known facts
that do not seem to accord with your statements, instead of
admitting that your stements do indeed not appear to accord
with those facts, you feel the need to act as if I am somehow
attacking you?
You could instead have shown how those facts are not
in conflict with your statements or at least have tried to
explain how they're not in your mind.
But you don't.
Why?

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are you aware that most of your words hold no research value what so ever?
or value of "any" kind ?
No, that's not true. Sure, there's little "research value", since I'm simply stating
empirically proven facts which have already been verified and they don't
really need much "research" anymore.
But then tell me, what "value" do your statements have when they are not
in accordance with empirically proven facts?
How is it that statements of yours that are in conflict with scientific fact
hold more value than my pointing out of those facts?


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here i am, exploring the depths.
of mysteries unknown
Are you now? I only see you post a lot of suggestive statements,
many of which appear not to accord with established knowledge.
Mysteries unknown? The relation between electricity and magnetism?
Hardly.
Sure, in the bigger picture our current models are not complete
untill we incorporate spacetime into our models to get a proper
multidimensional model which we can work with.
But the things I pointed out, the fact that a static magnetic field
itself does not induce any electron flow, nor does a static
electric field produce magnetism, those are known facts.
They may not fit into your mental model the way you like it,
that doesn't make them less true.


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there you are, attacking my air supply with a hatchet.
convicted to the doctrine of the mundane.
Ah, so that's it, is it?
Everything in established science is false, is that it?
I should convert to new age quasi scientific thought before
I am allowed to reply to your posts? lol

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by the way, koen1
congradulations for being the first user to give me a negative karmic vote.
A what?
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it was heavily symbolic of your normal activities.
Sure. You know nothing of me and deny known facts, so you must be right.

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to condemn others.
Lol :D Says the guy who just accused me of "not being constructive"
and "whose words hold nu research value".
That's not condemning people, I suppose?

You appear to have a double standard, in that you yourself are apparently
allowed to condemn people and to post unsupported or even false
statements, but when others do it they are evil?
That's not very new age of you. ;)

@Amigo: you do realise that Reichenbach and Quantum Physics are
two totally different sides of the coin? Reichenbach is in the corner
of Orgone, parapsychology, "Life Force", new age. QM is about
quantitative, exact, measurable and empirical physics.
I know many new age authors like imply there is an overlap
between the two, but there really isn't.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible for "subtle forces"
or as I like to put it "multidimensional quantumphysics" to produce
the effects seen in some "subtle force" experiments,
but I do think that it should be studied from the angle of empirical
experiment and quantumphysics, and not from the angle of para-
psychology, "feeling" and "seeing" the "subtle energy fields",
and certainly not by dismissing known facts. If we can come up
with a model that can properly explain and predict such "subtle
energy" effects, I believe it must be based on science and
not on loose new age interpretations of physics.

In any case, we are free people in a free forum who freely
exchange ideas, and everyone has a right to believe what
they believe. And everyone has a right to doubt his neighbours
beliefs. That's all fine. And fora exist to discuss these differences
of opinion, otherwise what's the point of a forum?


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Offline nitinnun

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your second post, was as meaningless as your first post.


why are you even here?
if you want to attack people who type things that you don't like,
than myspace has plenty of that.

Offline amigo

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@Amigo: you do realise that Reichenbach and Quantum Physics are
two totally different sides of the coin? Reichenbach is in the corner
of Orgone, parapsychology, "Life Force", new age. QM is about
quantitative, exact, measurable and empirical physics.
I know many new age authors like imply there is an overlap
between the two, but there really isn't.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's impossible for "subtle forces"
or as I like to put it "multidimensional quantumphysics" to produce
the effects seen in some "subtle force" experiments,
but I do think that it should be studied from the angle of empirical
experiment and quantumphysics, and not from the angle of para-
psychology, "feeling" and "seeing" the "subtle energy fields",
and certainly not by dismissing known facts. If we can come up
with a model that can properly explain and predict such "subtle
energy" effects, I believe it must be based on science and
not on loose new age interpretations of physics.

In any case, we are free people in a free forum who freely
exchange ideas, and everyone has a right to believe what
they believe. And everyone has a right to doubt his neighbours
beliefs. That's all fine. And fora exist to discuss these differences
of opinion, otherwise what's the point of a forum?

That was my exact point...that they were like day and night.

