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Author Topic: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched  (Read 68936 times)

Offline retrodynamic

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2008, 08:40:59 PM »

Realy the Challenge go for more than a $1000.000
Is going to breake a paradigm.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #106 on: July 06, 2008, 09:31:58 PM »
Water for fuel would be perfect for the $5000.00 DIY cruise missile! Now, if you do find a poor soul to take the challenge and win, you will have something much more powerful and it only cost a million dollars. Bruce says he made it to show that it can be done easily and cheaply by any one wanting to kill people from afar. The problem is the fuel to get it where you want it to go. Now I see why some peoples wish to stop him.

If Stanley Meyer was a fraud/scam, why did the Pentagon keep him from leaking out the information to a water fueled rocket? Why was NASA also interested? Why was anybody interested if he didn't have an actual working device to demonstrate several times in several places? How does a US court ruling scientifically prove he was a fraud?

Have you watched s1r9a9m9's videos 1 & 2? http://www.youtube.com/user/s1r9a9m9  Would this not win the challenge if the requirements were met?

Offline retrodynamic

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #107 on: July 06, 2008, 09:40:33 PM »

And a a easy coment, you can take some water from the humedity in the atsmosfera to.  ;)

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #107 on: July 06, 2008, 09:40:33 PM »
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Offline xjet

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2008, 12:04:57 AM »
Water for fuel would be perfect for the $5000.00 DIY cruise missile! Now, if you do find a poor soul to take the challenge and win, you will have something much more powerful and it only cost a million dollars. Bruce says he made it to show that it can be done easily and cheaply by any one wanting to kill people from afar. The problem is the fuel to get it where you want it to go. Now I see why some peoples wish to stop him.
I have never seen so many people saying so much about a subject they really have no understanding or knowledge of.  It amazes me.

"The problem is the fuel to get it where you want it to go"

Do you even know what kind of fuel a pulse-jet uses?

It uses just about anything that is a gas or liquid and can burn.

So that's gasoline, diesel, jet-fuel, kerosene, cooking oil, propane, and a raft of other substances.

So where's the problem you talk about?

I haven't heard of any of those substances being a "problem" to get ahold of.

Once again I urge you people to actually go do some real learning about *real* science rather than all this pseudo-science cult-like BS and talk of "conspiracies" and "murders" that proliferates around here.

Come on people - it's not that hard but it does require effort and discipline. 

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Offline IronHead

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2008, 12:13:42 AM »
discipline to never look outside of the dogma we call science today!

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2008, 12:13:42 AM »
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Offline HeairBear

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2008, 12:15:25 AM »
The problem? The price or cost of the substance.

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2008, 12:24:43 AM »
As much as i have tried to not reply I have a few quesdtions:

What makes Tesla, Einstein etc the know alls?? Why is it assumed they are correct forever??

Why have a contest if you know you are right??

After 30 years of automotive repair I would like jet to explain to me why running lean will destroy an engine?? An engine can be made to run lean just fine. Yes lean can hurt engines in very lean conditions. But as long as exhaust gas temperatures are checked there is no room for concern. Running rich can astually be more harmful. Excess gasoline is allowed to go into the crankaces diluting the oil. I have seen many more engines die from rich conditions than lean.

It is not illegal in minnestoa to tamper with o2 sensors, just the catylitic converters

I have a 4x4 with 4 kasey daylighters each pulling 10 amps, you tell me why when i drive at night with them on for extended periods (due to dear) the gas mileage does not go down??

k im done now

thanks

Park

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2008, 12:24:43 AM »
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Offline xjet

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2008, 12:48:37 AM »
As much as i have tried to not reply I have a few quesdtions:

What makes Tesla, Einstein etc the know alls?? Why is it assumed they are correct forever??
Well maybe it's stories like this that keep appearing regularly in established scientific journals.  Every time we test Einsteins theories, they seem to be proven stunningly accurate.

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Why have a contest if you know you are right??
Because no matter what science I use to back up my claims and no matter what tests I run myself, there will always be those (typically scammers) who'll claim I'm wrong -- producing their own pseudo-scientific ramblings and claims that my tests were somehow flawed.

So, the only way to prove beyond doubt for all concerned is to let those who make the claims prove them in an independent and carefully monitored challenge.

If they are able to do what they claim under close scrutiny then I'm wrong, they're right and they're also a lot richer.

If they are unable to do what they claim then everyone has to admit that I (and the rest of conventional science) was right and that those making the claims were at best "wrong" and at worst, simply trying to scam honest folks out of their hard-earned cash.

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After 30 years of automotive repair I would like jet to explain to me why running lean will destroy an engine?? An engine can be made to run lean just fine. Yes lean can hurt engines in very lean conditions. But as long as exhaust gas temperatures are checked there is no room for concern.
Lean-running produces excessive NOx levels (which can produce premature catalytic converter failure) and excessively lean running (of the kind required to get a 25% fuel-saving) will produce burnt valves/seats and promote detonation that can cause piston failure.  But you know that already.

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Running rich can astually be more harmful. Excess gasoline is allowed to go into the crankaces diluting the oil. I have seen many more engines die from rich conditions than lean.
So long as an engine is allowed to reach its full operating temperature, rich-running will not cause any measurable contamination of sump-oil because an fuel that does manage to make it into the oil will be vaporized almost immediately at those temps.

What is more likely to cause problems is a lot of very short runs in a cold enviroment.  Even in a well-tuned car, the engine's ECU will cause a rich-run at start-up when cold and if the engine temperature never rises high enough, that contamination can accumulate.  But you know that already.

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It is not illegal in minnestoa to tamper with o2 sensors, just the catylitic converters
And it's not illegal here either.

