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Author Topic: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!  (Read 107842 times)

Offline capacitor70

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2008, 07:06:07 AM »
I don't know how S1r9 coil is connected or wound, Above details shows principle behind the coil....

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 07:15:36 AM »
The circuit shown can not be correct. If it was, there would have to be 4 wires coming out of the container and I can only see 3.

 One is from the coil, another from the inverter, and the last one going to the plug.

Offline bumfuzzled

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2008, 07:27:07 AM »
The circuit shown can not be correct. If it was, there would have to be 4 wires coming out of the container and I can only see 3.

 One is from the coil, another from the inverter, and the last one going to the plug.

Cap70's revision of the drawing would mean only 3 wires. What get's me is the inverter isn't hooked to the battery so how is he getting 12v to the coil???

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2008, 07:27:07 AM »
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Offline capacitor70

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2008, 07:59:39 AM »
Understand concept, Not drawings.... This help you much or wait for 3 more years to get it clear.....

The running model is I developed by understanding concepts behind it, not by looking to the drawings.....

s1r9a9m9 already given you a lot of details....whats more you can expect ?

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2008, 08:34:41 AM »
bumfuzzled,
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Cap70's revision of the drawing would mean only 3 wires.

 If that is true, where is the ground wire for the light bulb? Where is the bulb getting it's ground from if only 3 wires are being used?

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What get's me is the inverter isn't hooked to the battery so how is he getting 12v to the coil???

 From the motors power generating source.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2008, 08:34:41 AM »
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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2008, 09:18:18 AM »
Hey capacitor,hows it going?You make any more progress in you trials?Very impressive so far.

Offline Super God

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2008, 09:36:30 AM »
Thanks for the circuit diagram, cap70.  I understand it better now.  Before it didn't make any sense, but now it does.  Thanks again!  You sure are a BIG help!!

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
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Offline Shanti

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2008, 11:15:14 AM »
Well here are my thoughts about the circuit...  ;)

As I see it, this coil setup works pretty similar to the Stan Meyer coil, or the Tesla patent how to rectify without diodes, just with coils...

This is how I see it, what this circuit does:

* If nothing is running, then the LV is running the lightbulb and at the same time, is responsible that quite some current is running through the LV coil, which does generate a magnetic field...which should also drive the core (nail) into saturation...(this is the only reason why the lamp and lv running while no firing is needed)

* If now the HV is firing the core is already in saturation and therefore the Hv coil does not see a big inductance. Now it will let the HV through to the spark, maybe there will also be a little transformer action, due to the coils being quite close together, but as the core is saturated I personally think it should not be big...
(This is somewhat strange for I think some transfromer action could be better, so that the LV coil gets an even higher voltage than the HV part. This would surely protect the LV part completely. If this would be wanted, then the coils should be ontop of each other... Then it would be kinda a circuit like that here: http://www.myelectricengine.com/projects/mpdthruster/ignition/ignition.html)
Nevertheless. If we think, there's little transformer action , then the Tesla principle has to work. Mainly, that the HV surge does see the unsaturated side of the lv inductance and will have a great deal of problem to flow to the battery (high impedance), therefore will also protect the battery from the HV.

Like that the HV can build the spark.

* As soon as the HV is over, the LV current will continue to flow, as at the beginning. But as now there's still some arc left from the HV, the LV gets discharged through the plug instead of the lamp. Now without any amp limiting device (lamp).

* After some time, the LV will not be able to maintain the plasma and the resistance of the spark gap will again rise, so that now, all the LV is again discharging through the lamp...
(And we are back at the beginning...)

Ahh, I forgot the lamp coil...Well, maybe just another protection from the hv surge, but a little bit made in a strange way...

Well these are just my quick thoughts. Hasn't be to be correct in any sense...

Second thought:
In layman terms a coil action is described as: The coil always tries to keep the current flowing at the same level...
So in this view, if the coil was running at 5Amps and you suddenly raise one side to a HV. If this layman term would be still correct, then the coil would still have to output its 5Amps, but now on HV level...

But as I said, this is in layman's terms, and far from any known electric science.
(But sometimes a layman finds things, a pro doesn't...)

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I just watched s1r's first video again. I must be missing somthing. The inverter looks like it is hooked up. One leg to the base of the plug, the other goes into the can.

