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Author Topic: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!  (Read 145224 times)

xbox hacker

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #180 on: August 25, 2008, 02:53:45 AM »
Their has been some chatter at waterfuel1978 yahoo group about the ignition point as to the missing link to make the coil work ???

Here is a image to look at...

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #181 on: August 25, 2008, 09:53:40 AM »
Today I build DC to DC converter Its output voltage can be controlled from 100V to 600V, using TL494 and emergency lamp transformer, I am having problem to
run using 330uF 400V capacitor when I connect this it starts heating transformer and MOSFET (due to low rating of Xmer), it gives good plasma blast with 330uF at first time but after some time it burned transformer primary and TL494, Again I assembled all to see whats the problem keeping bulb in series with circuit to monitor current, and found that after first blast TL494 makes duty cycle to 90% because of this it dosen't work after first blast, But circuit is good for low value capacitor 10uF 400V.

Below circuit is nice just adjust capacitor and resistor to high frequency and make ferrite core transformer, only problem of this circuit is it is unregulated output voltage. No heating of mosfet and xmer. go with this circuit. for real application, I used this circuit on my bike for one day no problem at all. with plasma spark power boost is observed...


Capacitor70,

All is clear in this circuit except MOV RDN240/20. What's that ? I cannot find it. Are you using  replacement for this ?

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #182 on: August 25, 2008, 09:57:35 AM »
From the schematic I guess this RDN240 may be a bidirectional transient diode. Capacitor70, how is that diode rated ?

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #183 on: August 25, 2008, 01:42:47 PM »
MOV is metal oxide varistor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor). You can find it in a computer PSU. If you don't have one just leave it out.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #184 on: August 25, 2008, 01:43:46 PM »
MOV is metal oxide varistor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor). You can find it in a computer PSU. If you don't have one just leave it out.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2008, 05:09:01 PM »
hello!!! I'm new in the forum first time i post but have been reading it!!! my knowledge at electronics is rely basic nearly nothing... but i have good imagination ;D. i was wondering a different connection for the s1r transformer as in the schematic(http://C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Besucher\Desktop\S1r MegaTran 01.JPG) instead to connect the lamp wire at the ground connect it at the top of the spark plug so the hv from the coil fires the spark plug creating the bridge for 12v 6 amps or more depends of the limiter used,  ex 60w lamp so like that  hv+12v 6amp crossing the spark gap if the extra amps are the secret, maybe some one tried it already or maybe I'm talking pure bullshit :P any way tanks

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2008, 07:14:20 PM »
I have spent a lots of my time to replicate the S1R coil...

But, I'm always failed...

Try Plasma Water Spark Plug...

You'll love it!!  ;D


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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #187 on: June 19, 2016, 03:19:21 AM »
S1R9A9M9 theory to be tested

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« Reply #188 on: June 19, 2016, 04:03:37 AM »
openofficeorg.  to view notes.

