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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2008, 08:30:34 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Ah Ha!  I think I have discovered Hubbard's Coil secret!  The Relay Oscillator!

Joseph Henry invented the electromechanical relay in 1835.  This technology was around when Hubbard was doing his early experimentation.

This is the wikckedpedia article about relays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay

I found this relay oscillator when searching for a way to drive my relay.
http://www.elektroda.pl/cir/index/Relay%20Circuits/LOW%20FREQUENCY%20RELAY%20OSCILLATOR.htm

I am still going to use my digital driver board to drive the Infinity Transformer.  But this relay oscillator may well have been the driver for the original Hubbard Coils...

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Re: Infinity Coil
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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2008, 09:16:43 PM »
@z.monkey
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Ah Ha!  I think I have discovered Hubbard's Coil secret!  The Relay Oscillator!
And it's about time ;D I was wondering when you were finally going to throw those infernal electronics in the garbage where they belong. You should notice that in the french patent posted in this thread the self-oscillating relay (K) is sending a high potential inductive discharge to the center coil----Not AC not DC ---- an inductive discharge current, and there is a very good reason why one would do this. Then when you are done with the relays which have issues you will find yourself looking for better alternatives, you need look no further that Tesla patent 568177 in which an inductive discharge is produced though a rotary commutator using the DC motor as the large self-inductance, this setup does not have the frequency limitations a relay does and can last years longer than any relay ever could. Keep up the good work your getting closer every day ;)
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« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2008, 09:30:09 PM »
Howdy AllCanadian,

Thanks for withholding that critical piece of information!  Ha ha!  This is the way development happens.  So you think that I shouldn't use the Digital Driver Board to drive the relay and go with a relay oscillator circuit only.  Well, that would make it a LOT cheaper.  Plus I don't have to worry about inductive spikes vaporizing my PIC.  I mainly live in a digital land and it is a hard thing for me to put down my sophisticated electronics and think in fundamental electrical land.  I managed to do it with the Infinity Coil, it is the driver circuit that got me all forked up.  The output side is relatively straight forward, rectify and filter the output to feed it back to the battery.

OK, then we will do it that way, relay Oscillator it is!  "Keep it simple, stupid."  I have been saying this to myself from the beginning.  Too bad I can't even listen to myself.  I'm gettin' all wiggly again...

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Re: Infinity Coil
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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2008, 10:23:19 PM »
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Thanks for withholding that critical piece of information!  Ha ha!
T.H. Moray once said "In fact, no one can prove anything to those who cannot prove the matter to themselves" these are very wise words to heed, I will help anyone but to give the answers away spoils the fun--- the process of discovery and understanding for ourselves is the best part of the journey we are all on.
As far as mechanical setups go I had to ask one simple question over a year ago---- If mechanical switching ensured a maximum efficiency and did not waste energy through heat generation and this lack of complexity thus waste led to free energy, then would the few dollars to replace a few commutator brushes annually be justified? I think we all know the answer to that question ;D
Im an electronics guy as well, but I have come to understand the benefits of simplicity and most important the maximum efficiency that can be attained.
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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #94 on: August 05, 2008, 10:43:46 PM »
Howdy AllCanadian,

I understand completely.  I work in R&D, the best part of my job is taking a theory and making it a product.  You find out what works and what doesn't.  I often think of this process as eliminating what doesn't work, which sometimes leads to spectacular failures.

Here is the plan for tonight.  I already have a nice relay from my Soft Particle Reactor that I can use for the Infinity Transformer.  I have to dig through the toy box to find some caps and resistors and then I am going to try this circuit.  This wiring setup will alternate the positive and negative onto the ends of the center primary coil of the Infinity Transformer.  I'm shooting for 60 Hertz, but may have to settle for less if the relay can't handle 60 Hertz.

This is where I was at a few months ago with the Free Energy Demon thread.  Gotta have some sparks to make Free Energy.

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #95 on: August 05, 2008, 11:12:11 PM »
Hi Z.Monkey,

IMHO, this old French patent really looks like the Hubbard device (and your replication):
FR739458 --- COUTIER - 1932                                             
Autog?n?rateur perp?tuel d'?nergie ?lectrique.
(Perpetual seft-generator of electrical energy)

I have corrected the scanned/'numerised" patent's text spelling (that I got from
http://ep.espacenet.com/numberSearch?locale=fr_ep) ;
put it on a .html file and had it translated by BabelFish.
I have not checked the whole translation.

It is on:  http://freenrg.info/Patents/FR739458_COUTIER/

Hope this help.

Best


jes its like hubbard
hubbard have connected his coils in serie  (higher viltages (and power)
this french guy in paralle to have more amps (and also power)

(its sayd here more power offcause the satellit coils,

(But hubbard have also used (possible) RADIUM in it.

