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Author Topic: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08  (Read 151957 times)

mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2008, 01:46:30 PM »
I've posted pictures of my build from last Sunday.  Front view with 4 mass switches in place.  Close up of mass switch and latch.  Back view showing my bearing system and balancing weights.  No stator magnets yet.  I was holding the lower magnet in place by hand only to see if the switches worked, which they did.  But the side forces sometimes warp the wheel alowing the magnet in a switch to slide around the stator magnet instead of going right over the top.  That's why I say it is better to use a bar magnet here.

I received bar magnets and 24 1/2 dia x 1/2 tall n45s on Thursday.  Might play with them today, but I really need to mow my grass first.  I didn't do it last weekend because of this project and now it looks terrible.

Its called Gravity Motor Pictures in the Pictures category.

If someone could post a direct link that would be appreciated.

Thanks,

M.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2008, 03:43:02 PM »
Okay had a play with the MGW!

I must admit I expected the wall to be greater, but it is not that bad, still there but the design of simply pushing the Rotor magnet up on a loose brass rod cuts it down a lot.

Below is a video of me testing it against different Stator magnets.

I simply mounted a Ring magnet on a sliding brass rod as pictures below and mounted on a bike wheel that I was using for another test.

Next I will work out the latches and mount a top and bottom one to see what the effect is like.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/mgw1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/mgw2.jpg)

Right click and choose save on link below.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/CLaNZeRMGW1.wmv

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broli

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2008, 03:47:28 PM »
I think the important part is mass here. Making the whole wheel as heavy as possible so the magnetic wall is a negligible force.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2008, 03:50:40 PM »
If someone could post a direct link that would be appreciated.

Hi Mondrasek

I have upload the picturs to my server and placed below.

Nice build/rig you have there mate.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/Front.JPG)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/Back.JPG)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/Mass Switch2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/Mass Switch.JPG)


Cheers

Sean.


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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2008, 03:57:59 PM »
Would someone kindly upload Clanzer's video to YouTube or make a much smaller version of it. I'd love to see it, but I'm on a metered connection down here in NZ.

Thanks Clanzer, for all of your work throughout these projects. I've been a fan of yours since the whipmag days.

mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2008, 04:25:21 PM »
Clanzer,

That gave me chills.  Can't wait for the Missus to finish feeding the baby and put her down for a nap so she can see.

You can take it all the way from here.  Hopfully we wil share a beer some day soon.

Hopefully you will not loose as much sleep over this as I have this past 10 days.

M.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2008, 04:39:49 PM »
@mondrasek

 Good luck with your design. Once CLaNZeR  finishes with the wheel you will then see the problems that you must overcome. Of course I will let you know one of them. The distance travel will be a problem. I would first shorten it to about 1/2 the travel you are trying to get. Even a slower speed has CF problems and the shift time is very important.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2008, 04:54:32 PM »
Would someone kindly upload Clanzer's video to YouTube or make a much smaller version of it. I'd love to see it, but I'm on a metered connection down here in NZ.

There ya go mate

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tnB2tDVgzOs

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Sean.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2008, 05:12:08 PM »
Right after stacking and un-stacking magnets on the stator, I am happy that the strength is about right.

A short video below showing it lift when the Rotor magnet is at the top of the wheel.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/CLaNZeRMGW2.wmv

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/mgw3.jpg)

Off to make a few more sliders.

Struggling with the latch design though at the moment, must admit.


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Sean.

CLaNZeR

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2008, 05:15:24 PM »
You can take it all the way from here.  Hopfully we wil share a beer some day soon.
Hopefully you will not loose as much sleep over this as I have this past 10 days.

Na I won't loose sleep over it  ;D ;D

I should have enough Ring magnets to make 4 sliders and get the feel for it, then if it shows promising I will order some more.

Still struggling to see how these latches will work bi-directional, but will think it out as I lathe down the other brass rods, it may come to me.

Back later

Cheers

Sean.

TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2008, 06:12:27 PM »
Nice work CLaNZeR, I knew you would be the man to do it. Just one thing, though. If you fix the sliding magnet in position, any position but preferably the "firing "position, and compare the wheel's motion with a "calibrated push", does it swing more, or less, than it does with the magnet free to slide like in your video?
Because the energy to move the magnet must come from somewhere, and I think it comes from the rotation of the wheel. SO it is a loss mechanism, the only ( potential) gain mechanism in this design is the weight shift.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2008, 06:31:29 PM »
Just one thing, though. If you fix the sliding magnet in position, any position but preferably the "firing "position, and compare the wheel's motion with a "calibrated push", does it swing more, or less, than it does with the magnet free to slide like in your video?
Because the energy to move the magnet must come from somewhere, and I think it comes from the rotation of the wheel. SO it is a loss mechanism, the only ( potential) gain mechanism in this design is the weight shift.

Yep agree with you here and the only way to do that is to fine tune the Stator magnets so the wall is not too strong, yet gets the magnets to a good enough height that they will in-balance the wheel. Then hope that the momentum of the un-balanced wheel will have enough get through the wall.

As usual I try not to over analyse things or I would never build anything  ;D ;D ;D

We will see if she rocks or not as we go along.

Here is video3 showing two points firing at the same time. At the moment the wall is too strong and I need to reduce the strength of the stator stacks. One thing you will notice though that the faster you push through the higher the magnets will flick, so maybe a small force is needed on the stators and go for a higher RPM to do the flick as such.

Need to try get these latches done now.

Video3 download link below:

http://www.overunity.org.uk/MGW/CLaNZeRMGW3.wmv

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2008, 06:45:40 PM »
Clanzer, cant you make the latch the same as mondresek's design? just slot the wood behind the travel path and pin the latch from behind. You will need some stop pins on either side of the latch, but if you slot it you could then adjust it up and down as needed. Also, are you planning on making a fully working model? Just curious and thanks for taking an interest in this project as I have.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2008, 06:51:47 PM »
If the "wall" shows to be too much of a problem, would you consider firing the magnets with some sort of electromagnet/ microswitch setup? This would bring in external power source for testing but later could be generated by the wheel itself.

mondrasek

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2008, 06:59:22 PM »
Nice to see you in here dudeman750,  (He's been my best friend for 20 years or so.  Initially thought I was crazy when I told him I had solved the world's energy crisis)

Everyone understand that the "wall" force will not increase even if we double or triple the diameter of the set up so we can hang more weight on it? 

She'll run eventually if not on this diameter.

Dudeman750 just wants to skip ahead to the electromagnets that eliminate the wall altogether.