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Author Topic: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08  (Read 152750 times)

AB Hammer

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #345 on: July 24, 2008, 01:51:26 AM »
CLaNZeR

 I do all my first test without bearings, due to if they cant run without them, they won't be worth much with them. But your design has to have them doe to your mount. You can spray a little WD-40 into the bearings which will loosen them up quite a bit and then spin it fast to work out the click.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #346 on: July 24, 2008, 03:28:26 PM »
Well I won't show the mechanisms the worked it but I will show the wheel without.

Looks great !!
It already looks pretty unbalanced and as if its about to start turning.
Well the world will wait for the 'mechanisms'. You have already claimed that it works,  wonder what is holding you back. :)

Harvey

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #347 on: July 24, 2008, 08:54:57 PM »
Looks great !!
It already looks pretty unbalanced and as if its about to start turning.
Well the world will wait for the 'mechanisms'. You have already claimed that it works,  wonder what is holding you back. :)

 :D no, no, no this is not unbalanced. The leverage on the right of 3 arm & hammers is quickly balanced by the 5 on the left. This is a common balance arrangement with 8 actuators. Look back at my drawing, you will see there are 5 rollers in a lifting state and only 3 in a leverage state. Also notice the spacing between the rollers, and the spacing between AB's arm & hammers;  see the familar widening of the gap between the leveraged actuators? His wheel is designed to rotate clockwise and requires an energy transfer to flip the arm & hammer over the top, no doubt the mechanisms in question.

Here is some food for thought:
If centrifugal force pulls the actuators out during high speed turns then there is no need to push the actuators to the rim. Is there a way to push them into the center and hold them there for half the cycle? Can this be done absolutely perpendicular to the rotation so that no negative torque is applied to the rotation? How much energy is required to push one actuator electromagnetically? If the actuators are magnetic, can we extract that much energy from multiple actuators using pickup coils? Has this concept been tried before?

Cheers,

 8)

p.s. Amazing what can be accomplished with some disassembled gear pullers ;)

AB Hammer

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #348 on: July 24, 2008, 09:13:39 PM »
@Harvey

 You are very correct. To show this wheel as is shows no secrets at all, except the bearings for the mechanism. As is, it can not run and with the 1st mechanisms in place CF taught me a valuable lessen.  I have put this wheel in 7 new variation of mechanisms. Some stopped the CF cold, but the shift wouldn't happen either. On this model I have 3 new designs to try but I put them up for I have much better designs. But since it was one of two wheel being my first. I still would like to make it work if ever possible without changing it to much. LOL

AB Hammer

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #349 on: July 24, 2008, 09:35:53 PM »
@Harvey

 You are very correct. To show this wheel as is shows no secrets at all, except the bearings for the mechanism. As is, it can not run and with the 1st mechanisms in place CF taught me a valuable lessen.  I have put this wheel in 7 new variation of mechanisms. Some stopped the CF cold, but the shift wouldn't happen either. On this model I have 3 new designs to try but I put them up for I have much better designs. But since it was one of two wheel being my first. I still would like to make it work if ever possible without changing it to much. LOL

TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #350 on: July 26, 2008, 02:28:18 AM »
If anyone has a wheel that "almost works" better than the one I showed in the videos, please post a video of it, including the test procedure.
Thanks in advance.

By the way, in the "Roll On" thread, I have extended my offer of One Thousand American Dollars as a prize, no strings attached, to ANYBODY that can demonstrate to a scientist (degreed please!) of their own choosing and a representative of the local Skeptic's group, a self-running magnet or gravity (or combo) wheel by the 20th of September 2008.
The usually understood definitions of "self-running" and "demonstration" apply, of course.

ABHammer, let's see what you've got that's new. The design you showed in the picture is at least 12 centuries old.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #351 on: July 28, 2008, 09:16:15 PM »
Hey TK,

How about this concept, have you read of it anywhere?

Large wheel, say 4 feet on the bottom, small wheel, say 1.5 feet on the top. distance between the wheels, say 30 feet. A chain or belt connecting the two wheels and has an inner retainment system perhaps like the bottom of roller coasters to keep it from leaving the prescribed course.

Now we arrange AB Hammers around the chain. We can experiment with sliding the top wheel left or right to give the upside chain an incline and the downside chain a vertical or negative incline slope.

We run it up until the centrifugal force swings the hammers around the small wheel and they lock in the leverage position. The leverage on the oneside must outweigh the combined leverage and dead weight on the otherside(since centrifugal force will cause the hammers to swing out early at the top causing some negative torque).

The speed is engineered such that the top will centrifuge and the bottom will not.

Whattayathink?

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #352 on: July 28, 2008, 10:44:05 PM »
By the way, in the "Roll On" thread, I have extended my offer of One Thousand American Dollars as a prize, no strings attached, to ANYBODY that can demonstrate to a scientist (degreed please!) of their own choosing and a representative of the local Skeptic's group, a self-running magnet or gravity (or combo) wheel by the 20th of September 2008.
The usually understood definitions of "self-running" and "demonstration" apply, of course.

Only a $1,000 Tinsel?  ;D

4Tesla

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #353 on: July 29, 2008, 01:55:21 AM »
I like the magnet in the tube idea!!  I would make the tube the length of how far the magnet will repel so it won't be slamming into the end of the tube.  The wheel should work as long as magnets are only repelled and and not pulled.. If they are pulled you will get the wall effect.

I have attached a very rough graphic (not good with graphics yet) of how I would set it up. No latches.

Jason

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #354 on: July 30, 2008, 04:15:45 AM »
I like the magnet in the tube idea!!  I would make the tube the length of how far the magnet will repel so it won't be slamming into the end of the tube.  The wheel should work as long as magnets are only repelled and and not pulled.. If they are pulled you will get the wall effect.

I have attached a very rough graphic (not good with graphics yet) of how I would set it up. No latches.

Jason

I've always thought that in any configuration similar to this the magnets or weights (depending on what you're using) should be attached to the magnet/weight on the opposite side of the wheel. This way the opposing weights "help" each other stay in the correct position.

On the nearly impossible chance that you get some speed of rotation you will have trouble with this setup with centrifugal force. If the weights are attached, then the weight that is further from the center (the down side) will keep the other weight from flying out to the perimeter.

4Tesla

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #355 on: July 30, 2008, 06:10:59 AM »
You are correct.. but how would you connect the magnets in this type of setup..  this current setup would have to be low rpm to avoid the centrifugal force issue.

Jason

4Tesla

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #356 on: July 30, 2008, 06:17:43 AM »
Check out this thread.. it has a gravity wheel that you have described.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2326.msg115091.html#msg115091

Jason

Harvey

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #357 on: July 30, 2008, 10:06:02 PM »
I'd have to dig back through my email but as recall this was an airpowered test. Pressure was needed to initiate and sustain operation. Also, the frame was ripped apart and needed re-engineered. Hospitalization and a new project consumed his time.

Does any one know if there has been new developments?

4Tesla

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #358 on: July 30, 2008, 10:47:04 PM »
Talking about the thread I just posted.. no, he is now working on a hydrogen project.

Jason

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #359 on: August 01, 2008, 01:33:17 AM »
You are correct.. but how would you connect the magnets in this type of setup..  this current setup would have to be low rpm to avoid the centrifugal force issue.

Jason

Well in your design the magnets only need to be connected by a string or small wire because you're fighting a pulling force (centrifugal), not a pushing force.