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I have a 4x4 with 4 kasey daylighters each pulling 10 amps, you tell me why when i drive at night with them on for extended periods (due to dear) the gas mileage does not go down??
Because the vast majority of the energy your engine generates goes into overcoming aerodynamic drag, internalf friction and rolling resistance.  40A at 12V is just 480W - or 0.643HP.  That's not going to have a big effect on your MPG.

Offline Park34

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2008, 12:57:36 AM »
agreed on most parts:

I live in minnesota and im sorry but the exxsesive fuel does not always get vaporized, i have seen cars running rough have over 2 quarts of gas in the oil, most after and oil change begin to knock and are toast. I used to have a 7 gas analyzer at my shop, we dont have smog tests here for years now so i got rid of it. But i am not convined on your excess nox emissions running lean. I would anticipate a rich bad burn to increase that. And from my gm training i would have to disagree with a lean car injuring the converters. I have had to replace converters that have lit on fire due to excessive rich conditions due to bad o2 sensors. The converter can only burn up so much excess fuel. But i know u know most of these things. I am not here to fight about it. I am trying one out yeah. Why due to curiosity mainly. And i have the equipment at hand to do most testing adn even ECM reprogramming if nessecary. Your veiws are not incorrect to where you are coming from and i dont have the knowledge to debunt you. I am not einstein etc. But i do feel that if they could have all lived longer we wold have greater things. I have found in my life there is always something new to be discovered.

The only complaint i have is taht most assume HHO is overunity. I have to disagree with them. Yes u are using the enigne to produce the power. And i realize you cant get more out than u put in. But i do ask this:

if the spark from the engine ignites the gasoline, am i correct to assume that the energy of the spark IE 45000 volts times 2-3 amps if i rememebr correctly is more than the horspower created??

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2008, 12:57:36 AM »
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Offline maxc

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2008, 01:22:40 AM »
Every fuel system programmer knows you can "program the ECM" too get 20% better mileage and still pass emissions test.
My system can rapidly condense the exhaust. Separate the good stuff. Then polarize "it" energize "it" shoot it back into the engine.
Is it in the rules you have to use the alt for powering the HHO production or what ever? ;)

Offline utilitarian

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2008, 02:30:07 AM »
Every fuel system programmer knows you can "program the ECM" too get 20% better mileage and still pass emissions test.
My system can rapidly condense the exhaust. Separate the good stuff. Then polarize "it" energize "it" shoot it back into the engine.
Is it in the rules you have to use the alt for powering the HHO production or what ever? ;)

If you can prove this, you do not need the million dollar prize.  The working solution is worth many times more than that.  Now, can you prove it beyond mere hearsay?

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2008, 02:30:07 AM »
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Offline maxc

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2008, 05:15:48 AM »
The proper type and amount of water will speed up the CO oxidation. http://www.not2fast.com/NACA/naca-report-426.pdf
Because of the way THEY did the test no increase in power.You only need to almost turn the water to HHO to increase power and mileage. If I remember right they used superheated steam in there test?
 My pdf reader is not working right now.

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Offline retrodynamic

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2008, 03:28:13 PM »

-When you think about the Hydrogen as a combustion, you dont think in another option.
-If you compare the hydrogen, with the gasoline. What is the octane than the hydrogen cut have, just to put a number, just to put a level, to compare.
-And to squezze the hydrogen from water, all the factors are valid, ike; electricity, temperature, compression, or emptiness, esteam, etc... To breake the HH union O. :)


Offline nutsNbolts

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2008, 06:51:42 PM »
I'm the guy who posted the HHO Scam video to YouTube (I'm sure most of you have already seen it).

This posting is just to let you know that I've organized a one million dollar prize for the first person who can use one of these HHO setups to consistently produce an improvement in fuel efficiency of 25% or more without causing engine damage.

The details are on the website referred to in the video.

It is now time for those who are making such bold claims to step up to the base and play ball!


Ello xjet and everyone else on these boards.  I have been a frequent guest here for a few months and this thread prompted me to register.  Some interesting stuff here worthy of big money scientific development / testing.  Equally some wacky stuff and colourfull charactors to add flavour to the boards.

Firstly I haven't seen the video or rules mentioned in quotes above but I have read the whole thread.  Sorry xjet but you don't come across with any conviction.  You say there's a prize but the rules in thread don't meet your own criteria for scientific evaluation.  At best you come across as being contrary in a forum of your disliking and at worst, scamming free motoring...all expenses paid.

For me or anyone else to believe in your offer there would be Monies in a trust account up front for all to see.  So everyone knows you mean business and not being contrary just because your bored.  The test should be static so's theirs no ambiguity or corruption of data.  Don't see why you need to drive these things.  To many variables that could influence the final analysis let alone possible abuse.  Why not simply bench test on new modern engines straight from the factory.  Use a company like MIRA (google it) for unbiased testing and analysis of components afterwards.

Me...I'm skint but a 15 quid local advert would get me a 2,500 quid investor for a share of 470.000 quid (sorry no Stirling Pound sign on this bloody key board).  I believe 25% if not more MPG increase is possible but I don't have enough data on engine wear so that would be my calculated gamble.  I don't think it would be detrimental given the information I've read on the net.

To finish....wouldn't you agree a better bang would increase your idea of thermodynamics

Kind regards
Steve

Offline icanbeatbob

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Re: The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched
« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2008, 12:15:45 AM »
@nutsNbolts,

I agree. Something is not right here. I threw out the question to xjet of why these investors don't believe him and are putting up money when he says he has %100 scientific proof that it doesn't work. If these guys don't believe him, why should we? It looks as though he has a different agenda.

If xjet wanted to prove to the world that all of these HHO systems are scams, which sounds as though some may be by their extraordinary claims, he would do it differently. He seems to have an absolute negative attitude which probably makes him bias.


Brad

 

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