Author Topic: Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this ! (Read 238326 times)

Butch LaFonte · « **Reply #435 on:** January 25, 2009, 06:28:28 AM »

SoeN,
I must admit, you do have a point there.
Butch Lafonte

Mr. M · « **Reply #436 on:** January 27, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »

Quote from: spinner on January 24, 2009, 12:51:47 PM

(Whisper:) If I were you, I would not questioned someone else's intelligence.... It can "backfire" at you, Oh, great Teacher!

Yup! It can, it has and I've highlighted it for you.

You're also incapable of wielding the ellipsis, leave it alone... It's not for noobs.

spikey · « **Reply #437 on:** February 12, 2009, 03:16:19 PM »

Thanks for the info Butch, it's appreciated!

Do not allow a few greedy, selfish people, with backwards attitudes ruin your attempts to share your discoveries and research data.

ANYONE who applies for a patent in this field, especially given what we know about the state of our planet and the idiots who control it, and consequently us - is both asking for trouble (you can guess what i mean by that) and incredibly selfish and short sighted.

'Patented' alternative energy devices don't make it to maket - full stop.
Open source is different - look at all the info and resources surrounding HHO and GEET at the moment.

It's time to stop thinking in terms of 'How much money can i make out of this' and more of 'How much can we benefit from this as a species'.
Actually, the time for this kind of thinking was about 50 or 60 years ago, but better to be late than never to arrive at all eh?

Ignore the creeps and idiots who do you a disservice, and focus more on the people, such as myself who both value and respect your efforts in this area.

Bottom line is this If you sell or patent 'free energy technology', the world will never see, hear, or use it..If you open source the technology - the 'die hard' money lovers will still try to rip you off, BUT the ideas (which cannot to stopped) will be out there, in the world, amongst like minded people to collaborate on, which hopefully lead to real world applications and technologies for the betterment of all.

Keep on keeping on Butch, your doing a grand job.

Spikey.

Butch LaFonte · « **Reply #438 on:** February 12, 2009, 07:11:43 PM »

Quote from: spikey on February 12, 2009, 03:16:19 PM

Thanks for the info Butch, it's appreciated!

Do not allow a few greedy, selfish people, with backwards attitudes ruin your attempts to share your discoveries and research data.

ANYONE who applies for a patent in this field, especially given what we know about the state of our planet and the idiots who control it, and consequently us - is both asking for trouble (you can guess what i mean by that) and incredibly selfish and short sighted.

'Patented' alternative energy devices don't make it to maket - full stop.
Open source is different - look at all the info and resources surrounding HHO and GEET at the moment.

It's time to stop thinking in terms of 'How much money can i make out of this' and more of 'How much can we benefit from this as a species'.
Actually, the time for this kind of thinking was about 50 or 60 years ago, but better to be late than never to arrive at all eh?

Ignore the creeps and idiots who do you a disservice, and focus more on the people, such as myself who both value and respect your efforts in this area.

Bottom line is this If you sell or patent 'free energy technology', the world will never see, hear, or use it..If you open source the technology - the 'die hard' money lovers will still try to rip you off, BUT the ideas (which cannot to stopped) will be out there, in the world, amongst like minded people to collaborate on, which hopefully lead to real world applications and technologies for the betterment of all.

Keep on keeping on Butch, your doing a grand job.

Spikey.

Spikey,
I don't mind the negative comments. The way I see it is there are two ways to go through life, as a spectator or in the arena. I knew when I chose the arena that there would be trash thrown at me. But that beats being a spectator any day.
Thanks for the support,
Butch

newton2 · « **Reply #439 on:** February 13, 2009, 01:11:44 PM »

Hello Honoured Profiles and The Honoured Administrator of this the Honourable OU-Forum !
And my especial Hello to the 2 Honoured Profiles : Butch LaFonte , Spikey about Their very recent
Replies of this continued going on Topics-Ideas-Discussion !

