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Author Topic: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched  (Read 66422 times)

Offline Mark69

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2008, 06:15:17 AM »
If it is a real challenge, the people should be putting the 5k into their ideas to win the money, not into your pocket or to fund the prize money.  If you are going to make a load of money from the winner, why charge everyone to enter?

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2008, 06:22:22 AM »
Howdy Y'all,

Only modern vehicles which have engine management computers use oxygen sensors.  If you pick out an older car which has a carburetor then you should be able to add the HHO system without worrying about the engine management computer, or the sensors involved with it.  Now you may have to alter the carburetor to get the mileage increase you are expecting by changing the jets and idle metering.  Are carburetor modifications allowed?  And, if they are, would you have to have some measure of performance to ensure that the vehicle is producing the same amount of power with the fuel economy improvement.  This is a complex situation.  You can make a fuel economy improvement with the sacrifice of power, but who wants that?  I want better fuel economy and be able to burn rubber as well.  Granted from what I know about HHO, physics, and race cars it is possible to produce a lot more power with a lot less fuel.  HHO can go a long way to accomplish that end.  There are a lot of people working toward this end and I am interested to see someone win this thing.  There are a number of improvements commonly applied to race cars that improve the efficiency dramatically, but they are not street legal, so you cannot modify the family grocery getter with them.  One of such improvements is to use nitrous oxide which separates the gasoline molecules and adds oxygen to the mix.  This produces a super efficient burn and dramatically improves the power produced.  However it is expensive and not street legal, therefore not cost effective to improve the fuel efficiency of the family grocery getter.

I'll get back to you with more ideas...

Blessed Be Brothers...

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2008, 06:27:15 AM »
xjet,

hahaha really very funny you are.

... you couldn't even pay for a decent website to have your 1 Million Dollar HHO challenge... you expect us to believe you...

heck, imo you're just one big A**HO**

maybe xjet=enki09=HOAX

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2008, 06:27:15 AM »
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Offline xjet

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2008, 06:32:47 AM »
If it is a real challenge, the people should be putting the 5k into their ideas to win the money, not into your pocket or to fund the prize money.  If you are going to make a load of money from the winner, why charge everyone to enter?
Because there are significant expenses involved in running such a challenge.

For a start, there is the cost of the vehicles (which may not be recoverable if they're damaged by the entrant's HHO systems and O2-sensor tampering), the cost of the university tests, the cost of the initial dealer-servicing, the cost of refueling for 6-months, etc, etc.

You might be interested to know that the Google Lunar X-Prize challenge has a $10,000 entry fee - are they tying to scam people too?

Stop coming up with excuses guys... who's going to stand behind their claims with some real action?


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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2008, 06:35:12 AM »
It is so funny to watch those who claim that this stuff works scurrying for cover when they're asked to put up some evidence.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2008, 06:35:12 AM »
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Offline ChileanOne

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2008, 06:55:19 AM »
This is so much like the JREF Million dollar price.

I'll tell you this: give me $50,000 and I will show you a winning HHO fuel economizer in 3 months.

Regards.


Offline utilitarian

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2008, 07:04:36 AM »
If it is a real challenge, the people should be putting the 5k into their ideas to win the money, not into your pocket or to fund the prize money.  If you are going to make a load of money from the winner, why charge everyone to enter?

Mark

I don't think the prize is going to be funded by the entrants.  No one is going to pay $5K unless they have the goods, and so the first person to have the goods will take the million.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2008, 07:04:36 AM »
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Offline nightlife

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2008, 07:17:52 AM »
xjet, I would like to know more about this challenge. If they are requiring the $5,000 to be paid up front, then they are the scam. No one in there right mind would do that.

 If trust funds were set up and attorneys were involved, then it may be ok.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2008, 07:30:00 AM »
list the stiptulations of this said  contest ....

i really have no intrest in a contest....

im sure it can b done

now go get er done  ;D

ist

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2008, 07:30:00 AM »
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Offline utilitarian

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2008, 09:16:37 AM »
I'm the guy who posted the HHO Scam video to YouTube (I'm sure most of you have already seen it).

This posting is just to let you know that I've organized a one million dollar prize for the first person who can use one of these HHO setups to consistently produce an improvement in fuel efficiency of 25% or more without causing engine damage.

The details are on the website referred to in the video.

It is now time for those who are making such bold claims to step up to the base and play ball!


Look, I don't believe the advertised HHO systems either, but you are going about your contest all wrong.

First, you do not qualify what type of HHO system can be used.  So you will probably lose your bet.  Now, an HHO-on-demand system, running off the alternator, will not win, but someone can win simply by having a tank of HHO on board to supplement the engine, essentially adding an additional fuel to the system at no cost to the engine.  Or, someone could have HHO-on-demand (essentially what is advertised by the hucksters), but use a separate battery for it, which is charged from the grid rather than by the alternator.  Either way, depending on how much additional hydrogen is fed into the engine, the car could indeed easily use 25% less gasoline.