So this guy her have also used that (but not say in the patent
(to hold this secretly) Without it seems inpossible)


Pese


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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2008, 04:07:28 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Well, I got the Relay Oscillator working but didn't like it wave symmetry.  It was short pulses with long delays in between.  So I fell back to the digital driver board driving the relay and the alternating positive and negative voltage on each end of the primary center coil.  It is ticking at 20 Hertz.  The AC Voltmeter was reading around 20 Volts, while there were spikes on the oscilloscope that reached up to 80 Volts.  I still have a current deficiency, probably a drained battery from all the experimenting.  I'll let the battery charge overnight and try again tomorrow.  The relay contacts were making brilliant blue/green sparks.  I tried to take a picture of them, but they were all blurry, too close.  Really tired right now.  Here is a picture of the new setup with the Digital Driver Board and the Relay...

Edit.  I noticed declining performance from the relay after a little more playing with it.  I took the relay apart and noticed that the contacts in the relay go so hot they melted the solder connecting the wires to the contacts.  The socket is melted where the conducting wires are.  This is a small SLAB and this relay is destroyed after playing with it for a little while, like an hour total.  Obviously this is not going to work.  I am going to need a commutator or a heavy duty relay.  Something that can handle a lot of current and the radiant kickback that I am getting.  Ulgh...

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2008, 04:27:22 PM »
@Z

I have a question for you. What I would like to know is when you had considered winding the coils, where in the Hubbard literature did you find that mentioned winding a primary coil over a secondary coil. That particular point was not really squared away solidly in my brain and am still thinking that such a winding is currently considered a best guess scenario.

What I mean is maybe there is no use of the secondary coils.

Consider that a standard transformer with a core works by one coil varying the saturation level of a core onto which another coil is wound. As long as the first coil is varying saturation, the second coil will receive the transfer. Pretty basic stuff right. Well what if the center core being much bigger mass and having a much bigger primary then the outer coils, well what if you simply hit this primary with a high voltage spike. Chances are this spike will generate enough magnetism in the center core to envelope the outer eight cores, who get some variable saturation and impart this to the outer coil windings.

Just thinking out load here.

Also, the size of these coils, the time it will take to build the impulse, saturate the core, transfer to other coil, etc., to me spells low to moderate pulsing frequency. You don't have to pulse this all that fast.

I am showing a photo of something I made last week. I needed a commutator so I took a 1/2 hp DC motor. I removed the rotor that has the commutator on it. I removed the coils and the armature plates to only be left with the bearing, shaft and commutator. I also removed the stator magnets (not shown). I then reassembled the motor and presto, I now have a nice commutator working with the original brushes.

The commutator has 16 terminals so I paired them two by two, connecting two terminals of one side to two terminals of the opposing side. Did this on two pair leaving me with two pairs empty. So I now have longer on and off times. I could also do it by switching only every second terminal but decided to try it this way first.

I connected this to a dc motor that was run by a battery. The commutator was positioned in a set-up used when doing the @allcanadian circuit. Turned on the system and within 2-3 seconds voltage was already at 600 volts, something my last set-up with a relay did but it took at least 2 minutes to get that high. The DC motor was also the source of high induction which is great for generating high voltage spikes. My next tests will be to use instead of one output transformer, use a series of smaller transformers and parallel the secondaries to see if I can lower the voltage and increase the output amperage.

So maybe such a simple commutator will be good for the Hubbard coil or for others looking to do some high grade pulsing.

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« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2008, 04:44:47 PM »
Howdy Wattsup,

The reason to put two windings on each core was purely experimental.  I wanted to have a low impedance winding and a high impedance winding on each core.  This gives me more flexibility in experimentation so I don't have unwind the core and put another kind of wire one it.  I figured the two windings could live together amicably.

I like the idea of using a DC motor commutator to pulse the Infinity Transformer.  Especially after melting my relay.  After watching the blue green sparks coming off the contacts of the relay I began thinking that I should be trying to harvest the radiant energy at that point.  Instead of using a cluster of coils, I only need one to develop a mondo electromagnetic field.  Apply the power with a relay so I get some nice sparks, then use some heavy duty steering diodes to harvest the radiant energy directly from the single inductor.  Imhotep helped spawn this idea in my mind with his Free Energy Radiant Oscillator Light.  My mind is racing with ideas.  I need to win the lottery so that I can devote full time to the Quest for Radiant Energy...

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« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2008, 04:54:31 PM »
All the pieces coming together NICE  Chet
PS  Z   amazing build!!
Wattsup  great idea!!

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« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2008, 07:20:22 PM »
@Z

Thanks for your explanation of your winding strategy which is very right and smart. At least we know this is all experimental.

What I will do is prepare for you a wiring diagram that if used will show the dynamics of these coils.

I need to know if you have these items.

1) Do you have any capacitors on hand. Please say yes.
2) Do you have another DPDT relay to replace your burnt out one?
3) Do you have a small magnet.
4) Do you have a compass. If yes, use it to identify where is the Earths north pole.
5) Do you have a variable DC power supply.
6) Do you have a 12 volt battery.
7) Do you have a volt meter.

While I make the diagram can you try one small thing. If yes........

You will need items 3, 5 and 7.