Reichenbach spent decades on his research, meticulously documenting every step of the way and ensuring a true scientific process is adhered to, which cannot be said for most scientists in the later part of 20th Century who are the preachers of the scientific dogma.

My sentence about Quantum Physics was that if one of you brings it into this conversation and starts tossing that bullshit around, I'm leaving this thread because Quantum mumbo-jumbo is the biggest steaming pile of shite, in my humble opinion of course, but I don't have to put up with it either. ;)

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Offline spiralout

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what's up with this thread? out of ideas? :) 


I went through the sketches that were posted here a few times and although i cant say that I fully understands the behavior of the energy inside the pyramid, it seems to me that the pyramid functions as a sort of "geometrical cloud" , building positive charge on the top and negative on the bottom. the only thing left for us to do is to find the most efficient way to collect those charges. now, i know that i'm stating the obvious here, but i thought i might as well remind u what this thread is all about... ;)   
one idea that kept coming up while I was contemplating the antenna issue, was to use a sphere as the peak antenna and as my search continued, i came across an impressive device (at least on paper) that seems to have been designed to be housed in a pyramid. this device by peter markovich is a ZPE converter by it's own accord, but I believe it could be greatly enhanced by the focusing qualities of the pyramid.

http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm

i'll be glad for constructive comments and will be posting when construction is on it's way.





 

Offline amigo

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The issue is incompatible energies.

Everyone wants to hook up a motor to a pyramid and power their washing machine. But the Nature provides "subtle" energies that all life works on, and motors are not alive - they are dead machines that heat and waste energy when connected to a source of compatible power.

If you want to get more insights into the pyramids, check out the work of Les Brown on the subject. Also for some quantitative portion (I know everyone loves to measure stuff) look up Pat Flanagan and his research into pyramid energy. Either will lead you to a conclusion of "subtle" energies which require a totally different paradigm to harness than what we presently use.

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Offline nitinnun

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i've shifted my focus.

i'm contemplating a frequency-excited wimhurst machine.
which is similar to the overunity torroid. minus a large number of the torroids flaws.


the 2 wheels will even be turned by electrostatic motors.
which run on lots of voltage, and little amperage.


if the electrostatic motors are efficient enough,
and the wimhrust wheels are light enough,
and the wimhurst output is great enough.....

than it will generate more electricity, than it takes to run.


and the superiority of my straw and zip tie wheel-supports,
will vastly help it happen !



once in awhile, i fondly remember my pyramid efforts.
its physics are VERY similar to hwo the pyramid works.
but i feel that the overunity wimhurst, is the more practical option.


i have idea's for many, many things.
i will run out of idea's last.

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hola Amigo,

thanks for your comments.

I've just recently started too look into the world of FE seriously and being a designer in my orientation, I'm  instinctivly being drawn to the concept of shape power.

now, I understand what you say about the incompatibility of the different energies but I humbly disagree. the way I see it, these subtle energies are the underlying principle for everything that exist. electricity, being a part of everything that exist, does not stand in contradiction to the subtle forces. it is simply a crude and more tangible derivative of these energies. the problem, from my point of view, are the means by which we currently produce electricity (or energy in general).  we are currently producing energy by means of brute force, heat and friction, but energy is a subtle force in principle and as such should be handled gently and elegantly. nature doesn't strain himself to produce the endless variety of energies that it manifests, it does it by the means of different shapes and materials for different tasks.

I know (not believe) that the solution for the riddle of FE is far more simple than we are willing to admit right now. as a collective, we developed a tendency towards complexity, and have been led to beLIEve
that more is better. that is, evidently, not the case but changing the mind of an entire planet is not something easily achieved. the first step for changing the current paradigm is for each of us to become more aligned with the natural order of things and more conductive to ideas, concepts and dreams. by doing so we would be able to create machines that are more aligned to the subtle forces around us.

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Nature provides "subtle" energies that all life works on, and motors are not alive - they are dead machines

I agree, motors are not alive, but they didn't just appear out of thin air, they were designed by people who were very much alive and because these people had the wrong or incomplete idea about how things function in our reality, the machines they were able to produce reflected these flaws. we cannot escape what we are.

I hope my next posts will be of more practical nature, as I will be soon starting to work on a pyramid project of my own but I'll be glad for any comments, it helps me to sharpen my ideas.
the pyramid that I'm thinking of building is based on the ideas posted here by nitinnun, ie. aluminum and copper on a wooden frame with the addition of an attempted replica of the markovich device as the means of harvesting the energy.


spiral, out.



