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Offline Yucca

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2008, 12:26:48 PM »
Been following this thread from the start Z.Monkey. Very nice unit you've built there, hope it goes well for you. :)

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2008, 12:26:48 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2008, 11:35:18 PM »
@Z

Some very interesting things going on there. I forgot to mention that when you check the bolt head magnetism with the compass it may be necessary for you to find an aluminium sheet on which you can cut a hole to pass the bolt head through so as to try and block the field comming from the coil  winding itself. This is always the difficult thing to do because when you check the bolt head, is it the metal itself or the coil field that is influencing the compass movement.

But from what you are saying about the bolt material, I am not so surprised because those bolts did not look to me as though they are true iron. So at least you know what is the limitation in terms of core saturation. I do not think you can count on the cores to make this device work, and based on this, we do not know if it is even in th same league as the true Hubbard coil. This is always again the problem when we decide to build something before one can convene on a strategy.

Yes some will say, just build it, but again, the more points you take into consideration from the outset, the better prepared you are for testing and expected results.

So in essence, your Infinity coil is a semi-saturable cored multi-transformer.

I will prepare a few diagrams for you to try which I am sure will give you better results. These will be mostly based on the Tesla Ozone Patent, Erfinders Challenge circuit and also @allcanadians' small circuit. All these are designed to provide a good strong solid high voltage spike going into them primaries that would be configured either in parallel or in series but most likely a mix, with let's say 2 x four primaries in parallel then put in series, or 2 x four primaries in series starting at opposite sides then in parallel.

In all cases, I would put the 8 secondaries in parallel (never in series) and measure power transfer, then measure power off the center primary and secondary to compare.

Also, using the DC motor will not do the switching because most DC motor brushes are wider then the commutator sections, so there is always the next section that is already in contact. You would have to do like the photo I posted above of a modified commutator.

But you can do this with a dpdt relay for now just to see the effects. You will need a 12 volt battery, a dpdt relay, a nice 47mf (or so) 200 volts or more capacitor and the biggest regular transformer (use the secondary only) you may have. These coupled to the Infinity coil should give you the starting results you are looking for and the best point from which you can then play with the Infintiy coil wiring schemes. Just be carefull because I had some nice jolts when touching the wrong wires at the wrong time.

In general, if you look at the diagram located here and replace the 240vac transformer with the primaries of the Infinity coil, you should see some better results.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg77661.html#msg77661

You can use a large cap and diode on the secondary side to see how fast the voltage will rise.
This whole thread has good information.

All the best.

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2008, 01:35:52 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Yucca, thanks for the praise.

Wattsup, yeah, a LOT of factors to consider.

I have a 10 Amp relay that I can use to drive the coil without it overheating.  I'm going to stick with the relay driving the coil and the PIC board driving the relay for the current experiments.  When I go to an alternating commutator I want to build it myself, already have a plan, not the time.

There are some relatively cheap and quick modifications I want to do first.  I have the coils squished together.  I think this is hindering the return flux on the outside of the coils, in the air.  I am going to make new end plates to change the distance between the coils.  Then in the process I am going to change the peripheral coils wiring to be parallel.  This means adding another 16 terminals to the end plates.  I think that having the peripheral coils wound in series is causing wave contention, hindering the output.  With the peripheral coils in parallel the waves will be in phase.

There is another scenario I am considering.  This is testing driving the peripheral coils and using the center coil as the output.  A set of 4 relays controlled by the PIC board, each driving 2 opposite peripheral coils.  The coils would be energized in sequences around the device.  This would create the spinning flux effect that I have been looking for.  Another way to do this would be with a compound commutator which has a brush for each coil.  The timing for such a device could be set with a series of brushes around a distributing commutator which would function very much like a automotive distributor, except that it distributes current, not high voltage.  Both these scenarios are pretty expensive.

Blessed Be...

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2008, 01:35:52 PM »
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« Reply #108 on: August 23, 2008, 03:11:08 PM »
@Z

Before you make your changes, here is a very easy test you can do and I am sure you will learn alot about the infinity coil.

You need a 12 volt battery. Measure the voltage of the battery before you start.
A - Use any large regular step down transformer. The biggest one you have and use only the secondary.
B - Use non-polarized capacitor in the 47uf range - 200-400 volts.

Put the 8 primaries in series or if they are already in parallel, try it with parallel first.
Put the secondaries in parallel of if they are is series, try it with series first.

