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Park34

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #120 on: July 17, 2008, 01:08:44 AM »
Hi bruce,

nice to meet you, pardon my stupidity but the, i am using an inverter i am not using an inverter is confusing me, in your opinion is an inverter used?? and if so where is the hookup on your diagram, and from what i am understanding he used to attach a ground to the plug but the "newer" examples do not have such grounding, i realize your uses will be different just curious on your opinion

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #121 on: July 17, 2008, 04:25:16 AM »
Hi Park34,

Xboxhacker has the coil hookups correct on his last diagram on the last post of page 3.  Correct that is according to the .pdf.

If it were me trying to make this work, I would have the 12volt steady bias exactly where it is called for, and then use what was needed, to pulse the ignition coil with very high voltage on top of that bias.

One other interesting experiment would be to raise the low voltage bias from 12 volts to say 100 to 200 volts, and then fire the ignition coil using whoever's circuit, on top of that.

And then, just for the fun of it, I would put a pickup coil, one near this S1R coil and a second pick up coil near the plug, or put the plug in the center of an aircore toroidal winding and see what I can see.   ;) ;D

And then, if I were really want to feel the RE, I might even wrap another bias around the plug with the toroidal winding, with North facing up....hmmm...but that is just me of course.  I don't know better.  ;)

Cheers all,

Bruce

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #122 on: July 17, 2008, 05:10:18 AM »
@Bruce,  I am just curious , but isnt the "bare copper coil" with a nail in it going to be a dead short, and the HV will take the path of least resistance, and possibly not "follow" the path if the actual winding?

BTW..the image in page 3 is the same on page 1....

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #123 on: July 17, 2008, 06:11:58 AM »
Ok becomnig tired but doing research and have a few questions / ideas

Found my old lawnmower, cleaned the carb and got it running on gasoline


ok first off about the s1r guy

if you can run an engine on water why mess iwth wood gas which he states on the yahoo forumn

what is causing the air bubbles in the bottle they are holding, if it is the suction why not put a hole in the top, or by not ahving a hole is this providing enough fuel.

why just run a hose in the intake/carb, why not run it thorugh the float bowl, thus atomizing it and i would imagine it would burn better,

ok now onto the research i did

what i am finding he made is a step up transformer, what i am confused on is the fact the it would step up to voltage not the amperage, and what i have beenr eading from you guys you want more amps at the plug.

I cant figure out the point of the winings on the 12 volt wire around the HV coil, since there are more turns of the secondary than primary it would also boost the voltage to that line i would imagine, woulnt not having this coil make it so you dont need the lamp??

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #124 on: July 17, 2008, 06:25:51 AM »
Ok becomnig tired but doing research and have a few questions / ideas

Found my old lawnmower, cleaned the carb and got it running on gasoline


ok first off about the s1r guy

if you can run an engine on water why mess iwth wood gas which he states on the yahoo forumn

He says LOTS of things that don't add up

what is causing the air bubbles in the bottle they are holding, if it is the suction why not put a hole in the top, or by not ahving a hole is this providing enough fuel.

The bubbles are from the suction on the bottle. If you put a hole in the top the water would just pour out uncontrollably. What would be better is a needle valve inline with a hole in the bottle, so you can adjust the mixture
why just run a hose in the intake/carb, why not run it thorugh the float bowl, thus atomizing it and i would imagine it would burn better,

Could be that it needs a very rich mixture, basically flooding the engine.

ok now onto the research i did

what i am finding he made is a step up transformer, what i am confused on is the fact the it would step up to voltage not the amperage, and what i have beenr eading from you guys you want more amps at the plug.

I cant figure out the point of the winings on the 12 volt wire around the HV coil, since there are more turns of the secondary than primary it would also boost the voltage to that line i would imagine, woulnt not having this coil make it so you dont need the lamp??

Don't know much about electronics but the way he has the 12v side hooked up by the way he describes it it's basically a dead short to the battery, thus you need some kind of current limiting device. Personally I think this coil is pure BS but a design similar to that might work. Check out the other water for fuel thread, Ben posted an interesting piece on a 3 coil transformer on page 24.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #125 on: July 17, 2008, 06:30:07 AM »
Transformers consist of a core, the primary, and secondary coils.

The core is laminated and made of soft iron.

The transformer equation is:

Vprim = Nprim

Vsec    N sec

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #126 on: July 17, 2008, 06:59:41 AM »
I am confused as to why it would be a short, only the HV would be connected to the nail, the other ones have the coating on them, atleast thats how i read it and saw in the video

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #127 on: July 17, 2008, 07:04:27 AM »
I am confused as to why it would be a short, only the HV would be connected to the nail, the other ones have the coating on them, atleast thats how i read it and saw in the video


Look at the drawing again. Coils 2 and 3 are tied together. One side of coils 2 and 3 is hooked to 12v pos, the other side of coils 2 and 3 is hooked to 12 v neg, that would be a dead short without the light bulb.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #128 on: July 17, 2008, 07:07:38 AM »
Also if the main windings are touching the nail it's just going to flow thru the nail instead of thru the turns in the winding. Also, if the windings are touching seems to me it won't flow around the windings, instead it will flow straight thru, easiest path.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #129 on: July 17, 2008, 01:43:28 PM »
Quote
That will get you started.  Search user *Otto    50 turn test, and you can read to your heart's content.

Well I read the "beginning" of this thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2235.msg29058.
And if I look at this circuit, I have to say, in my opinion this is nothing else than a current transformer in a little bit strange configuration, as you connect both primary and secondary at one side. Sure a current transformer will give HV spikes if the resistance is high. Actually if you would not connect any load resistance, the voltage would spike very very high. This is also why in practise current transformers are always delivered with a short circuit clamp for safety.
Well as I said didn't read the whole, but can somone in short explain what is the difference between a current transformer and this setup? I don't wanna go too much offtopic, but as s1r used the same layout it's not too offtopic anyway.
What I can understand is, that most of the power measurements people are doing here don't really yield usable results, as it is extremely difficult to measure impulse circuits even with very expensive professional equipment. The best power meters are still the old ones (which work with a heating wire), as they don't fall short of the reactive current problem.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #130 on: July 17, 2008, 01:54:19 PM »
Also if the main windings are touching the nail it's just going to flow thru the nail instead of thru the turns in the winding. Also, if the windings are touching seems to me it won't flow around the windings, instead it will flow straight thru, easiest path.

Thats what i thought....  :D

I did try a coil setup with the main still insulated, it didnt work either.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2008, 04:48:03 PM »
so we all basically concluded that the diagrams pictures and video are all bs?? i have to agree on the path of least resistance thing and other debated questions,


just interested in everyones new opinion

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2008, 04:54:31 PM »
Hi all,

does that make sense if the LV 12V goes to the primary winding and the HV goes to the second and third winding ??? , maybe s1r made a mystake !!!

Max ;).

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2008, 05:27:56 PM »
working coil circuit, ferrite core
12:32 transformer ratio

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #134 on: July 17, 2008, 05:36:51 PM »
Hi Capacitor70,
many thanks for the last circuit.

But don?t you limit with the red coil the discharge current of the 330 uF cap ?

Also the current pulse is backtransfomed into the green coil and
thus steals energy there...

So is this circuit better than the diodes circuits ?

What is wrong with the diodes circuits ?