Second, the prize money is not secured.  I quote your website: "And for those wondering where the one million dollars will come from... I have a number of investors who will be more than happy to front up with the prize-money if the threshold of 25% improvement in fuel efficiency can be achieved."  Sorry, but this is nonsense.  Either you have the money, or you do not have the money.  You cannot expect people to enter your contest unless you can show them you have the money.  Promises that your investor friends "will be more than happy" to come up with the money after someone wins is not good enough.  What if they change their minds?  For an example of how to better do this sort of thing, look at James Randi's prize.  Someone already mentioned that, and if you look, you will see how Randi already has the million secured by an independent consulting company.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2008, 01:24:29 PM »
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Those wishing to enter the challenge will have to pay a US$5,000 entry fee, which is obviously pocket-change compared to the $1m that is on offer and will cover the costs associated with running the challenge.




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Well,
I moved this thread into the scam area,
as this really seems to be a scam...

Why should you first pay 5000 US$ ?

Look at all the youtube videos e.g. from
Zero fossil fuel and others
who have modified their cars and get increased gas milage.

Normal ICE engines only have around 20 % efficiency.
When you can convert the efficiency to 40 % via an additional
HHO electrolyser, surely your milage will double.

You just convert your gasoline fuel more efficient.
Thus it is very easy to understand.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
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Offline alan

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2008, 01:53:25 PM »
I don't think this is a scam, but a pursuit for solid proof no matter the costs.
I do believe the claims are real and the prize is real, even though the money isn't there yet.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO SCAM Challenge is launched
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2008, 02:23:05 PM »
First you don't need 5k to test the vehicle, before going into this process they are much simpler test to do such
as run the car with only 3L of gaz, get the distance without using the booster.

Then run the same test again with a booster, if without it you are doing 50km for example, if you go more then 62km with it you have a winner to check more deeply.

Also if you test the unit on your vehicle, why just not use an old vehicle you can pay 1000$ or less, old enough without O2, that will simplify the test... But even that they are some change needed, by adding an HHO unit, you can also decrease the throttle speed because you need less gaz btw.

Anyway why I say its scam, no proof, no site, no instructions, no backup from real peoples (just your word), its just about your trust, since I trust nobody without real proof its going nowhere.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO SCAM Challenge is launched
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2008, 11:12:25 PM »
First you don't need 5k to test the vehicle, before going into this process they are much simpler test to do such
as run the car with only 3L of gaz, get the distance without using the booster.
Have you not read how the challenge is to be run???

The vehicles will be monitored for SIX months, during which time they will undergo SEVEN lab-tests for fuel-consumption to establish whether the savings are sustained and at the end of that period the engines will be stripped and examined for damage that could result in premature failure (such as an over-lean condition causing piston/valve damage).

Your suggested tests are extremely simplistic and mean that someone could come along, tweak the ECU to produce the leanest possible mixture and show a significant improvement in fuel-efficiency -- at the cost of engine reliability and longevity.

A fuel-saving system that saves you $500 in fuel but costs you $1,500 in engine repairs is not a practical system.

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Also if you test the unit on your vehicle, why just not use an old vehicle you can pay 1000$ or less, old enough without O2, that will simplify the test... But even that they are some change needed, by adding an HHO unit, you can also decrease the throttle speed because you need less gaz btw.
Because, to be fair to all entrants, it's important that the vehicles are of identical, make, model, mileage and age.  This means a relatively new, low mileage vehicle is the only way to ensure that everyone starts out on a level playing field.  If the cars were hi-mileage there's a real chance that some entering the challenge would say that *their* vehicle was faulty or had some unseen problem right from the start.

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Anyway why I say its scam, no proof, no site, no instructions, no backup from real peoples (just your word), its just about your trust, since I trust nobody without real proof its going nowhere.
You mean like those "Run Your Car On Water" sites on the internet?

You mean like all those over-unity scams that show nothing more than YouTube videos and a whole lot of faux-science on website somewhere yet, despite the fact that they should be changing the world in which we live, aren't actually in production?

Let's face it, if one of the challengers *can* come up with a simple, practical system that provides a 25%+ fuel saving without compromising emissions or engine-life then it is worth a whole lot more than $1m to car-makers.  And don't roll out that old BS about the car companies being in league with the oil companies to suppress this information.

If the challenge is won, the world-wide publicity will ensure that such a conspiracy could never survive because the public would demand that it be fitted as standard equipment in all new vehicles.

I would have thought that if there was anywhere that such a challenge would be embraced by people with open minds it would be on a site like this - but I guess I was wrong.

The very fact that the challenge itself has been labeled a scam and moved to the scam area of the forums indicates that there are perhaps the only people who don't want the truth about whether this technology works or not revealed are those who know it doesn't work.

I have to say I'm more than a little disappointed -- but not surprised.

However, as I suspected, the challenge will only interest those who actually believe this HHO technology really works.  Those who know it doesn't will go out of their way to try and discredit it.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2008, 11:47:24 PM »
Since its cost 5k, 99.9999999% will not even able to participate you eliminate all the peoples that just have no money to participate.

Yes they are some Cell that claim false result, I am aware of that. I don't really care about them because I ignore them. All need to do some research before buying there, its more simple to do it anyway and cost much much less.

On my last vehicle, that was a jeep v8, i was getting 15L/100km at the begining, I changed a lot of stuffs without even adding the HHO cell and at the end I was getting 10L/100km. So its quite easy to make better mileage anyway I have done it, so anybody can do it.

I think anyway that HHO cell is not really the way to go, better to convert your car with electricity (EV) or use water as fuel like the new thread on this forum is all about without any HHO cell.

 

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