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Author Topic: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?  (Read 5045 times)

fatso

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Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« on: July 15, 2008, 11:58:38 AM »
Ok, I've been touring the online videos, reading posts here, etc etc etc...

You people are damn smart!  Most of what you're talking about and doing just sails right over my head.
That, coupled with my extremely busy daily life, means that I just don't have the ability to experiment and tinker the way many of you seem to do (hats off to ALL of you!!!).

So I'm looking around the net for a system or plans I can just buy...but the "warning bells" are ringing in my ears and I'm concerned with making a bonehead sucker-buy decision.

I'm looking at the systems that allow you to turn your car into a hybrid.  I've found 2 candidates that "appear" to be valid.  If any of you have the time/interest, I would greatly appreciate any advice I can get on this before I go ahead with a purchase.

Here are the url's for the ones I'm looking at (I think they're the same thing, but one is half the cost of the other)....

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm

On a side-note, it occurs to me that this idea is great, but what about winters in Canada where the temp. goes WAY below freezing?  (ok, ok, I can hear the dog-sled jokes already...lol)
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tinu

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 12:35:02 PM »
Hi,

I suggest you ask for rigorous and verifiable proofs and testimonials on ?Your car will become at least 40% more fuel efficient and produce cleaner emissions.?
I have no special training in laws but just my common sense. Yet, according to my (poor) understanding if your car becomes 1% more fuel efficient (which I strongly doubt it will ever happen) and 39% cleaner emissions, it will still satisfy the statement. Besides, you?ll need special equipments to monitor emissions and prove it is not so... I suggest you also read very carefully the ?Full Money Back Guarantee? and let me know what?s your understanding about how and when (/if) you?ll see your money back.

On the other hand, it looks to me you are interested in cutting the crap and trying the setup no matter what. 150$ is not a fortune, after all. It?s quite expensive for a book/guide that I, like many others around, can probably write it from scratch in matter of 1-2weeks and I?d say they have guts to sell it for that money but hey, that?s just my view. If I?m right in my assumption and you want to try it anyway, please report back once you've made your own conclusion. There are several users around who clearly posted about the whole business alike being a huge scam from technical/scientifically perspective, being solely centered on mlm/affiliating systems and finally on human greed.

Cheers,
Tinu
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TinselKoala

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 01:09:25 PM »
Hi fatso
I just started investigating this subject so I have not yet come to any firm conclusions although I am inclined to agree with Tinu.
You might be interested in this short video and the two longer ones in the same location.
http://www.mediafire.com/?2ywmchlrjmj
Good luck, and please don't spend any money you can't afford to lose! Look at it like a wager with a moderate cost, a potentially high return, but a small probability of success.
--TK
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fatso

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 01:49:55 PM »
Thank you both for your input...very valuable info, and pretty much what I feared.
I most definitely agree with you on the "human greed" issue....it's disgusting.  However, I also see nothing wrong with people being compensated for their time/effort/ingenuity. ;)

I'm really confused though.  If actual output is so low, then that would mean that all other vids I've seen where people are showing their own systems are bogus.  I know there's a lot I'm missing here due to my ignorance on the subject, but it seems logical to me that both scenarios can't be true.

Truth be told, I don't even own a car.  I wanted this for friends/family, and in the hopes that I could adapt it to run a (currently) gas-powered generator, even if only a small home-made one.  The ideal scenario would be to be able to have a generator indoors, with soundproofing applied (already researched the soundproofing, and it's very do-able as well as fairly cost-effective)...but this is obviously not viable with anything gas-powered.

What do I do now?

If there are people here with know-how to design this and write it up, where is it?  Does it need to be purchased, and if so, please provide (as mentioned above) verifiable results and a price-list. If the only way I can get this happening is to pay, I'm more than happy to do so. :)
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TinselKoala

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 02:01:35 PM »
Quote from: fatso on July 15, 2008, 01:49:55 PM
Thank you both for your input...very valuable info, and pretty much what I feared.
I most definitely agree with you on the "human greed" issue....it's disgusting.

I'm really confused though.  If actual output is so low, then that would mean that all other vids I've seen where people are showing their own systems are bogus.  I know there's a lot I'm missing here due to my ignorance on the subject, but it seems logical to me that both scenarios can't be true.

Truth be told, I don't even own a car.  I wanted this for friends/family, and in the hopes that I could adapt it to run a (currently) gas-powered generator, even if only a small home-made one.

Where do I do now?

If there are people here with know-how to design this and write it up, where is it?  Does it need to be purchased, and if so, please provide (as mentioned above) verifiable results and a price-list. If the only way I can get this happening is to pay, so be it. :)

My results are only preliminary, so you can't really draw conclusions about other's outputs. The big flames you see from commercial torches are high-rate systems and/or using stored and compressed gas. High internal pressures may increase gas output, but are correspondingly more dangerous for the home tinkerer.