Aehmm, where's this video???
« Last Edit: July 09, 2008, 11:45:48 AM by Shanti »


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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
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Offline Shanti

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2008, 02:05:26 PM »
Thank you very much! I really like the way, water powered motors sound like... ;D

Again about the LV coil HV interaction. As I see it from a electronic side of it. The HV surge on the LV coil would try to stop the amp flow through the coil, so the coil would answer, as if it has been disconnected -> an inductive kickback (like the primary of an ignition coil). So it would also by itself generate a HV pulse by this inductive kickback, without any "transformer" interaction.
The only thing I think is strange, is the extremely low number of turns of the coils...
I could understand it, in the setup with the relay's, for the relays do have quite some turns, but 13 turns?

BTW: If this circuit really uses the Tesla way of protecting the LV side, then it would be essential for security to add a varistor on the battery side. Because if, due to any reason, the HV surge is not capable of discharging through the plug, it will go to the bat, although the impedance is big...(the impedance of the plug should always be much smaller than the lv coil...)

As I said before, these are just my thought. I don't tell anyone they are correct.
But maybe someone gets inspired by this. As I see it, it's best if everybody contributes his thoughts, so that we together can finally get to the solution...

Offline broli

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2008, 02:06:35 PM »
Really cool of him to show it. A lot of stuff has happened in a very short time soon enough we'll be all putting water in our engines :D.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
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Offline xbox hacker

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2008, 02:11:16 PM »
Quote from PDF.....
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The video showed the inverter hooked up, well it is and ant. As many noticed in the
first video. The wires to the inverter was mint to carry the 12 volts to the new coil
only. I didn?t notice it until it was mentioned about on the video, even raised a
question on my part as to how the engine started , then I found out. The battery
charger was supplying the power to the coil . Sorry to do that but it was necessary
because of a reason I will disclose latter

In vid 1 you can clearly see that the inverter is NOT connected to the battery! Their is no "it is and it aint"....IT AINT. Also how would the battery charger supply the coil with power with its not connected to the can either?

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2008, 03:34:11 PM »
Quote from PDF.....
In vid 1 you can clearly see that the inverter is NOT connected to the battery! Their is no "it is and it aint"....IT AINT. Also how would the battery charger supply the coil with power with its not connected to the can either?

Skeptic mode on  ;)
" First video. For the amount of time the engine was shown to run it can easily run on any GAS that was already in the carburetor. Xbox appears to be correct in the observation of how this could work in the first video without the battery hooked up and with only half the battery charger hooked up. Maybe it was not running on water but on gas still in the carburetor.
 Second video: Much better from a skeptic side. No Carburetor, at least that is the impression we get from him removing and throwing down the carburetor at the start of the video but with the camera angle you can not tell where the water tube is being inserted.  The water line does not appear to be inserted in the engine intake that the carburetor would bolt too. It appears to be inserted into the air intake on top of the engine so what keeps the water from just running out of the bottle. It does look good that there are bubbles in the bottle when the engine is running but this maybe why the engine does not stay running. Perhaps they should put a hole in the bottom of the bottle to let air in and the water flow out.
Skeptic mode off

 Observation.. These guys really need to bolt down the engine to a table. Maybe half hour to throw something together with even scrap lumber. What are we talking here.. maybe 10 bucks of lumber. For someone that just spend a good amount of money on a new engine to do this demonstration experiment you would think that trying to nicely present it on a video would be up there on the list. A cheap starter switch or starter relay would be a nice touch. With just those two improvements then only one person needs to run it and then that one person can do walk around video. A flywheel would also help keep the engine going as most small mower engines need some sort of mass to move like a mower blade or a large pulley. This engine is a bit bigger than most so it may not be as important. How are they avoiding the problem of two sparks for engine cycle ?
« Last Edit: July 09, 2008, 03:55:24 PM by hydrocontrol »

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2008, 03:51:27 PM »
H may not matter [the phantom spark ] with this system   was thinking a 4 stroke may not be negatively effected by this  it didn't appear to blow back through the intake  Chet

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2008, 04:10:57 PM »
hydrocontrol:

He didn't remove the carburetor. He removed the float bowl from the bottom of the carburetor.

The float bowl is filled with gas from the gas tank. It has a shutoff valve that stops the gas flow when the bowl is full.
With it removed there would not be enough gas residue to fire the engine over more than a couple of cycles.

The air intake for that particular carburetor is on top. He does appear to be putting the water line into the air intake.

 

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