 


 




   

Offline amigo

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Hi spiralout,

You are absolutely right on all points, I was just "lazy" to be elaborate, or exact, in my post because I did not know what level of response you were expecting.

And so I apologize for slacking it off...I should've known better :)

Question is will people shift to the old paradigm of alignment to the Nature?

So far all I can see is a status quo, still trying to go through the wall in other words. It is very difficult to find people who are truly willing to look at things from a different perspective, to abolish their belief system(s), or alter them accordingly with new facts absorbed.

I have been researching this subject for a while now, though have not engaged in any experiments outside my mind yet, mostly trying to work things out and put the pieces together (pieces that usually do not go together, or belong to the same field even) :)

I'll be interested to hear how your experiment goes, please keep us updated.


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hi y'all,

Amigo, thanks for responding, this is the first time i'm posting anything anywhere and your feedback was well appreciated.

I know i said I'll post when I'll have something more practical to report but the last couple of days I've been having quit a few ideas and insights of a more general nature and I would like to share them before they slip away.

the first idea is in regards to our surrounding  environment and the way we experience it. I was thinking about the concept of the standing wave when a thought hit me: what if the reality that we encounter on a daily basis, is one big standing wave? picture it this way, energy being emitted from the center of the earth in all directions is being confronted with energy that comes from space so they both collide and create a zone in which energy is motionless and can solidify to the endless variety of materials that compose our world. now, I have no idea if this is already common knowledge or I'm simply talking out of my ass, but it does help to explain why everything seems to be solid even thou it's composed of energy. It's like the "pressure" from the colliding energies is keeping everything in form.

another thing that came into mind has to do with the issue of: what the fuck is energy, anyway!? but before i lay down my version, a quick note about the current "scientific" definition of energy. i can only say it is one of the lamest things I have ever heard, is everything just about work in this world? work=slavery and as long as people hold on to this slave mentality, they will never be free to create free energy machines.
what I am offering is an approach that is somewhat naive. what if  we view this "energy" as a living entity? not just a force that animates life and can be used to preform different tasks, but something that is alive by itself and therefore has some characteristic of a living thing. let us assume, for the sake of the argument, that this is the case and energy has a kind of intelligence, a will maybe and even needs and desires.
you might be asking yourself ,"how the hell does that help us to understand energy?"  well, there are a few things that we know for a fact about energy and although very general they'll might be of help.
1.energy is omnipresent (I love this word... :)) meaning: it's in every place and every time.
2.energy is infinite, I'm not a 100% sure about that one, but from a human life span perspective, it certainly is.
3.energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed.
now, let us take this concept of energy as a living entity one step further and treat it as a person (just to make it easier for us to relate). what  would be the best way for us to understand this "person"? for me that would be trying to put myself in the position of that person and imagining what it would feel to be him.
so? what would you like to do if you were this entity that has all these amazing abilities? 9 to 5?  I seriously doubt it!
I cannot answer that for you, but for me it's pretty clear. if i was energy itself, i would be looking for the most creative ways to keep myself entertained! what else is there to do when you have no care in the universe?
well, if you're still reading this and you wonder where the hell am i going with this, then we're on the same boat, brother  :)  but, bare with me, this fantasy might just come out logical, who knows?
now, let us assume, for the sake of argument, that everything that I've just proposed, is true and we accept it as a fact. how does it help us to understand energy? well, there is another thing that we can say about energy, which is not a scientific fact, but i think we can all agree upon by merely looking at the world around us.  energy enjoys natural ,flowing and fractal shapes. you will never ever see a cube anywhere in the natural world and even spheres and triangles are rare, always being broken in some way. why? because perfect geometrical shapes are inhibitors of development, they do not allow for any escape route for the energy and are in fact closed systems. and if we agree (for the sake of yada, yada...) that energy is a living thing, I don't know of any living thing that wants to imprisoned.

so, where does all this fancy talking leaves us? the way I see it, accuracy, symmetry and rigid shape are essential when you're designing complicated machines with many moving parts that have to be timed precisely. but I have no doubt that in order to manipulate and channel energy into usable forms, we don't need a single ball bearing, shaft or piston. it's all about allowing the energy to flow in a way that suits its "needs".

it's 7:30 in the morning, I've been up all night writing this crap, hope you'll enjoy it.


spiral, out.   








 
 



   













 

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