I think you probably need at least 10x my output rate, even to consider supplemental injection to improve efficiency (if that even works at all--data is mixed). And your cells and current sources correspondingly more complex.

Don't decide yet, but also don't rush out and buy a car.  ;D

(and thanks for watching my videos)
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Jokker

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 07:43:35 PM »
Heh ... smart ppl we may be, but u may want to know there are very few ppl who are in to it as science... U need to know electronics basics, thats all.

About time u don't want to spend, hmm. U will not spend ur time if u will just build electrolysis part what will produce oxygen and hydrogen from water due electricity from car battery or alternator.

If u really think that smart ppl are doing it then my suggestion is TO NOT BUILD electronic part what may increase efficiency just hook 2 wires to car batter and it will work like a charm. About sites u wisted... there are possibility to  buy "HHO cell" but u do not need to, coz it will be very much cheaper to buil 1 by u own. By this way u can tell u buddies friends that u did  it ur self (increased MPG- miles per gallon)

Good luck hehe  ;D
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HeairBear

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2008, 04:06:30 AM »
The links you listed are more or less extremely overpriced learning tools. There is a lot work involved when trying to improve gas mileage or efficiency for any energy consuming device. It would be nice if there were a true "Plug-N-Play" device for your vehicle or small motor but at the moment, there are none that I have found. You can bet, if there is a person or company that sells such a product, word of mouth will sell it like hot cakes. Don't be worried about wasting your time, once you get a taste of a tiny bit of success on any project, you will be hooked. You will learn things that no school or university can teach you no matter how much money you spend. A person doesn't have to be a scholar, scientist, or brainiac well trained in the arts to understand energy and the universe. It just takes some curiosity and a little effort.

Some projects can take a long time to complete and you will want to keep your brain and hands occupied in the mean time, so why not try some easy projects that have been well documented and replicated. Bedini's School Girl Motor/Charger, Stiffler's SEC circuits, Pantone's GEET device,  or even a Tesla coil, are very easy to build, cost under $50.00 for materials, and can be finished and ready to tweak in a weekend. Not only will you educate yourself in the arts, but, you will have something to show for your work. Then again, If your too busy to save money and expand your mind, then this is not for you.

I think I'll go dumb myself down and watch some TV. Have a good night!
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fatso

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2008, 11:28:35 AM »
Quote from: HeairBear on July 16, 2008, 04:06:30 AM
The links you listed are more or less extremely overpriced learning tools. There is a lot work involved when trying to improve gas mileage or efficiency for any energy consuming device. It would be nice if there were a true "Plug-N-Play" device for your vehicle or small motor but at the moment, there are none that I have found. You can bet, if there is a person or company that sells such a product, word of mouth will sell it like hot cakes. Don't be worried about wasting your time, once you get a taste of a tiny bit of success on any project, you will be hooked. You will learn things that no school or university can teach you no matter how much money you spend. A person doesn't have to be a scholar, scientist, or brainiac well trained in the arts to understand energy and the universe. It just takes some curiosity and a little effort.

Some projects can take a long time to complete and you will want to keep your brain and hands occupied in the mean time, so why not try some easy projects that have been well documented and replicated. Bedini's School Girl Motor/Charger, Stiffler's SEC circuits, Pantone's GEET device,  or even a Tesla coil, are very easy to build, cost under $50.00 for materials, and can be finished and ready to tweak in a weekend. Not only will you educate yourself in the arts, but, you will have something to show for your work. Then again, If your too busy to save money and expand your mind, then this is not for you.

I think I'll go dumb myself down and watch some TV. Have a good night!

Thanks for your advice.  I'm dropping the "buy it" idea after all the replies here, especially yours. :)
I see what you mean about trying it and being hooked.  I tried a tiny test last night with a glass spice jar, 2 screws and a 9 volt battery....pretty impressive for such a tiny wad of totally inadequate materials.
As for having no time, maybe I should have said "no energy"....you see, I run a home daycare, and the little monsters leave me absolutely exhausted by the end of the day.  I can honestly say that after many years of doing very physically-demanding "tradesman" jobs, NONE of them can compare to daycare for energy-level and stress. Due to this fact, I was as you say, looking for a plug-n-play solution.  "Walk a mile in my shoes", remember?
However, after last night's little demo....well, I'm very intrigued. :)
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stickittooil

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Re: Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 03:08:44 AM »
I too have a very busy schedule and only get to tinker with my experiments on the weekend and even then for only an hour or two. But I'm not giving up and I would say neither should you the benefits are out there you just have to hunt around. I started out with the "Water 4 Gas"
set up...built my own and it works ok but unless you plan on running a 6-pack of those cells you will see only a marginal improvement, I only ran 1 cell and got about 1mpg increase but they have alot of info in those books they are a good read.
Stick with it man the main thing is research..research..research. Like you said these guys are very smart and all very willing to share info and help out. We are all here for one common goal to gat out from under "the man's" thumb even if only a little.
Later,
S
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