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Author Topic: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08  (Read 114265 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2008, 09:30:32 PM »
Read the simanek link. Or build one that works. Or show a simulation that does.
In other words, put up or shut up.

"We don't have access to software that can do the physics involved with such a machine."

This statement is also inconsistent with the claim that one is a robotics engineer working for a major engineering firm. If such a firm doesn't have such software, who the heck does?

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2008, 09:30:32 PM »

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #106 on: July 12, 2008, 09:45:53 PM »
Tinselkoala,

Do you have to be so rude? You obviously don't understand what is being discussed here. And what does spelling have to do with anything.. this thread was started on a concept. Mondresek is NOT an EE and I myself only have associates degree in EE and many years since classes and theory. The wheel is powered only by gravity, the magnetism only a vehicle for moving the mass of the magnets around to create the out of balance wheel. We were discussing using em to drive the mass of the magnet up to create more efficient wheel, reduce the opposition from the driving magnets, and asking for expertise in design of such a circuit as not to detract from the efficiency of the final output of the wheel. Both Mondresek and I have access to many machine shops as the area we live in is quite the industrial hub of our country. However, he was hoping someone could model this on computer first rather than many hours tinkering with "real" models. We don't have access to software that can do the physics involved with such a machine. He was hoping someone we contact might. If you take a minute and actually look at the "out of balance wheel" that he is proposing, I implore you to tell us why it won't work. That is what we are waiting for.

In the first place, how many threads did mondrasek spam and interrupt with his "announcement"?
Second, I do in fact understand what is being discussed here, evidently much better than you do.
Third, many "wheels powered only by gravity" have been designed over the years, and if you look at the link I posted you will see some of them. How, then, is mondrasek's wheel fundamentally different from those, and how does he overcome the clear analysys of why they don't work, detailed on that link?
Fourth, a working model is the only thing that will convince anybody with any money. I can make a gravity wheel work in the "phun" simulator, for example, and there are other threads on this forum where other people have made gravity wheels work in simulators. It's no big deal, and it doesn't translate to reality. SO get thee to a machine shop.
Fifth, there are lots of circuits for extracting BEMF on this site and on others. It almost sounds like you are asking us to do your research for you.
Sixth, the software. I don't believe that you cannot access such software, because I can, and I don't work for a "major engineering firm."
Seventh, see the simanek page I linked, before your post here.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2008, 09:48:59 PM »
you know of any CAD software that takes into account mass, kinetic energy, gravity, and such? Maybe in some university somewhere but not in an engineering dept!

That link you provided was very interesting but it is based on the premise that the energy gained by the mass shift is nullified by the energy lost in the opposing mass shift. This design may overcome this, we will see. The simplicity of the design is what is exciting. If the mass on the heavy side of the wheel is great enough to overcome the magnetic or EM resistance of moving or "loading" the mass of the magnets into the "mass switch" then it should work, right?

By the way, Mondrasek has in fact been a mechanical engineer for as long as I have known him. He successfully modeled several innovative designs for his company as well. Don't belittle people because you think you know better man, its just mean.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2008, 09:48:59 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2008, 09:49:07 PM »
Please do not listen to TinselKoala. If you want to know why something works or doesn't learn it out of experience instead of reading it from the biggest skeptic around. You'll learn nothing from someone who doesn't believe in this stuff to begin with.

Please do not listen to Broli.  ;)  If you want to know why something works or doesn't learn it out of experience instead of reading it from the biggest believer around. You'll learn nothing from someone who only agrees with everything you say.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2008, 09:49:33 PM »
@ CLaNZeR
Latch suggestion. Use plastic from plastic container lid or other stiff but still flexible plastic. If plastic just catches edge of moving magnet it should hold it against gravity but the force of the moving magnet should be strong enough to push through it easily. No guarantees but it might work. Playing card could be used in place of plastic just to try it (but I suspect it will not hold up as well as plastic).


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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2008, 09:49:33 PM »
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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #110 on: July 12, 2008, 09:59:17 PM »
Please do not listen to Broli.  ;)  If you want to know why something works or doesn't learn it out of experience instead of reading it from the biggest believer around. You'll learn nothing from someone who only agrees with everything you say.

TinselKoala...what kind of idiotic post is that. Why are you tainting this thread with your smelly shit. If you can't contribute with anything constructive then fuck off with your museum of closed mindness.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #111 on: July 12, 2008, 10:03:31 PM »
you know of any CAD software that takes into account mass, kinetic energy, gravity, and such? Maybe in some university somewhere but not in an engineering dept!

That link you provided was very interesting but it is based on the premise that the energy gained by the mass shift is nullified by the energy lost in the opposing mass shift. This design may overcome this, we will see. The simplicity of the design is what is exciting. If the mass on the heavy side of the wheel is great enough to overcome the magnetic or EM resistance of moving or "loading" the mass of the magnets into the "mass switch" then it should work, right?

By the way, Mondrasek has in fact been a mechanical engineer for as long as I have known him. He successfully modeled several innovative designs for his company as well. Don't belittle people because you think you know better man, its just mean.

Google "phun" and have phun. It's pretty processor intensive and has only rudimentary physics but it will show you what is out there for free, and you can imagine what the professional packages can do. Yes, it models mass, KE, gravity, friction, air resistance, stickiness, spring constants and other stuff (but not, sadly, magnetics) , and it's just a toy. I think it will be possible to model mondrasek's wheel in phun, the weight-shift part anyway. Why don't you try it?