1) First you have to standardize the coil polarities. I suggest making the bolt head side north and the bold nut side south, so if all the coils, including the center coil are wound the same way just use dc voltage on any primary to identify the north and south with your compass and remember where the positive and negative go on the coils to always keep this configuration.
2) Now turn the Hubbard coil assembly so that the bolt head is facing north.
3) Place your compass beside any one of the 8 outer bolt heads. The north of the compass should be pointing away from the bolt head.
4) Now apply 1 volt dc to that coil. You can manual connect and release (pulse) the coil to see if the compass is moving.
5) Increase the voltage by 1 volt increments, pulsing if you have to until the compass north is now pointing to the bolt head.
6) How many volts are required to hold the compass north pointing to the bolt head. This is the outer coil voltage or OCV.
7) Do the same thing for the center coil primary and see what voltage is required. This is the inner coil voltage or ICV.

8) Now put your volt meter on the inner coil primary and manually pulse any OCV at its known voltage. Do you see the meter moving. Now put the volt meter on the inner coil secondary. Do you see a reading.

9) Now put your volt meter on the outer coil primary and manually pulse the ICV at the known voltage. Do you see the meter moving. Now put the volt meter on the outer coil secondary. Do you see a reading.

This information will be helpful in understanding the coil dynamics, meaning how much juice is required to get this device breathing and to acquaint yourself with the coils. Try and keep these results on paper for future reference.

What I am trying to  understand is the energy required to produce a field. If after 12 volts dc, you come back and say the compass never moved, this will tell us one thing and if you come back and say the compass turned to the bolt head with only 3 volts, this will tell us something else. If you manually pulsed the inner coil primary with 6 volts and are reading 6 volts on any outer coil primary or secondary, this will tell us more. lol

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« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2008, 07:56:35 PM »
@wattsup
Thanks for the diagnostic concept, I know this should be common sense
when building any coil circuit, but I never thought of it.
I usually just check the inductance of the coils and go from there.

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« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2008, 03:24:25 AM »
Howdy Wattsup,

Right off the top of my head I can tell you this core has really good magnetization.  The peripheral core flux flows in the opposite direction than the center core flux.  The flux field was very strong when I was pulsing the transformer last night.  I could feel the pulses like 5 inches away from the cores (bolt ends).  I hold a magnet in my fingers and feel around the core while it is pulsing.  When I get the magnet close to the core the pulses are very strong.  The configuration of cores that I am using makes a cylindrical magnetic field where the center core develops the main field and the return field is in the peripheral cores.

I will run the magnetization experiments, but not right at the moment.  I need to get away from this thing  for a couple of days to clear my thoughts and think about how I am going to pulse it next.

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« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2008, 11:40:51 AM »
Howdy Wattsup,

I noticed something when I was playing with the compass and the coil.  The bolts are partially magnetized.  This, I guess, was to be expected because the cores are low grade steel.  I have all the things on you list except a variable power supply.  I don't want to use line AC, I got a thing against the transmission line power distribution.  But I do have plenty of batteries.

I noticed that all the coils produce a good magnetic field even at 1.5 Volts (one D size battery).  I'm using the high impedance windings when testing with the compass.  When I am pulsing the center coil secondary (high impedance winding) at 12.4 volts the peripheral core secondary windings (high impedance windings) connected in series produces 5.1 volts AC.  So around 0.64 volts per peripheral core winding.  The interesting thing here is on the scope the induced voltages are very sharp spikes and not AC like sine waves.  This coil produces short duration high amplitude spikes when current is pulsed through it.  This might have something to do with the core construction,  relatively long solenoids.  A typical solenoid is an inch to an inch and a half long.  These are 8 inches long.

I keep going around and around about which is the input and which is the output.  Is the inner coil the input, and the peripheral coils the output?  Or visa versa?  If this thing really is a transformer it should be able to be used both ways.

OK, I got an idea,  I'll be back in a minute...

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« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2008, 12:16:07 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Sir!  Excuse me Sir!  Would you kindly step completely out of the box.  Sir! can you hear me?

He he, OK hooked up a DC Motor in series with the primary coil (low impedance coil) on the center core.  I hooked up the AC voltmeter in parallel with the primary coil.  I get a AC voltage of 0.185 V on the primary core and 0.940 V on the secondary winding.  This is what I expected because there is about a 1 to 5 ratio difference on the windings.  Most of the voltage drop is across the motor at this point.  On the peripheral cores I get 0.195 V on the secondary coils (high impedance coils) wired in series, and a negligible 0.036 V on the primary coils (low impedance coils) wound in series.  What I was attempting to do here was use the motor as the current switching device, which it is, but most of the voltage drop is across the motor.  But we can see, even though the voltages are small there is a transformer effect.

I still have a current deficiency.  As I continue to increase the current across the center core primary coil we will see the peripheral voltages get higher.  I am still not saturating the core with flux, not supplying enough current to do that yet.  The next logical step is to use a motorized commutator which is capable of switching current at a level which is able to saturate the core.  Then we will start to see what this thing is supposed to do...

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