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« Reply #189 on: July 02, 2023, 06:22:15 PM »
 This is more clarification for those still interested in the S1R9A9M9 mower engine conversion of water in carb as was done in 2008. Simple adjustable brass valve was not used for water line in that back yard test. The 2 people just squeezed the tubing for the amount of water flow to be allowed. The water upside down water bottle had loose cap so as air can bubble upward into bottle as the water flowed downward. LOW amount of water must be allowed to be pulled in by the vacuum of engine at carb top. (So engine not fowl the plug) The idling engine ran on electrolysis for hydrogen gas at spark plug in combustion chamber, aided by water vapor pressure same time. The EGR was not applied as per the previous car engines done, but was supposed to be added with adjustable valve. (Air compressed into water is is 78% Nitrogen aids engine efficiency) The 18HP Briggs engine normally used 4000 ohm resistive spark plug. It has LONG REACH threads that screws in to threaded hole. Nathren and 3 technicians in Georgia only found spark plug of 125 ohms - same threads. At that time they did not know about Champion spark plugs that can come apart. They could not make engine run on 5amps dc since 12-14 volts could not push current through a high value resistance. That's why circuit had added a triple S1R9A9M9 magnetic coils assembly that provided several uses the same time. (1) magnetic field over plug BARE WIRE of 5 turns + SPECIAL 21 turns extends spark time to late negative 38 degrees. (2) 5 amps DC average- Peak 10 amps DC current - same amps for field also as going through spark plug . (3) Timing change done different way since Briggs ignition coil Magnetron is not adjustable as on older car engines turning the distributor. (4) The use of Ohms law E = I X R says can't pass 5 amps through 125 ohms with about 14 volts. About 63 volts required that's not normally available. The wire for high voltage passing through the S1R coils was only bare copper wire. The insulated low voltage wire was SPECIAL wrapped over it. There was cross leakage inductance of higher voltage induced in the low side. This is how the current passed through the spark plug at higher pressure voltage. At that time they did not know to remove resistor from top of a long reach Champian plug and replace it with copper segment, and form a zero ohms plug, or RACING spark plug. Farther down the line, the two output wires go together to plug top. Thre is a magnetic fiel present at combustion chamber that aids the process. There is a "return ground" wire present so as low volts does not return through the casting of engine, as the high volts does. See in video the extention cord "Y" that connects as very long wire from under spark plug to side of plastic tub on side of engine. The separate return line was used on all car conversions with the 400w inverter box. Time in micro/milliseconds is saved by this method and less ohms resistance. Engine started on 12 battery, then battery removed. Engine ran on the under flywheel alternator and DC from diode(s) half wave or full wave DC. The quick positive engine demonstrations Videos 1+2, did not have ANY preventive safety measures as the 10KV was across the battery and dangerous for acid explosion only when battery connected to starter motor. After several non tech people got hurt by acid or burnt shorted wires, they changed the written data on web site so as a duplication wouldn't work . The 3rd video on back porch engine test did not have wire of 5 amps connected to spark plug. The other Youtube videos of "The Smack" testing same engine at Nathren's property also did not have 5 amps wire hooked to spark plug top, but to an alternate resistance load as fan motor. On the first running engine video you can see the 3 power wires coming down from the upper cowl into the plastic tub on side of engine. The heat of the 2008 summer, the heat of engine, had melted the spiral black electrical tape glue so as the heavy tub slides downward, exposing the upper power wires. The S1R coils are in the tub along with other parts such as required accessory spark gap . Nathren's, and tech friends invention was shown working , running on water, but he neglected to say it was self running from the 12 +1 MAGNETS under the spinning flywheel . (The Plus red cable from battery was removed.) That Briggs 18HP had "dual" alternators as originally for one side for 5A for riding mower AC headlights, and 4 A for battery charging. They can be put together for higher amps out, up to 16 amps Full Wave DC, idle speed. Web site shut down. Most of the tech data was on the car conversions using one relay of dual 1.5MH coils per cylinder using the 400W DC to 115vAC inverter source power with one diode output. The 15 relays they had were obsolete- non purchasable . That's why the S1R triple coils was the replacement and using 12v DC instead. There are several US Patents on superimposing 2 power sources together. I use a made up Power supply of ISOLATED secondary side from China 20Khz Inverter open board with voltage doubler , so as the 2 grounds do not interfere. You cannot use the common dc to dc step up voltage converters sold, as it uses 2 of same ground.- non isolated. My set up is about 38V DC , because you need protection from High V., and there are voltage drop losses in series, with resistors + series diode bank , leaving about 20 volts to spark plug for the in series current flow.
 

