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Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !  (Read 238296 times)

Butch LaFonte

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All aspects verified, videos, Ring Force Cancellation Perpendicular Magnetics
« Reply #510 on: March 18, 2009, 11:10:25 PM »
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Re: All aspects verified, videos, Ring Force Cancellation Perpendicular Magnetics
« Reply #511 on: March 20, 2009, 09:26:00 PM »
Quote from: Butch LaFonte on March 18, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
Listed below are links to videos that show testing of the 3 aspects that should allow the LaFonte Group, Ring Force Cancellation Perpendicular Magnetics Motor to operate in an overunity mode.
See video links >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngkEkeBL1Kk&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mlpr6o86X0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxbOQ3nM8w&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btjit4WnH_c&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552L2-jG9P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYdd8hu8YNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwzKg1tiexs

Mr. LaFonte,

I know that in order to get recognition from the OU community you need to demonstrate OU beyond
doubt and that is (probably) why you are giving all your attention to a design that uses PM's which is
a no mans land as in all history noone was able to conquer. (I know some of the high ranked members
will jump on me for saying that and throw some names on me. My response is : Hey, what is running
in your cars guys?)

I read the thread from the beginning and I am stuck in the first movies you made
and refferred to on page 2 (I think). (Names are 1-10-99.avi, 1-7-08.avi etc.)
You animated some designs using coils.

If the forces you talk about exist (I think you mentioned 300 pounds using 7 blocks of 4X4X3''steel)
why don't you try to make a very efficient motor using coils first? (Even if its not OU or can't prove that its
OU)

Burning a few watts of electric sure beats burning gallons of gas.

Piece,

Devrim

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Re: All aspects verified, videos, Ring Force Cancellation Perpendicular Magnetics
« Reply #512 on: March 23, 2009, 02:22:11 PM »
Where is everyone?
Are you all busy replicating the Mylow (Newman) motor?
« Last Edit: March 23, 2009, 04:27:47 PM by devrimogun »
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Blainiac

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #513 on: March 23, 2009, 04:53:14 PM »
@devrimogun:

I have no idea, but I think I might have a solution for Yucca's design.  It is almost exactly like his, but there is a ring (or rings) of steel that completes the rest of the circle where the piston isn't.  This way, there is equal attraction between the angles where the ring is and where the piston part is, causing the magnet to glide by and easily skipping past.  The only thing I see wrong with this is that the added area of steel perpendicular to the magnets may cause Lenz law to be more present, keeping the gliding effect at a minimum...

Attached is a picture:

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derricka

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #514 on: March 23, 2009, 08:33:08 PM »
I like the creative approach of this ring design. No doubt it will take very creative methods to tap into new sources of energy, as all the obvious means have been tried already. I have built some test rigs with separated rectangles of transformer lamination steel, similar to your piston.  I have found the rotational forces (through a magnetic field) vary considerably, depending on the degree of compression on the "piston".  You may have more luck with your ring design, especially if the ring also changes, to match the change in piston geometry.
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #515 on: March 23, 2009, 08:43:39 PM »
@Derricka:

Thanks, and I know what you mean about obvious means being tried...  I didn't know about the rotation varying with the spread of the 'piston', and I understand what you mean about changing the ring with the changes in the piston.  I am just hoping that having the magnets pulled to a constant presence of steel, instead of wanting to pull towards a group of plates and not wanting to slip by, will eliminate the effects.  I think there were some linear magnet tests to confirm this, but I'm not sure...  Do you have any pictures or video of your design?  I'm always intrigued by others designs!

Blain
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #516 on: March 24, 2009, 07:44:02 AM »
Hi Blainiac,

I disassembled my original "plate" setup months ago, in order to do other experiments, but I still had the transformer laminations (on two carbon fiber rods), and the rotor.
Originally, I had two magnet horsehoes mounted to the rotor, and the laminations were fixed onto the support at the back of the base. I took a photo of the remaining items for you.
The rotor is a 17cm diameter Acrylic disc mounted onto a hard drive bearing.
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #517 on: March 24, 2009, 08:10:26 AM »
Awesome work Derricka!  I think I may use similar materials when I build my project.  When you were running tests, you mentioned how at different compression states the rotor would have altered force acting upon the rotation?  I think Mr. La Fonte taped a similar phenomenon, and something with the airgap between the plates to change the rotation...

I'm not sure.  If it was part of your testing, was it more difficult for the rotor to pass when they were compressed or expanded?  Did you try differing numbers of plates stacked?  What happened when you let the rotor go?  Did it make many revolutions, if any?

I'm going to invest in a similar setup and see where it goes!  Sorry for bugging you as well!   ;)  Thanks for posting the picture and some specifications!
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #518 on: March 24, 2009, 09:09:46 AM »
When separated, the plates experience noticeably more force towards the gap between the magnet poles, and it takes noticeably more force for them to leave separated.  I tried using the rotational energy of the rotor to collapse the plates (with a cam) before exit, but the forces canceled out enough, that I didn't see any gain from this setup. With a spring pushing plates together, spinning the rotor became very noisy, the plates slammed apart entering the magnetic field, making a "Chak Chak Chak" kind of sound. A fast spin with the hand gave it only about 10-15 revolutions.
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Butch LaFonte

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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #519 on: March 24, 2009, 04:33:12 PM »
Quote from: derricka on March 24, 2009, 09:09:46 AM
When separated, the plates experience noticeably more force towards the gap between the magnet poles, and it takes noticeably more force for them to leave separated.  I tried using the rotational energy of the rotor to collapse the plates (with a cam) before exit, but the forces canceled out enough, that I didn't see any gain from this setup. With a spring pushing plates together, spinning the rotor became very noisy, the plates slammed apart entering the magnetic field, making a "Chak Chak Chak" kind of sound. A fast spin with the hand gave it only about 10-15 revolutions.

Derricka,
Have you noticed that when you close the air gap between the plates and the magnet poles to a point where they are in near contact that there is no force required to bring the plates back together?
Butch
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New animation, LaFonte Rotary Moving Ring Perpendicular Magnetics Motor
« Reply #520 on: March 24, 2009, 09:36:15 PM »
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #521 on: March 25, 2009, 09:52:48 AM »
this is the first time ive checked out this thread and now im really curious to see if anyone has actually tried building one


no magnets or washers in my dorm for myself...a shame

until next time
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Butch LaFonte

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You will really like this one
« Reply #522 on: March 25, 2009, 04:44:02 PM »
I ran a test in my office last night almost tearing the office up in the process, but I had interesting results and I have an animation coming that you will really be interested in I feel.
The tests showed that the two magnets in close hard repulsion are stronger in attracting a ferro-magnetic plate than when they are spaced apart from each other.
I did some thinking and I will post the animation as soon as Roger can complete it.
You will really like this.
Butch LaFonte
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New LaFonte Group Variable Ring Gap Rotary Magnet Motor, 3D animation
« Reply #523 on: March 25, 2009, 08:08:40 PM »
I did away with the repulsion element of the old design and made a new entity that is all attraction and super simple in it's operation. It uses a version of our Pseudo Solid technology as well as our Magnetic Force Cancellation technology and Multi-fieldpath technology that allows it to create extremely high torque. As many as 16 or more NIB rotor magnets can be utilized on the rotor.
See this link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbK9Di4Oebs
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Re: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !
« Reply #524 on: March 25, 2009, 11:03:01 PM »
How did you do the 3 D animation?
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