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Author Topic: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08  (Read 110150 times)

Offline mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2008, 03:56:16 AM »
By stator the patent means not moving relative to the rotor (wheel 50).  Yes the drawing does not show a support structure, but the stator magnets are not rotating.

The latches I made were from brass strips super-glued (CA'd) to an aluminum tube.  Both came from a hobby shop.

Thanks for finally chiming in guys!

M.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2008, 03:58:52 AM »
Definitely a low speed design.  Torque scaling is by either increasing the wheel size or by putting multiple wheels on a common shaft or gearing them together.  It is completely scaleable.

M.

PS.  Thought this board was only full of nay-sayers up until now!

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2008, 04:03:28 AM »
By stator the patent means not moving relative to the rotor (wheel 50).  Yes the drawing does not show a support structure, but the stator magnets are not rotating.

The latches I made were from brass strips super-glued (CA'd) to an aluminum tube.  Both came from a hobby shop.

Thansk for finally chiming in guys!

M.

Just flexible brass strips? I see this running well at Low RPMs.. But I see it having some issues of centrifugal forces at high rpms.. Nice job so far.. Hopefully you or someone else will try to make a working model of this.

--edit your were writing your last post while I was writing this one..

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2008, 04:03:28 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2008, 04:13:09 AM »
I have been working with magnet motors for many years and while I admire your efforts at making the patent application, I honestly cannot see how your design is any different from the very basic magnet-assisted gravity wheel, which is an idea that has been around for a long time.
I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer, I am only saying that your design isn't so new.
In fact, a colleague of mine showed me one very like it, sometime before the year 2000.

Of course you have found a way to overcome frictional losses when the magnets are sliding in their tubes.

I should also say, get some sleep, man. Calm down. People have been working on this for literally hundreds of years, a few hours isn't going to make or break it. Get some sleep.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2008, 04:16:11 AM »
Hmm.. the more I look at it the more I like it.. Perhaps you can use magnetic and centrifugal force to control the latching to be used at high rpms?

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Offline mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2008, 04:17:31 AM »
The latch arms are not flexible.  They are pivoting around an axel.  Only the top arm will enter the tube.  It is positioned this way due to gravity.  When the mass switch is inverted gravity causes the other latch to enter the tube.  It works great on my simple builds, though I assume there are better engineering solutions for a full scale power turbine replacement (or home gernerator unit).

Centrifical force is not a problem because this is a low speed device.  Very much like a large wind tubine spins slowly. 

If you need to drive a high RPM devie like an AC generator you would attach the output shaft to a planetory or other gear set to spin up the RPMs just like in a big wind generator. 

I dont see the main gravity motor wheels spinning more than 33 RPM.

M.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2008, 04:19:05 AM »

Centrifical force is not a problem because this is a low speed device.  Very much like a large wind tubine spins slowly. 

If you need to drive a high RPM devie like an AC generator you would attach the output shaft to a planetory or other gear set to spin up the RPMs just like in a big wind generator. 

I dont see the main gravity motor wheels spinning more than 33 RPM.

M.

Oh definitely.. I concur and understand fully.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2008, 04:20:44 AM »
Shakmen,
Great illustration but one big problem:  There can be NO PULLING MAGNETS!  Magnets have magnitudes of power more force than gravity.  Gravity will never overcome the attractive force of a magnet that has attratively captured it's target.  This is the flaw of A. Quinn's and many other designs.

Please remove the attracting magnets.

M.

Hey mate, glad you're still kicking. I was worried your next post would be from hospital after your last few posts over on Archer's thread.

I am aware of said issues. Did you notice however that I turned them on an angle to reduce their affect? Wouldn't this combat this problem? I'm not claiming to know the answer to that, I'm just asking. I would have thought this would do the trick....

To answer my own question - you are right if it is running at low speed. I didn't think about the wind-up speed when the wheel is moving slowly. But if the wheel can be wound up to speed first or the magnets added in once the motor is turning full speed I imagine this would be okay...? This could help combat the problems with centrifugal forces that Rasta pointed out. Then you might be able to have a high speed motor  ;D I guess it will all come down to trial and error. I was expecting a delivery of some magnets yesterday but they never turned up  :( But I should be able to do some testing next week.

As for the naysayers.. don't worry they'll be here. They remind me of one of my favorite movie quotes (paraphrased slightly) "If you (start to) build it, they will come".  :-\

Anyway, it's the weekend here and I've spent far too much time on the PC already. PM me if you want me to send you an edited version - just list the changes you want to make (i.e. remove the pulling mags).

shakman

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2008, 04:22:20 AM »
Every hour lost is another hour that a child dies of disentary or some other disease because they did not have clean water.