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« Reply #190 on: July 09, 2023, 11:01:48 PM »
I refer you to SEE AGAIN, the First 2 only, of the You tube videos of S1R9A9M9. The Briggs 18HP ran on water in carb for the back yard test, after several cars were converted in Georgia since 2005. My project was divided into 6 sections for duplication of Nathren's test. Now stage 5, I built 3 possible power supplies as having ISOLATED grounds. The final outcome of course, was water vapor pressure generated with minuscule amount of Hydrogen gas at late timing of 12HP Briggs engine. This was Nathren's and the 3 technicians invention that related to the successful auto conversions. Back at that time, unusual relays were used per cylinder that are not available. No parts list was issued because of that. The lawn mower engine had a substitute for the 400w Inverter box and set of relays, as a special hand wound triple wires magnetic coil. I assumed since the mower engine was also running, that a relay was also used, as it does fit into the plastic tub on side of the 18HP. There were no protections /safety items during that 2008 test. My circuit has 3 fuses, resistors, and diode bank of 10kv. Send me Email of your list of pertinent questions regarding those 2 videos , and I will explain. I spent very long time studying the web site, small notations, and videos to get it right. You could also look over my previous posts on water fuel sparks, as some of the answers are there. 

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« Reply #191 on: July 11, 2023, 05:13:24 PM »
The S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly had several purposes same time. The magnetic field of 10A peak, 5A average DC causes the required time extension of spark so as water has more contact with it. It was not a step up or step-down transformer. The ignition coil on Briggs mower is called a Magnetron as it has an embedded SS trigger switch. Mowers are negative spark with positive ground. That means the spark jumps upward from metal casting to center of plug. An autotransformer with 3 leads requires a ground wire for primary. The spark would never work, as it would bypass plug and go up the side wire. That means S1r coils is just a type of electromagnet only, with end wire hooked to the negative high volts at top of plug. No adjustment of Briggs timing. Therefore, since old car engine could have distributor turned for timing change, Nathren used coils for that purpose. The cars conversions had inductance about 1.5MHenry for high volts line that also contributed to extended timing. So as the Briggs 18HP had RELAY in the plastic tub on side of engine as it dimension-ally fits. The same amps for magnetic field over plug wire also goes THROUGH spark plug. Electrolysis at plug tip electrodes for small Hydrogen is supplemented with water vapor pressure to move piston. The inductors provide also a required magnetic field at plug tips. The cars conversion has 400W 110vAC inverter box and output diode 50% duty cycle on time, while the Briggs alternators AC output to DC with diode or bridge rectification are outputting Pulsing on + off DC power at 50% duty cycle or full wave Bridge DC which has more power. The Briggs engine DUAL ALTERNATORS at low cranking speed has no output. The 12v battery ran circuit until engine was at idle RPM so as alternator would run circuit. Then battery was removed. It has 5-14.5 A capability at idle. The ohms resistance of circuit was in series as about .7-ohm MH coil, and voltage drops of the diodes for the formula I = E / R reduces the 12v battery.  His car and mower engine conversions had 2-3 spark gaps in series. This kept the plugs firing, as not fouled with water. Do you understand all this?? The Champion plug comes apart so as resistor can be removed for zero ohms so as current can pass through spark plug. *****And there is a reason for the S1R coils having bare copper wire for the high volts cable section that bothered many other people over time. It has to do with GETTING cross - leakage inductance, so as there is a higher LOW volts to push the amps to plug, since plug was Champion YC12Yc 125 ohms, not zero ohms. They did not know it could come apart. The superimposed high volts over the 12v DC line allowed the higher push to get through the 125 ohms. Back to Ohms law E = I times R. Is the YouTube S1R9A9M9 Briggs water engine videos making more sense now?? The tech web site is shut down. The S1R coils copper insulated wiring came from chassis #16 gauge wiring of a riding lawn mower. Nathren's son used oscilloscope to get current reading peak of spark plug amps. Average current is about ½  peak amps as on a common hand meter. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.  Questions?

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #192 on: July 11, 2023, 07:00:52 PM »
Hi russwr,

I would like to do experiments on your system, can we work together?