"That link you provided was very interesting but it is based on the premise that the energy gained by the mass shift is nullified by the energy lost in the opposing mass shift."
And all theories of working gravity wheels are based on the premise that it is not so nullified. So? Nobody's done it yet, and although Simanek doesn't stress them, there are sound physical principles why not. Like gravity being a conservative field, for instance. Like conservation of momentum, for another instance.

It's not unusual for people to make very basic errors when they try to work out of the field they are experienced in. But usually a bit of prior research minimizes the embarrassment. Everything, with the possible exception of the latches, in mondrasek's patent has been suggested and tried before, many times, and has never worked. Everything he has suggested as add-ons in this thread, has also been suggested before, and tried, without success. Are we to expect that the latches are the critical element that will save the world from the tyranny of oil, simply by adding them to an existing non-working design? Or should we expect that this endeavor, too, will be another one of those never-ending threads, like so many you see here, that start off with "I have found Free ENergy!" and wind up...just sort of trailing off....into nowhere....


EDIT to add: http://www.scribd.com/doc/259189/Orffyreus-wheel  This link is about the only gravity wheel in history that may have worked, and as you will see near the end, Besseler (Orffyreus) himself invented a magnet-assisted version, but knew that the magnets available at the time would not be strong enough. It is likely that his design's magnetic portion was similar to mondrasek's, although the gravity drive was probably different.


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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #111 on: July 12, 2008, 10:03:31 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #112 on: July 12, 2008, 10:05:05 PM »
TinselKoala...what kind of idiotic post is that. Why are you tainting this thread with your smelly shit. If you can't contribute with anything constructive then fuck off with your museum of closed mindness.

Sorry, I missed the part where you contributed anything constructive. At least I back up my statements with links.
You are just backed up, period.

Oops. I missed this constructive post from broli, sorry.
"Agreed but you'll need the right variables. So if it doesn't run it might be because of some variable not being in sync with the rest."

Really constructive. I'm sure that will save a lot of people a lot of time. Unlike my posts.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2008, 10:30:27 PM »
xee, it seems to me that your latch suggestion is a good one--it might be a low-loss way of implementing the latches, as it might return the energy required to go thru it, on the way out, by slapping the magnet in the 'butt' so to speak. There will still be losses of course, that will have to be made up from the rotational energy somehow.

(see there, I'm not a total nay-sayer.  ;)  )

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« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2008, 10:30:27 PM »
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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2008, 10:59:02 PM »
@All,

Even if Archer's current approach works by using lets say a 80% mag filled loop, it is going to be hard to pull any power off of the rotor because it would interupt the momentum that it is using to get thru the circle and the rolling unit would hang.

Mondrasek has a nice concept, but I think when it starts using larger masses it will have issues.

So please find below the drawing for a new combo concept, which would be good at moving large masses and maintaining it's position.

Notice the catch basis at the end of each run which will break the wall and catch and hold the mass roller until the angle changes enough for the ball to get pass the timing bump and run up the other side. The timing bump is used to stop the roller from starting at to low a speed. It may not be needed, just the last magnet being closer could do it.

Can anyone see any problems with this design?

Also, the roller balls should be in some kind track to keep them centered.

Please excuse the hand drawing, but just starting to learn Sketchup.

Regards, Larry

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2008, 11:06:14 PM »
At the moment the wall is too strong and I need to reduce the strength of the stator stacks. One thing you will notice though that the faster you push through the higher the magnets will flick, so maybe a small force is needed on the stators and go for a higher RPM to do the flick as such.

@CLaNZeR

Perhaps a spring attached to the flat side of the ring magnet to dampen the flick effect?  Or even consider oscillating the stator kind of like ZeroFossilFuel's OSPMM.

Awesome work, man!  You're definitely added to my list of heroes!

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #116 on: July 12, 2008, 11:15:29 PM »
LarryC

LOL it looks like a cooling fan. I don't see much hope for this one either.

@mondrasek and CLaNZeR

 I have already stated to shorten your distance of lift, so now make sure that the catch is of an easy movable catch and when upside down it releases. any hard movement with what you are doing will hurt.

Good luck.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2008, 11:30:01 PM »
I have already stated to shorten your distance of lift, so now make sure that the catch is of an easy movable catch and when upside down it releases. any hard movement with what you are doing will hurt.

@AB Hammer

Would this kind of latch work?

@xee

Sorry for absconding with your art, but it makes the point so well.

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2008, 11:34:27 PM »
Nothing ventured, nothing gained! Every worth wild idea/invention has faced unnecessary critisism and it appears from reading this thread that this one is no different. The world needs more people like you all who are working TOGETHER for the greater good. Best of luck to you!

Offline LarryC

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Re: Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2008, 11:37:58 PM »
LOL it looks like a cooling fan. I don't see much hope for this one either.


The following is what Archer posted about it, maybe he is seeing something that you're not.


Now this guy is a geneius, that will absolutely work, i urge everyone to look at the drawing, it would likely work with most mag train setups actually, not as easily as one that runs under instead of both sides. but with the new array that would work. Of that i have no doubt at all.

Go for it, you should be able to build heaps of machines using it. That what you need people, more of these.

Exceptionally well done.

Note.

I should note you will need to find a way to break the wall on a vertical climb. But the mecahnics are brilliant. I could fix it for you only takes about five mins for me to work that sort of stuff out. but I let others have a play for a while.

PS got it already

try thinking along the lines of shakmans idea and you will see what i mean, think how the rods work

 

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