Not trying to put anyone down.

We need to focus on this.

This is important.

Do you know anyone at a university or institution with the tools to begin modeling and making this happen?  If not, do you know anyone who does?  Are they asleep right now?


Wake them up.

Thanks again for getting on board.

M.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2008, 04:22:20 AM »
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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2008, 04:22:41 AM »
Shakmen,

Great illustration but one big problem:  There can be NO PULLING MAGNETS!  Magnets have magnitudes of power more force than gravity.  Gravity will never overcome the attractive force of a magnet that has attratively captured it's target.  This is the flaw of A. Quinn's and many other designs.

Please remove the attracting magnets.

And thank you for your assistance.

Australia is one of the places on my wife and mine's places to visit.  Hope to meet some day.

M.

Hey M!

Finally another engineer! Someone I can talk detailed concepts with and not have to cover the basics around every corner. Sorry I have not had the time to drop by. Been a lil busy elsewhere.

Anyways, I'd like to introduce myself. I am PurePower, and I will likely be your toughest critic. However, my criticisms are never meant to discourage, only point out errors so they may be addressed.

I felt it necessary to make this known from the start. AQ does not understand the concept of "constructive criticism" and continually let's emotion deter the discussion. If we can get past that, I think I may be helpful.

Unfortunatly, I am unable to view the files at this time. However, reading off other peoples posts, I think your problem (if any) will be the magnets. AB hammer gave a pretty good explanation. I have a post on AQs wheel that I will try to find later you may find valueable. I dont want to say too much on the issue as I have not read your personal description yet.

As far as trying to find a potential builder, I would ask "batman," "Newtonian god," or "clanzer." All three have very good shops and would probably help (especially clanz).

-PurePower

PS you might want to have a little "no mudslinging" policy so this doesnt turn into AQs thread. I see you are already catching grief for being greedy. My guess is they want to see you fail because you are educated and dont claim things they cant/dont understand are wrong. You might get the attention you are looking for if you rant about the powers that be and call everyone a moron...

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2008, 04:28:19 AM »
lol,, might not want to call people morons to get your point across.. I for one see a definite potential with your design.. No doubt in my mind that it will turn.  :)

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2008, 04:29:57 AM »
If you really need to get it built right away in order to get some sleep, why not run down to your local high school with a shop class? They are always looking for interesting projects, and from the drawing and the patent description it should be really easy to build. Most cities have a "hobbytown" chain store where you can get the magnets you need, and the materials are easy to come by.
I'd build it myself, but none of my motors ever seem to work.

Offline mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2008, 04:34:39 AM »
Shakman,

The up pulling magnets would stop the wheel dead.  If an up pulling magnet is close enough to atract another mangnet and pull it up it is already stronger than the gravety pulling that target magnet down.  Once the pulling magnet has it's target and starts to lift it (slightly more force than gravity) it with increase in force exponentialy as the two become closer.  So the pulling magnet will grasp and HOLD the other magnet with many times greater force than gravity.  THIS WAS THE FLAW IN A. QUINN'S CONCEPT AND MANY OTHERS.

My design relies on the "mass switch".  This is the basic concept.  The repulsive magnetic force is needed to move the mass "up the hill".  But only in one switch at a time.  The mechanical latch holds it "up the hill".  And we can add as many switches to the wheel as needed until the wheel imbalance overcomes the "wall" of the stator magnets. 

The mass swithc (as I call it), in any form (simeple, improved, or yet to be discovered) is the "missing link".

M.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2008, 04:34:49 AM »
Hey M!

Finally another engineer! Someone I can talk detailed concepts with and not have to cover the basics around every corner. Sorry I have not had the time to drop by. Been a lil busy elsewhere.
...
PS you might want to have a little "no mudslinging" policy so this doesnt turn into AQs thread. I see you are already catching grief for being greedy. My guess is they want to see you fail because you are educated and dont claim things they cant/dont understand are wrong. You might get the attention you are looking for if you rant about the powers that be and call everyone a moron...

Let ye who have not sinned throw the first stone.
Oops, too late PP. You've already come on hear to insult my intellect.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2008, 04:42:58 AM »
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Once the pulling magnet has it's target and starts to lift it (slightly more force than gravity) it with increase in force exponentialy as the two become closer.  So the pulling magnet will grasp and HOLD the other magnet with many times greater force than gravity. 
...
M.

Aha, that makes perfect sense now.
I'd still like to tinker with this concept to try to get it working fast thought ;)  Where are my magnets!?!?!  >:(
Here ya go. I've made the updates as requested.

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EDIT: Needs a bit of work with positioning at 12 and 6. PM me the rest of the changes and I'll sort it out by Monday at the latest.

 

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