Tom

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« Reply #193 on: July 24, 2023, 01:47:59 AM »
Today I tried to replicate small test as described in the tech literature of S1R9A9M9 from 2008. The web forum had page regarding a side leakage inductance of wire coil wrappings that would reduce current flow on meter in 60 turns, by inducing a reactance ohms in the low voltage line, from the high voltage line. (increasing ohms) I varied the insulated high volts wire to bare copper wire. I varied the end connections for polarity of the outer coil as matching turns direction. I used a steel bolt core inside plastic tube with the 2 types ignition wire and then the 60 turns insulated wire from car battery. I had added 7kv diodes in series to protect the battery from the 6kv ignition. When repeatedly pushing the ignition single firing button switch, the amp gauge value never changed with all different adjustments. I don't doubt there was a higher volts transfer from one side to the other, since other people who did the test, had held the 2 wires wires and got shocked before.This was assuming the triple coils assembly of 2008, on the mower engine running on water in carburetor, Nathren needed the higher volts due to the spark plug being 125 ohms and can't get 10 amps to go through with just car battery. The superimposed volts over 1000 would push the 10 amps through the spark plug. Because of these negative tests I did, , it is now still possible of the bare ignition wire used to insure proper spark plug firing with the added 10 amps current. They may not of known in 2008 that Champion plugs can have the resistor removed and replaced with copper segment. The larger Briggs engines require LONG REACH Threads type plugs while smaller ones are short reach and have readily available zero ohms spark plugs. He probably , back then, could only get Champion QC12YC as long reach 125ohm instead of 4000ohms regular plug. My current series circuit can have the same resistance values without having to change them to get unchanging 6 amps. All his previous car engines had ran on 6-7 amps. In the original message board article from 2008, 20 amps on meter was reduced to 12 amps to same resistance load when cross firing was done for an experiment The only difference was, I used separate resistor for load to ground, as was done in the original 60turns test, rather than firing the amps through spark plug- AS WAS DONE IN THE S1R9A9M9 2008 You tube videos of running self powered engine of Hydrogen gas and water vapor pressure. My query at this time is whether to use half wave DC or Full wave DC. Both earlier conversions, cars + Briggs 18HP,  had used half wave dc , as there is an off time 50% duty cycle, to make usage of the Back EMF from inductor inside relay greater than 100v.There are voltage drops in series from my beginning 38V DC so as about 20v is left for the spark plug. The 2008 videos had car battery 12v for starting, battery removed, then switched to alternator DC about 12-18v DC. He neglected to say it was self running . Most likely since all earlier car conversions had used certain dual coil relay sealed in vacuum per cylinder, that one was also used with the Brigg 18HP mower engine because it also fits inside the plastic deli tub on side of engine, and INDUCTORS ARE REQUIRED also . See videos again. The AI computer answered my question recently and gave a worked formula to get a back EMF of 100v from inductor with parallel diode to circuit output using 1.5MH inductor coil, 20volts, and 6 amps at fast discharge of 11 milliseconds. Inductor is also in High voltage line. This is ALSO as circuit published that was used in the car engine conversions based on speed of only INDUCTIVE TYPE ignition firing of spark plug. (The tiny electrodes of plugs may require much higher volts for common electrolysis  to get sufficient Hydrogen WITH the accompanied vapor pressure to push pistons.)

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« Reply #194 on: July 24, 2023, 02:48:23 PM »
 It was called "The 60 Turns Coil Test". I suspect now, that the analog with needle panel current meter would not register the fast ignition impulse as impressed on the adjacent wires. A small, open board type, China $35 battery operated with optional AC supply oscilloscope from E bay DSO 138 as "welded/ completed " ready to use, should be used with one ohm resistor on the GROUND side of the current line returning back to the power source. Ohms law says the volts read over resistor is the actual pulse current since I = E/ 1. The Georgia 3 technicians back about 2008 did have an old oscilloscope for use.The ignition pulse returns through engine casting for ground  and not interfering on the ground side back to the 2nd power source. There would be interference and possible damage,  if scope resistance probe was used on the same side as the high voltage .