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The suggested Idea of the original Topic (P 1) HAS to be evaluated through-out !
Allthough the H-Magnetical "Force-Field/Force-Action" in Elder Magneto-Statics has been
stated as : NON-Conservative ,
THÃ‰N indeed it STILL is possible to "choose" surden Technical Layouts , inwhere the H-Magnetical "Force" might in total function somehow like "Conservative"....==>>
THÃ‰N nearly "nil" of OU /"out-cancelling" OU !!

The suggested original TopicÂ´s Idea IS in Principle a possible OU-method to "gain" perhaps at "most" : 1-2 procents of OU when at "best" adjusted;
though the Idea INVOLVES a most delicate Technical Layout to should "adjust" per cut&try and similar emperically done layouts-alterings.......and also is MOST dependent on mu-r-materialsÂ´s H-magnetical-Properties......................
about the recent few explanative Sentences to say :
if when ALL Functionings should be with Magneto-Statical-Mechanics Actions ,
if when NOT then to should involve Electro-Magnetical-Coils !
(By Magneto-Statics just meant somehow like Electro-Statics , though dynamical Mechanical Movements of course can be.....) !

The suggested Idea I self have evaluated about some Y-Decades ago , though that past Time ago then evaluated as related to quite otherwise evaluations about electromagnetical Coil acting to 2 pcs nearby-to-each-others placed/being mu-r-rods........
(my original evaluations though were about "some" else related to mu-r-rods interacting to exterior H-fields , to say : about some quite otherwise Circumstances of otherwise OU-Ideas than the suggested Idea in the Original Discussions-Topic)

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Might I kindly hint about : the Classical MechanicsÂ´s socalled "3-mutually-Forces-interacting-Bodies"-Problem , THOUGH if when as about H-Magnetical Objects........!!
, or THOUGH if when as Electro-Statical-Objects...........!!
FOR EVALUATIONS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SIGNS AND POLARITIES ALSO HAVE TO BE , etc , compared to the Original Classical 3-Bodies-MASSES (one Signs)-Problem ; INVOLVED Maths-Complexities and Types of Functions , etc !

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THERE IS A SOCALLED NEARLY PENDANT PER ELECTRO-STATICS TO THE ORIGINAL TOPICÂ´s
SUGGESTED IDEA (of : using 2 pcs mu-r-rods in an exterior H-field) !!

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and fruitfull Results of Your idealisical important OU-Researches !
My kind Thanks to the many OU-Researchers and Researchers else in Alternative Physics and similar important knowledges-improving Matters !

Might I kindly praise the Course of OU !!

spinner · « **Reply #440 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:25:01 PM »

Quote from: Butch LaFonte on February 12, 2009, 07:11:43 PM

Spikey,
I don't mind the negative comments. The way I see it is there are two ways to go through life, as a spectator or in the arena. I knew when I chose the arena that there would be trash thrown at me. But that beats being a spectator any day.
Thanks for the support,
Butch

Hi, Butch!
Yes, It seems to me that you're really enjoying the "arena", the atmosphere... But how about the performance, the quality?
The spot lights are doing no good to you.... After years of pompous claims, still nothing?

You can fool newbies anytime, but it's up to you to decide what you really want..
Sorry for my critique. I promise I'll not interfere with your posts again.
Good Luck!

newton2 · « **Reply #441 on:** February 14, 2009, 01:52:18 PM »

To The Honoured Anonymous Readers , to The Honoured Profiles and to The Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum :

Have All Yourselves a HAPPY VALENTINES DAY !

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and Weekend !

And STAY FIRM for THe Honourable Course of OU , for OU has to come for Common Uses !

DallasGoldBug · « **Reply #442 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:45:02 PM »

Sorry if Im repeating someones post forgive me, I haven't viewed all the pages to the post.

But what people are forgetting about these magnet motors is the fact the Neo Magnets do not last very long when acted upon by other magnets. You also have to remember the amount of energy that went into creating those magnets. There is no such thing as perpetual motion, at least on this planet due to friction, gravity, and due to ALL things decay over time. These inventions that use magnets must be looked at from a broader perspective and take into consideration the degradation of the magnet over time and during load.