The Red and Black dot is the secondary output that you can put a diode and a high voltage capacitor of 1200v with the highest uf you can find.
Put your meter at M- and M+ to check the voltage rise.

Here's where the fun starts.
The two wire at C. Just manually touch them together and release and see what happens on the meter reading. You can do this faster or slower manually.

Then you can put the 8 coils in series or parallel and see the differences.
You can also try with different A and B. You can try with all or some of the 8 coils.
If you keep this set-up and just do some peripheral changes, this will teach you much more then changing the whole system.
If none of this gets your blood boiling, then the primary to secondary coupling action of the coils may need some tinkering, but don't do anything before.
If it does show some good action on the meter, you can then imagine the effect if the wires at C were pulsing off a relay or other method.
You can leave the center coil alone or use it in the variables as you wish.
The main point to learn something about this coil is to keep a base driving method the same and change peripherals to see the changes in the system. You will learn much more this way.

Sorry for the diagram quality it is more a block diagram. My circuit diagram skills stink.
By the way, this circuit is taken directly from @allcanadian's circuit. This and Erfinder's circuit is the simplest, yet the most effective driving method I have seen so far. You can also look at the Tesla Ozone Patent which is the base for all this.

Oh yeh, check the battery voltage once in a while. You may be surprised.

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #109 on: August 23, 2008, 08:41:31 PM »
z.monkey,

Have you considered driving your coil directly as a part of a oscillator? You can use your thin winding as a trigger coil
and your thick winding as a power coil. The attached circuit describes that. The bonus of such a solution is less loss
than an external driving circuit and also that you can charge a second battery from the back emf spikes. The resistor
value may need to be changed in your configuration. Higher value on the resistor gives you less base bias and less
power in the coil. If the transistor (of your choice) heats up then increase the resistor value. Another factor to consider
is that your coil will oscillate at the lowest loss possible. If your power coil has a very low resistance and inductance
then it may be needed to put more power transistors in parallel. Also use a big heat sink.

Just a thought.....

Regards,
Groundloop.

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Re: Infinity Coil
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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #110 on: August 24, 2008, 01:27:12 AM »
Z   you have to see this coil [user sirmikey] Chet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o 

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« Reply #111 on: August 24, 2008, 08:22:42 PM »
Z   you have to see this coil [user sirmikey] Chet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o 

So... we have a brass rod (a conductor) and a coil (another conductor) separated from each other by some heat shrink tubing (a dielectric).

Hmmm... two conductors with lots of surface area separated by a dielectric... <scratches chin>

Sounds like a capacitor to me!!!

This guy is drawing power from the mains through a capacitor (which must have considerable impedance at only 60 Hz) and powering some LED bulbs and he thinks he has free energy.

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« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2008, 09:25:12 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Wattsup, I will definitely try your circuit this week.  I have the time to play with my toys this week. Your circuit is feeding back the EMF to the battery through the high impedance winding of the power transformer.  Connecting the two wires discharges the cap into the Infinity Coil peripheral core primary windings generating a magnetic field.  disconnecting the wires allows the flyback to go into the battery through the high impedance winding of the power transformer.  Output power is provided from the Infinity Transformer peripheral core secondary windings connected in parallel attached to the steering diode and storage capacitor.  Soon were are going to have a whole science here.  I can imagine all the different configurations and possibilities.  Weird Ass Inductors 101, your instructor, a spiritual medium channeling the spirit of Nicola Tesla.

Groundloop, I used the primary coil of the Infinity Transformer as part of an oscillating circuit when I tried the solid state inverter circuit on page 2, post #71.  I agree the thing needs to oscillate, but we need a hard contact and not semiconductors.  Look at posts 92 through 95.  We also need sparks to appease the Free Energy Gods, they like sparks.  See the Free Energy Demon thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4429.0.html

A self oscillating circuit would be the cheapest and easiest to manufacture, and replicate.  But for experimental purposes I need more flexibility now.  So we are using the PIC driving the relay for now.  In the future having an elegant self-oscillating circuit (like yours) will be the way to go..

Ramset, interesting circuit.  I had often though that using a LC tank circuit you could extract power from the AC lines with out making the meter move.  I guess that is Free Energy.  I like the music too...

