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Bruce_TPU

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #105 on: July 15, 2008, 04:56:42 PM »
You the man bruce!  Apparently your smart enough to do all what you say you will, or you wouldnt have said it all  ;D.

Im looking forward to seeing the final "WORKING" product.

atlasman

Not me, but "We".  Working = HV transformer

Whether this will work for the needs here or not, I can not speculate.  Again, we are NOT going to be testing this with the ignition coil, plug setup, at all.  We are engrossed in another build.  Our needs just happen to overlap with the needs here, at this time.   So yes, we will do what we can to make this work.  ;)   

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #106 on: July 15, 2008, 11:11:53 PM »
I cant believe that he wasted time on making a video that shows him taking it apart!!!!! The effort could have been used in showing us EXACTLY how the winding directions go...and various other questions. What an assclown!!!! But for sake of argument i will study the video and try to get the directions right...i got nothing else better to do...i exploded my HV diode  ;D

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #107 on: July 15, 2008, 11:23:51 PM »
Pulseshaper ...

I wouldnt take the exact replication of this coil too serious.

You have a problem:

The pulse is too short - energy is consumed too fast - less
output.
So you have to build something which wides up the pulse.
This can be some inductive(coil) or capacitive thing (even mutual
capacity).
The ingredients are quite cheap, nail, wire, metal can.
There is no sharp go/nogo - there should be some experience
after few hours playing around.
I think the metal case/can casing adds a mutual capacity
which couples to the coils - and is of high importance.
The operation without the casing will be different.


rgds.

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #108 on: July 16, 2008, 02:27:16 AM »
I cant believe that he wasted time on making a video that shows him taking it apart!!!!! The effort could have been used in showing us EXACTLY how the winding directions go...and various other questions. What an assclown!!!! But for sake of argument i will study the video and try to get the directions right...i got nothing else better to do...i exploded my HV diode  ;D

Xbox

I think that people here  jump to conclusions  much to quickly      and  resort to name calling  much to often .
Could it  be that  Sr1  is doing the best he can ?

As  you  are  watching  the video  for  details about how the  coil is made .
Turn  up  the volume .
Watch  AND listen   as he  pulls on  the  ends  of the last coil .

gary

Bruce_TPU

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #109 on: July 16, 2008, 03:38:42 AM »
Hello all,

Based on the video and .pdf ALL of the "drawings" on page 1 of this thread are INCORRECT.  Might be why it doesn't work.  ;)

Hope that helps some.

Cheers all,

Bruce

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #110 on: July 16, 2008, 07:28:53 AM »
Plasma generation using coil NO DIODES....
Thanks Shanti....

Circuit is not much fast, but it can work fast with CDI ignition system and proper capacitor and transformer,
I am trying to reduce number of turns of coil to get much better results.....

See Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFupa63jY4M

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2008, 09:54:05 AM »
I am amazed every time I log on,very nice job capacitor70. :)

xbox hacker

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #112 on: July 16, 2008, 03:19:44 PM »
Hello all,

Based on the video and .pdf ALL of the "drawings" on page 1 of this thread are INCORRECT.  Might be why it doesn't work.  ;)

Hope that helps some.

Cheers all,

Bruce
can you enlighten us as to the proper setup?

Bruce_TPU

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #113 on: July 16, 2008, 03:35:47 PM »
can you enlighten us as to the proper setup?

For one thing, at 58 seconds in the video, you will notice that the lead of the coil that you all have labeled "third coil" in the drawings on page 1, is wound OVER it's own lead.  Or you could wind the coil and then feed one lead back THROUGH the coil.  This is what I referenced earlier about the "90 degree rule", or you can look up otto's old five turn experiment.  It is a GREAT way to increase voltage. 

So you can change the picture accordingly.  There might be more to change, I'm still looking... ;)

Wife is in surgery, so I will have some time to review some more.  The devil is ALWAYS in the little details. 

Hope that helps,

Bruce

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #114 on: July 16, 2008, 04:32:07 PM »
For one thing, at 58 seconds in the video, you will notice that the lead of the coil that you all have labeled "third coil" in the drawings on page 1, is wound OVER it's own lead.  Or you could wind the coil and then feed one lead back THROUGH the coil.  This is what I referenced earlier about the "90 degree rule", or you can look up otto's old five turn experiment.  It is a GREAT way to increase voltage. 

So you can change the picture accordingly.  There might be more to change, I'm still looking... ;)

Wife is in surgery, so I will have some time to review some more.  The devil is ALWAYS in the little details. 

Hope that helps,

Bruce

It has been updated!! Do you have a link for otto's stuff?

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Re: S1r PD coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2008, 05:18:21 PM »
If you run the coil vid backwards, you can see the coil being built. He prolly did it this way to shut up the naysayers, but it doesn't help, lol.... Nothing ever seems to ;)

I would agree with those here who believe this overly-vocal skepticism is premature, misplaced, and in rather poor taste; and S1R  is simply trying to get this done the best way he knows how. For those who don't agree with his methods: He probably doesn't care what you think... But do a better job on this project than he is; and chances are he would acknowledge it and switch to your superior method. Until then.....

Anyone else notice the nail is "Galvanized"? Should this not give a different result than a simple "iron" core of the same dimensions would?

Watching those two vids of the B&S popping over... Gives me chills every time i see them. It's like standing on the sidelines on a beach at Kittyhawk a hundred years ago.

Bruce_TPU

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2008, 05:43:19 PM »
It has been updated!! Do you have a link for otto's stuff?

I am looking on page 1, your reply #3, and the picture drawing still appears to be the same.

A post I typo'd earlier and said 5 turn test, it was 50 turn test:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg28062.html#msg28062

That will get you started.  Search user *Otto    50 turn test, and you can read to your heart's content. 

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2008, 07:15:44 PM »
Please explain lord of the rings :o.....

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #118 on: July 16, 2008, 09:12:03 PM »
I am looking on page 1, your reply #3, and the picture drawing still appears to be the same.

A post I typo'd earlier and said 5 turn test, it was 50 turn test:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg28062.html#msg28062

That will get you started.  Search user *Otto    50 turn test, and you can read to your heart's content. 

Cheers,

Bruce

Here it is again...you might need to hit refresh...or put a "?1" (without quotes) at the end of the address in the address bar in your browser, that will bring up the most recent page of the topic....

Any changes you want to make to the coil setup let me know and i will make them, and post to my site. The front page and now this one will have the latest image, as long as you  refresh the browser.

IMAGE:
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« Last Edit: July 16, 2008, 09:34:36 PM by xbox hacker »

Bruce_TPU

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Re: S1r PDF coil description and discussion !!!!
« Reply #119 on: July 17, 2008, 12:13:03 AM »
Hello all,

At 2:26 in the video, I count six (6) actual turns of what is labeled as "main coil".  I know the .pdf says five.

Excuse my poor artwork.  ;)

@ Capacitor 70

Lord of the Rings, and all such threads are about Steven Mark's TPU.  Toroidal power unit.  You would have to read up on it.  I am sorry but it would require far too much time too try to explain here.  Very LONG story! 

Cheers,

Bruce