Just my personal thoughts.
I'll go back under my rock.

DallasGoldBug

newton2 · « **Reply #443 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:16:26 PM »

Hello Honoured Profiles and the Honoured Administrator of This The Honourable OU-Forum !
And my especial Hello and Thanks to The Honoured ProfileÂ´s : DallasGoldE recent strict Reply as evaluating to circumstances of i.e. Manufacturing-Energy-Expenses of Permanent Magnetes.....etc !

YES......to would attempt to construct surden Mechanically performing OU-"Self-Runners" per
Theses of Elder Magneto-Statics are a "TOUGH" Problem to should "handle"/these/experiment about

Somehow a socalled All-Mechanical "Self-Runner"-OU per Classical MechanicsÂ´s "Force/Masses"-movements thesed Maths-Relations
is some "easier" to should attempt to "construct".....than by "using" surden H-magnetical-Parts.........!!

WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and a profitable Y 2009 , in-during the OU per a Common-Uses-Layout has to be announced..........
thanks about Your All idealistical Participations to THE HONOURABLE COURSE OF OU !!

Charlie_V · « **Reply #444 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:47:04 PM »

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But what people are forgetting about these magnet motors is the fact the Neo Magnets do not last very long when acted upon by other magnets.

This is an untrue statement. Neodymium magnets last a very long time as long as they are exposed to a flux equal to or lower than their own. These magnets portray a very strong coercive force that makes demagnetization more difficult. However, all magnets may be degaussed over time due to thermal noise and of course if placed in regions of fields higher than their own. On that note however, how many B fields are you going to find that are higher than 1.5 Tesla? Haha not many! Extreme vibrations may also damage their field intensity (this is mainly because it increases thermal noise of their environment).

broli · « **Reply #445 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:21:35 PM »

DallasGoldBug, DC motors use permanent magnets to spin. Now these magnets are constantly counteracted by the spinning loops of wires who create opposite poles. So how come is it that 50 year old dc motors still run fine and dandy as long as the bearings are intact. Your point is completely useless and it's obvious you're not looking to contribute to this community, so why exactly are you here? Maybe to spread your disinfo crap, hmmmm?

DallasGoldBug · « **Reply #446 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:45:12 PM »

Do your homework on who your talking to before you look foolish.

As for magnet motors are one thing, you are powering them with ELECTRICITY. Overunity claims via magnet powered devices are yet to be confirmed.

DallasGoldBug

Paul-R · « **Reply #447 on:** February 16, 2009, 04:34:47 PM »

Quote from: DallasGoldBug on February 16, 2009, 03:45:12 PM

Do your homework on who your talking to before you look foolish.
Overunity claims via magnet powered devices are yet to be confirmed.
DallasGoldBug

Build a Bedini SG, DallasGoldBug, if you can face proving yourself wrong.

Charlie_V · « **Reply #448 on:** February 16, 2009, 04:40:03 PM »

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As for magnet motors are one thing, you are powering them with ELECTRICITY. Overunity claims via magnet powered devices are yet to be confirmed.

That is a mostly true statement. The coils energized in a motor produce a magnetic field that opposes and attracts the field windings (which in some cases ARE permanent magnets). The reason these do not demagnetize is that the field produced from the coil is not stronger than the PM. HOWEVER, there are instances of over driven motors where the flux of the coil exceeds the magnet and does cause degaussing - along with other really bad things, this usually is uncommon.

I agree with the second statement, a fully magnet powered device has yet to be confirmed - but I wouldn't rule anything out.

broli · « **Reply #449 on:** February 16, 2009, 05:24:50 PM »

His statement is useless as the fully magnetic motor could also rely on attraction and never have magnets repel. Like I said before...what exactly are you doing on this forum? If you like to act educated go to physicsforum.org, You'll love how fast they close a thread about free energy and how you and them think soooo much a like. On this forum there's no place for your kind of arrogance.

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