Techobear, even though the coil is utilizing line current doesn't mean it can't be tapping free energy.  Definitely a new and interesting capacitor.  The rod is inducing current flow in the coil generating a potential difference which is rectified by the bridge rectifier and then fed to the string of LEDs.  We would have to run the power in / power out test to see if it is tapping free energy or if it just parasitic power.

Blessed Be...

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2008, 03:56:11 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

NerzhDishual, Pese, Wattsup, take a look at this drawing.  This was sent to me by a friend in China (I think) and he said it was from a Russian website (www.skif.biz) which is in Russian, I can't read it.  But there is a google translator which he said that I could use to translate the site, working on that.

So this circuit looks to be a compound LC tank circuit which rectifies its AC output but not filter it and feeds the pulsed DC back into the primary coils on the peripheral cores.  I am not sure how you would start the circuit either, but it looks as though you could just give it a pulse of DC to start it, like the original thought I had when I started this thread.  The tank circuits would help to sustain the original charge and perhaps boost it to maintain the charge in the device.  The resonant LC Tank circuits keep the device in oscillation, then you can draw off excess current?  This is the first time I have seen this configuration.

Thanks for taking a look...

Blessed Be...

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Re: Infinity Coil
« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2008, 03:56:11 PM »
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« Reply #114 on: September 03, 2008, 04:01:22 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

OK, this is another circuit diagram from my friend in China which is apparently from an American Patent.  I have seen this before but I can't place which patent it was from.  Does anyone know off hand before I go manually search through all the relevant patents?  It kind of seems like the original Hubbard Patent, which I will check first...

OK, thanks again....

Blessed Be...

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« Reply #115 on: September 03, 2008, 04:08:41 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Looking at the Xabbard-Coil.jpg drawing, it seems that each independent LC circuit would need to be tuned independently to the same frequency.  You would need uniform coils and equal caps.  Then for the center coil and the isolation transformer you would need to custom fit the capacitance to match the uniform peripheral LC circuits.  By getting everything to resonate at exactly the same rate this circuit could be the self sustaining generator we have been looking for...

This is a picture of their build...

Blessed Be...

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« Reply #116 on: September 03, 2008, 08:00:38 PM »
Glad to see ya back and working on this!  ;)

Jason

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« Reply #117 on: September 03, 2008, 08:49:40 PM »
Howdy 4Tesla,

Yeah, I ran the gauntlet this summer.  I don't think I have ever worked so hard, ever.  My wife is a cruel slave driver.  So, do you have any opinions on this new information from the Russian free energy website?  I have it running around in my brain.  I am kind of scatterbrained because of all the different concepts for just this on transformer setup (Infinity Transformer).  No I not only need to learn German to read Victor Schauberger's books,  but I need to learn Russian to read their free energy website.  Uulgh...  The never ending learning curve....

Blessed Be...

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« Reply #118 on: September 03, 2008, 10:39:09 PM »
I still don't understand how this works, but looking at the site.  Here is a link to translate with Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skif.biz%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t

Click on the "Translate this page" link

Jason

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« Reply #119 on: September 08, 2008, 05:21:49 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Referencing the Xabbard-Coil.jpg drawing above notice that there are LC tank circuits on all the secondary (I think) windings that are only inductively coupled to the rest of the circuit.  I think this circuit is starting to resonate in my brain.  The LC tank circuits keep the device oscillating.  While the primary coils on all the cores are for interaction with the outside world.  The center coil (Zylinder in der mitte) is the output which is coupled through a isolation transformer to supply the output.  This output is also full wave rectified and is fed back to the primary coils on the peripheral cores (8 Zylinder auBen) which are wired in series.  The isolation transformer is an unknown, but it graphically has equal length coils so it would seem to be 1:1 winding ratio.

I am good at winding coils so that is no problem.  But we have few details here other than the schematic.  Assuming that we want all the tank circuit to resonate at the same frequency then we could calculate or measure the inductance of the coils, then extrapolate the value of the capacitor by solving the resonant frequency equation for C.  Then mix and match caps to get exactly the right value. 

I had always figured that the self sustaining electric generator would work like a tank circuit, but this is not what I had in mind.  The Xabbard-Coil.jpg schematic has 12 LC tank circuits in it.  So this circuit is pretty close to what I have already.  I'll need an isolation transformer to set it up.  I need to figure out the inductances on the coils that I already have wound, then get the appropriate capacitors.  So then I only need to wire it up.  I think that I am going to give this arrangement a try next.

Blessed Be...

 

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